Malcolm Kelly Observation

[frankcal20]

Something I noticed last week and even more this week. When Kelly is in the game, the defenses cover him with their #2 CB and then also have a safety in the immediate area. I think that teams are somewhat afraid of what he can do. Now that's a good sign for us in the future once we are able to give Jason time enough to get the ball to him.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Something I noticed last week and even more this week. When Kelly is in the game, the defenses cover him with their #2 CB and then also have a safety in the immediate area. I think that teams are somewhat afraid of what he can do. Now that's a good sign for us in the future once we are able to give Jason time enough to get the ball to him.

They'll stop giving him respect if he continues to drop passes.

[BurgundyandGoldfaith]

I think Thomas has an impressive upside too. I've noticed that Kelley does seem to demand attention, but Thomas fights for everything. Last night, either Betts or CP was running around the left side and Thomas was a foot behind the most likely tackler and he put his hands up rather than try a tackle resulting in a hold. He's got just one year of college under his belt as a junior and the greatest upside to all of the 2nd rounder is age. Kelley and Thomas are listed at 21 years of age, and sleepy is 22. These could pan out to long careers that enable the team to shop around in other areas in the future.

[BnGhog]

Something I noticed last week and even more this week. When Kelly is in the game, the defenses cover him with their #2 CB and then also have a safety in the immediate area. I think that teams are somewhat afraid of what he can do. Now that's a good sign for us in the future once we are able to give Jason time enough to get the ball to him.

Yeah I noticed that.

Whenever he is in the game, ARE is able to get open.

Why don't we see them both in the game more?????

I think Thomas is both faster and stronger than ARE. If it were Moss, Kelly and Thomas. I actually think Thomas would have a better shot as getting YAC than ARE.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Something I noticed last week and even more this week. When Kelly is in the game, the defenses cover him with their #2 CB and then also have a safety in the immediate area. I think that teams are somewhat afraid of what he can do. Now that's a good sign for us in the future once we are able to give Jason time enough to get the ball to him.

Yeah I noticed that.

Whenever he is in the game, ARE is able to get open.

Why don't we see them both in the game more?????

I think Thomas is both faster and stronger than ARE. If it were Moss, Kelly and Thomas. I actually think Thomas would have a better shot as getting YAC than ARE.

I think it's a "respect" thing. Zorn doesn't want to cause a lockeroom issue with benching a big name vet for a rookie... At least not yet.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Something I noticed last week and even more this week. When Kelly is in the game, the defenses cover him with their #2 CB and then also have a safety in the immediate area. I think that teams are somewhat afraid of what he can do. Now that's a good sign for us in the future once we are able to give Jason time enough to get the ball to him.

Yeah I noticed that.

Whenever he is in the game, ARE is able to get open.

Why don't we see them both in the game more?????

I think Thomas is both faster and stronger than ARE. If it were Moss, Kelly and Thomas. I actually think Thomas would have a better shot as getting YAC than ARE.

I think it's a "respect" thing. Zorn doesn't want to cause a lockeroom issue with benching a big name vet for a rookie... At least not yet.

There would be no reason to do that anyway. He can play Kelly as much as he's ready to play anyway without "starting" him and let Kelly earn it.

[Chris Luva Luva]

There would be no reason to do that anyway. He can play Kelly as much as he's ready to play anyway without "starting" him and let Kelly earn it.

I can comprehend earning time when the players ahead of you are better. I'm starting to question exactly who is better at this point and clearly defenses are hinting towards who are good players are in how they cover certain people.

[ChocolateMilk]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

[HEROHAMO]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

Yeah!

Pissed me off that Campbell does not throw the ball to the rookies often enough!

[Wahoo McDaniels]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

You mean drop it, just like he's done the past 3 times the ball was thrown at him. We trusted him once last week on a critical 3rd down and he dropped a ball that hit him in the chest. Why would we do it again?

