Post Game Discussion - Skins/Seahawks

[Sir_Monk]

I was watching the highlights on NBC and they said Portis left the game with an injury and that was why Betts was in their when he fumbled. But the Post said he was taken out for a breather, anyone know which one it is?

[crazyhorse1]

I'm sure this game was as close as it was because we were overlooking them waiting to play the G-Men next Sunday!

The game was close because our OL is too old and the DL can't play.

[Cappster]

- Our secondary is full of studs and it showed itself this week. I like seeing more turnovers being forced. I liked the different looks we gave and thank God for Landry and Springs. Landry is so fast that it will be difficult for anyone to outrun him to the endzone.

- Portis, well, the name speaks for itself.

- O-line had another great game run blocking, but could have done better on pass protection.

- Moss should have been ejected for throwing that punch. Randle El had a nice TD grab. We took a couple of shots at Kelley to no avail.

- Betts needs to go. He fumbles way too much for the amount of carries he gets and nearly could have cost us the game.

We won, but it still isn't that satisfying to me. We need more points and better execution.

[SkinsJock]

The team did what they had to - I thought that there were a number of our players who looked and played with the confidence that they knew they would be able to put up a W in the win column.

I am very pleased with the fact that while we dominated when we had to and did what we wanted, when it counted, we also did not embarrass Holmgren - such a class act

GO SKINS

[USAFSkinFan]

What's going on with Suisham's leg strength? Two weeks in a row now he's had field goals lees than 45 yards fall short. His kickoffs, other than one, barely made it inside the 15 yard line... early in the year he was booming everything...

[Deadskins]

Jerome Bettis just said that the Skins are the 2nd best team in the NFC...I like the love, but what is he smoking?

Well, now that I think of it...we beat the Cards and the Boys.
The Cats are overrated, the Falcons are young and are a good story, but I still think they'll finish 3rd in the South and miss out of the playoffs.
The Bucs are real good. They might be the 2nd best team in the NFC.

NFC Power Poll:
1. Giants
2. Buccaneers
3. Cowboys
4. Redskins
5. Cardinals
6. Packers
7. Falcons
8. Panthers

What are you smoking to have the Pies at #3? They should not even be on your list!

[Deadskins]

Just wanted to say to all the Redskin fans! Thank you for a great week. The better team won and I wish you guys the best of luck throughout the rest of the year. I still wish we had let Jim Zorn take over instead of Mora, but it's in the past. You guys have a great team and hope that for the best for your season.

Thanks, and best of luck to you on Turkey Day.

[NJ-SKINS-FAN]

I'm sure this game was as close as it was because we were overlooking them waiting to play the G-Men next Sunday!

uh, the steelers and the cowboys came to fedex and won, they cant over look a college team right now

[NJ-SKINS-FAN]

- Our secondary is full of studs and it showed itself this week. I like seeing more turnovers being forced. I liked the different looks we gave and thank God for Landry and Springs. Landry is so fast that it will be difficult for anyone to outrun him to the endzone.

- Portis, well, the name speaks for itself.

- O-line had another great game run blocking, but could have done better on pass protection.
- Moss should have been ejected for throwing that punch. Randle El had a nice TD grab. We took a couple of shots at Kelley to no avail.

- Betts needs to go. He fumbles way too much for the amount of carries he gets and nearly could have cost us the game.

We won, but it still isn't that satisfying to me. We need more points and better execution.

i agree with all esp. those in bold

[Deadskins]

I was watching the highlights on NBC and they said Portis left the game with an injury and that was why Betts was in their when he fumbled. But the Post said he was taken out for a breather, anyone know which one it is?

A little of both. He strained a muscle in his back before halftime, but put up good numbers in the 2nd half, even so. The final drive was all Portis, and ate up about 5:00 minutes on the clock. The whistle was late on his final play, and while he was kneeling on the ground, Seahawk players continued to hit him, bending him over backwards. Betts came in, and promptly fumbled on his first carry, giving the Seahawks new life. But Hasslebeck threw an INT to Springs, who made an acrobatic catch, on 1st down. Springs didn't even try to return it, he just lay on the ground, and we went into the victory formation to run out the clock.

[roybus14]

I saw Sasquatch, I mean Malcolm Kelly yesterday. It's about time this kid got on the field. I didn't realize he was actually that big.

All we need now is to get to hot down this stretch and this kid to play about his head down the stretch and we are good....