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

He needs to gain trust, then we throw the ball to him in critical situations. He hasn't done that. Pretty soon, he lands on the inactives with Fred Davis.

[VetSkinsFan]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

You mean drop it, just like he's done the past 3 times the ball was thrown at him. We trusted him once last week on a critical 3rd down and he dropped a ball that hit him in the chest. Why would we do it again?

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

He needs to gain trust, then we throw the ball to him in critical situations. He hasn't done that. Pretty soon, he lands on the inactives with Fred Davis.

Yeah, because 1 mistake from a rook should get him run out of the league. Everyone, and I mean everyone has dropped critical balls these past two years. Just b/c he's a rook, he has a different set of standards?

[KazooSkinsFan]

There would be no reason to do that anyway. He can play Kelly as much as he's ready to play anyway without "starting" him and let Kelly earn it.

I can comprehend earning time when the players ahead of you are better. I'm starting to question exactly who is better at this point and clearly defenses are hinting towards who are good players are in how they cover certain people.

I'm not sure we're disagreeing on anything exactly. I am totally with you if Kelly's ready to go then I'd be playing him a lot more. I agree particularly because he adds a dimension our other receivers don't have. I guess the only part I don't see is what it has to do with ARE. While ARE has done little to hold onto the "official" #2 position (i.e., starting) so far butter finger Kelly hasn't given a reason to take the first play away from him either. But the rest of the 60 minutes they rotate receivers in and out so much I don't see an issue where ARE "starting" makes any difference at all to giving Kelly the chance to play and eventually take the "title" of #2 away if he should.

[Chris Luva Luva]

There would be no reason to do that anyway. He can play Kelly as much as he's ready to play anyway without "starting" him and let Kelly earn it.

I can comprehend earning time when the players ahead of you are better. I'm starting to question exactly who is better at this point and clearly defenses are hinting towards who are good players are in how they cover certain people.

I'm not sure we're disagreeing on anything exactly. I am totally with you if Kelly's ready to go then I'd be playing him a lot more. I agree particularly because he adds a dimension our other receivers don't have. I guess the only part I don't see is what it has to do with ARE. While ARE has done little to hold onto the "official" #2 position (i.e., starting) so far butter finger Kelly hasn't given a reason to take the first play away from him either. But the rest of the 60 minutes they rotate receivers in and out so much I don't see an issue where ARE "starting" makes any difference at all to giving Kelly the chance to play and eventually take the "title" of #2 away if he should.

So basically they're both sucking and neither has done much to solidify either of their positions? LOL I guess you're right though.

[KazooSkinsFan]

There would be no reason to do that anyway. He can play Kelly as much as he's ready to play anyway without "starting" him and let Kelly earn it.

I can comprehend earning time when the players ahead of you are better. I'm starting to question exactly who is better at this point and clearly defenses are hinting towards who are good players are in how they cover certain people.

I'm not sure we're disagreeing on anything exactly. I am totally with you if Kelly's ready to go then I'd be playing him a lot more. I agree particularly because he adds a dimension our other receivers don't have. I guess the only part I don't see is what it has to do with ARE. While ARE has done little to hold onto the "official" #2 position (i.e., starting) so far butter finger Kelly hasn't given a reason to take the first play away from him either. But the rest of the 60 minutes they rotate receivers in and out so much I don't see an issue where ARE "starting" makes any difference at all to giving Kelly the chance to play and eventually take the "title" of #2 away if he should.

So basically they're both sucking and neither has done much to solidify either of their positions? LOL I guess you're right though.

So far. Hopefully Kelly will change that. I think coming in off the bench is a better way for him to focus on his routes and holding onto the ball rather then the spotlight of putting him in to replace ARE by declaring him the "starter" when he's clearly not ready based on his Rogers impersonations. At least Rogers isn't a WR.

[SKINFAN]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

Yeah!

Pissed me off that Campbell does not throw the ball to the rookies often enough!

He doesn't throw it often enough period, rooks or vets! He's too busy running for his life.

[TeeterSalad]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

You mean drop it, just like he's done the past 3 times the ball was thrown at him. We trusted him once last week on a critical 3rd down and he dropped a ball that hit him in the chest. Why would we do it again?

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

He needs to gain trust, then we throw the ball to him in critical situations. He hasn't done that. Pretty soon, he lands on the inactives with Fred Davis.

The man dropped his first 3 passes thrown to him in the NFL. He is absolutely no good, his career is over...

...and what is up with the Albert Einstein insanity definition, enough is enough I think we get it.

[SkinsFreak]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

You mean drop it, just like he's done the past 3 times the ball was thrown at him. We trusted him once last week on a critical 3rd down and he dropped a ball that hit him in the chest. Why would we do it again?

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

He needs to gain trust, then we throw the ball to him in critical situations. He hasn't done that. Pretty soon, he lands on the inactives with Fred Davis.

The man dropped his first 3 passes thrown to him in the NFL. He is absolutely no good, his career is over...

Exactly. I'm not all that concerned about a few dropped passes by Kelly, maybe it was just nerves or rookie butterflies. But, of all Kelly's abilities, he is known for having great hands...

Compares To: LARRY FITZGERALD-Arizona...Like Fitzgerald, Kelly takes advantage of his size and strength to break arm tackles rather than trying to get fancy with moves when trying to separate. Both have some of the best natural hands in the game, as Kelly was charted with only one dropped pass in the last two years.

[Chris Luva Luva]

The man dropped his first 3 passes thrown to him in the NFL. He is absolutely no good, his career is over...

Regardless, it's scary. I'm have Michael Westbrook flashbacks and Carlos Rogers convulsions as we speak.

Carlos Kelly better learn how to catch and soon. Hey, all he has to do is do it...and people will shut up. It's that simple.

[Wahoo McDaniels]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

You mean drop it, just like he's done the past 3 times the ball was thrown at him. We trusted him once last week on a critical 3rd down and he dropped a ball that hit him in the chest. Why would we do it again?

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

He needs to gain trust, then we throw the ball to him in critical situations. He hasn't done that. Pretty soon, he lands on the inactives with Fred Davis.

Yeah, because 1 mistake from a rook should get him run out of the league. Everyone, and I mean everyone has dropped critical balls these past two years. Just b/c he's a rook, he has a different set of standards?

One mistake...I agree with you. But the last 3 balls that were thrown at him he dropped. Plain and simple. Does this get him bounced. No. But it earns him a spot in snazzy Redskins sweat gear next to Fred Davis on the Inactive List until he can gain trust back.

[VetSkinsFan]

when we were in the redzone, i was dieing for Campbell to just throw it up to Kelly. take a 3 step drop and just throw it high into the endzone for Kelly to jump up and grab it.

You mean drop it, just like he's done the past 3 times the ball was thrown at him. We trusted him once last week on a critical 3rd down and he dropped a ball that hit him in the chest. Why would we do it again?

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

He needs to gain trust, then we throw the ball to him in critical situations. He hasn't done that. Pretty soon, he lands on the inactives with Fred Davis.

Yeah, because 1 mistake from a rook should get him run out of the league. Everyone, and I mean everyone has dropped critical balls these past two years. Just b/c he's a rook, he has a different set of standards?

One mistake...I agree with you. But the last 3 balls that were thrown at him he dropped. Plain and simple. Does this get him bounced. No. But it earns him a spot in snazzy Redskins sweat gear next to Fred Davis on the Inactive List until he can gain trust back.

There was one play that I saw in your example that I swore the defender was going to get ahold of. I've never played on the profressional level, but I can speculate that it's pretty tough to override your gut reaction, especially as a rook. I've can recall times that EVERYONE has dropped 3 balls in a row except maybe ey. Moss included. Were they sitting in sweats when they were needed? B/C in case you haven't noticed, we need these guys. 2 back, 2 WR sets aren't going to cut it in the WCO. And Thrash is hardly an option to lean on. That leaves these 'untrusted' rooks.