[TincoSkin]

just like last week. the number of carries that CP gets dictates his ability to win the game for us. when we only give him 13 carries we lose. last night we gave him more than 20 and he had 143 yards.

hes gonna get beat up against the gmen but that doesnt mean we dont give him the ball. 20+ carries and we win.

[VetSkinsFan]

CP can't hold up against all these carries, he's going to be beat up in the stretch.

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy.

Springs made a good catch, but I expect him to look a lot better next week. He was getting beat a lot more than normal.

Lines are getting beat. Something that needs to be addressed and stressed in the off-season or we'll be in a lot of trouble in the coming years.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy

I agree Betts needs more carries to play well, but I think playing more would be enough and he doesn't necessarily need to be the "featured" back. I also think he's a lot less likely to get the chance when his only job was to hold onto the ball and he coughed it up pretty close to costing us the game, which he's done before.

[Countertrey]

Just wanted to say to all the Redskin fans! Thank you for a great week. The better team won and I wish you guys the best of luck throughout the rest of the year. I still wish we had let Jim Zorn take over instead of Mora, but it's in the past. You guys have a great team and hope that for the best for your season.

Thank you. This coming Thursday... we are all Seahawk fans.

[VetSkinsFan]

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy

I agree Betts needs more carries to play well, but I think playing more would be enough and he doesn't necessarily need to be the "featured" back. I also think he's a lot less likely to get the chance when his only job was to hold onto the ball and he coughed it up pretty close to costing us the game, which he's done before.

Which further supports my point. He got 1k yards in ~11 games IIRC when given the opportunity and wasn't quite as fumble prone as he is when he gets carries sporadically.

[Cappster]

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy

I agree Betts needs more carries to play well, but I think playing more would be enough and he doesn't necessarily need to be the "featured" back. I also think he's a lot less likely to get the chance when his only job was to hold onto the ball and he coughed it up pretty close to costing us the game, which he's done before.

Which further supports my point. He got 1k yards in ~11 games IIRC when given the opportunity and wasn't quite as fumble prone as he is when he gets carries sporadically.

Betts needs to perform in his role. He is not the starter and he knows that when he comes in the game, he needs to gain positive yards and hold on to the football. If he cannot perform in his role, because it takes him a while to get going, well, we need to find someone who can perform how we need them to. The 1k yds in 11 games is a nice stat, but if I remember correctly, the offensive line was playing out of their mind during that stretch.

[VetSkinsFan]

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy

I agree Betts needs more carries to play well, but I think playing more would be enough and he doesn't necessarily need to be the "featured" back. I also think he's a lot less likely to get the chance when his only job was to hold onto the ball and he coughed it up pretty close to costing us the game, which he's done before.

Which further supports my point. He got 1k yards in ~11 games IIRC when given the opportunity and wasn't quite as fumble prone as he is when he gets carries sporadically.

Betts needs to perform in his role. He is not the starter and he knows that when he comes in the game, he needs to gain positive yards and hold on to the football. If he cannot perform in his role, because it takes him a while to get going, well, we need to find someone who can perform how we need them to. The 1k yds in 11 games is a nice stat, but if I remember correctly, the offensive line was playing out of their mind during that stretch.

This is my point. If we're not using him to his strengths, then we either change to use his strengths (not likely since CP is a beast!) or trade him to get someone who we CAN use the way we need. I like Betts, but he's getting the short end of hte stick here.

[PulpExposure]

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy

I agree Betts needs more carries to play well, but I think playing more would be enough and he doesn't necessarily need to be the "featured" back. I also think he's a lot less likely to get the chance when his only job was to hold onto the ball and he coughed it up pretty close to costing us the game, which he's done before.

Which further supports my point. He got 1k yards in ~11 games IIRC when given the opportunity and wasn't quite as fumble prone as he is when he gets carries sporadically.

Just FYI, even in that career season, he had more fumbles than TDs. He's always been fumble-prone, and at the worst times (remember when he fumbled against the Rams in that season...which directly lost us that game).

[BnGhog]

Portis did great (as usual)

I liked the fact we went to SELLERS! Caveman.

I'm very excited we are getting Kelly in the game. But even more than that, I'm glad we went to him deep. It looked like he's not used to a CB being that physical. IMO it looked like he had the speed to beat the guy, but there was so much contact, the DB held him up. Once he learns to get past that, he will be good and will make those catches.