[KazooSkinsFan]

The man dropped his first 3 passes thrown to him in the NFL. He is absolutely no good, his career is over...

Exactly. I'm not all that concerned about a few dropped passes by Kelly, maybe it was just nerves or rookie butterflies. But, of all Kelly's abilities, he is known for having great hands...

I'm with you. All I was saying above is let's work him in and get him some experience before we put a "starter" spotlight on the kid. You guys aren't saying anything counter to that.

[BnGhog]

The man dropped his first 3 passes thrown to him in the NFL. He is absolutely no good, his career is over...

Exactly. I'm not all that concerned about a few dropped passes by Kelly, maybe it was just nerves or rookie butterflies. But, of all Kelly's abilities, he is known for having great hands...

I'm with you. All I was saying above is let's work him in and get him some experience before we put a "starter" spotlight on the kid. You guys aren't saying anything counter to that.

I'll counter.


If you look at the best of the best, big play WRs in the NFL you will find one thing in common. Besides things like quickness, size, route running etc...

That is drops. T.O., Edwards, Ocho they all drop passes. Especiall easy passes. The passes that are so easy, they think its too easy, and don't focus as much. But they make the big ones. One of Kelly's first passes, was a deep ball. I say that was nerves.

But if he is a player like the others in the NFL. You will have to trade serveral drops, for a couple of TDs.

AND IF thats the case, you will only see the payoff if he's getting a lot of playing time.

[welch]

Play Kelly more. Of course, we don't see the game films, and TV can't show who got open, who ran into coverage...anything except where the ball went.

Play MK and we'll know something by the end of the season.

For perspective: Charlie Taylor was a star from the beginning. No doubt. Monk got better as his first season went on.

So far, not so good for DT and MK.

Still, too soon to throw them out.

[SkinsFreak]

I'm actually very intrigued. The coaches and players have raved about what they've seen from Kelly so far, that's a fact. So as soon as Zorn feels comfortable in giving Kelly more action, I think, based on their own observations and comments, we'll see some nice things from Kelly.

Thomas now seems to be getting more involved and I like what I see. Even though his touches are still limited, his speed, size and physicality are visually evident. We knew from the pre-draft analysis of Thomas that he wouldn't be lighting it up in his first year, but I think he's going to be a good one. I'm also real anxious to see Fred Davis. It may not be this year, but I have no doubt he's going to be a contributor.

I know many wish we could've got these guys involved sooner, myself included, but I think patience is a true virtue in this case. These guys, and the team, will be better served in the long run by having our 2nd rounders learning first before getting thrown in the fire.

These guys are all gonna be big play-makers for us and will be very involved come next season. They'll have to, because we'll be using the draft and free agency to upgrade the lines.

[welch]

SkinsFreak said

I know many wish we could've got these guys involved sooner, myself included, but I think patience is a true virtue in this case. These guys, and the team, will be better served in the long run by having our 2nd rounders learning first before getting thrown in the fire.

I agree. I might have been over-subtle in mentioning Taylor and Monk, but those two are in the Hall of Fame, and Taylor is probably one of the four or five greatest WRs ever...and the others, like Jerry Rice, are about a half-notch below Taylor.

(It's fun to have an excuse to praise Taylor...6-3, 217 pounds in the early '60s, he was rookie of the year as a RB. Three inches taller and twenty pounds heavier than the typical WR or CB, he was found to be the fastest player on the Redskins once Otto Graham began to time his players. I'll repeat: when Graham moved Taylor to WR in 1966, it was like the invention of nuclear weapons. Who could the defense double-team: Taylor or Bobby Mitchell? And then who could cover Jerry Smith? With Sonny throwing???)

Point is, DT and MK might not be HoF, but they could turn into fine players. Given patience.