I also noticed on the very next play CP slashed them for like 15 yards.

If Kelly starts making those catches this week, Plus Portis, The gmen won't know who to look for the rest of the game. Do they still double Moss, or change it up to double Kelly?

[SkinsFreak]

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy

I agree Betts needs more carries to play well, but I think playing more would be enough and he doesn't necessarily need to be the "featured" back. I also think he's a lot less likely to get the chance when his only job was to hold onto the ball and he coughed it up pretty close to costing us the game, which he's done before.

Which further supports my point. He got 1k yards in ~11 games IIRC when given the opportunity and wasn't quite as fumble prone as he is when he gets carries sporadically.

Betts needs to perform in his role. He is not the starter and he knows that when he comes in the game, he needs to gain positive yards and hold on to the football. If he cannot perform in his role, because it takes him a while to get going, well, we need to find someone who can perform how we need them to. The 1k yds in 11 games is a nice stat, but if I remember correctly, the offensive line was playing out of their mind during that stretch.

This is my point. If we're not using him to his strengths, then we either change to use his strengths (not likely since CP is a beast!) or trade him to get someone who we CAN use the way we need. I like Betts, but he's getting the short end of hte stick here.

I'm not sure what you mean by Betts getting the short end of the stick. He's a back-up RB, that's his role and has been for years.

But we're talking about now, so the notion of replacing him is not in the cards at this point. Portis is our strength and should be getting the bulk of the carries anyway. Portis has been the one that has sustained our offense this year.

And what do you mean about using Betts in the right way or to his strengths? As a RB, there are only so many holes to run in. How could he be used differently?

[VetSkinsFan]

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy

I agree Betts needs more carries to play well, but I think playing more would be enough and he doesn't necessarily need to be the "featured" back. I also think he's a lot less likely to get the chance when his only job was to hold onto the ball and he coughed it up pretty close to costing us the game, which he's done before.

Which further supports my point. He got 1k yards in ~11 games IIRC when given the opportunity and wasn't quite as fumble prone as he is when he gets carries sporadically.

Betts needs to perform in his role. He is not the starter and he knows that when he comes in the game, he needs to gain positive yards and hold on to the football. If he cannot perform in his role, because it takes him a while to get going, well, we need to find someone who can perform how we need them to. The 1k yds in 11 games is a nice stat, but if I remember correctly, the offensive line was playing out of their mind during that stretch.

This is my point. If we're not using him to his strengths, then we either change to use his strengths (not likely since CP is a beast!) or trade him to get someone who we CAN use the way we need. I like Betts, but he's getting the short end of hte stick here.

I'm not sure what you mean by Betts getting the short end of the stick. He's a back-up RB, that's his role and has been for years.

But we're talking about now, so the notion of replacing him is not in the cards at this point. Portis is our strength and should be getting the bulk of the carries anyway. Portis has been the one that has sustained our offense this year.

And what do you mean about using Betts in the right way or to his strengths? As a RB, there are only so many holes to run in. How could he be used differently?

Betts is better than a back up in a 1 back offense. Betts needs full time carries to excel. This is what I was attempting to illustrate. I thought we were passed these points.

I realize that we cannot get rid of Betts RIGHT NOW. I am fully aware of trade deadlines. I was speaking in the future tense for Betts.

[chiefhog44]

Betts is the type of back who cannot spell. He needs to be the feature back to get warmed up. Don't forget what he did when he started when CP was IR. Some guys cna come off the bench and proiduce, some can't. I don't think Betts is that kinda guy

I agree Betts needs more carries to play well, but I think playing more would be enough and he doesn't necessarily need to be the "featured" back. I also think he's a lot less likely to get the chance when his only job was to hold onto the ball and he coughed it up pretty close to costing us the game, which he's done before.

Which further supports my point. He got 1k yards in ~11 games IIRC when given the opportunity and wasn't quite as fumble prone as he is when he gets carries sporadically.

Betts needs to perform in his role. He is not the starter and he knows that when he comes in the game, he needs to gain positive yards and hold on to the football. If he cannot perform in his role, because it takes him a while to get going, well, we need to find someone who can perform how we need them to. The 1k yds in 11 games is a nice stat, but if I remember correctly, the offensive line was playing out of their mind during that stretch.

This is my point. If we're not using him to his strengths, then we either change to use his strengths (not likely since CP is a beast!) or trade him to get someone who we CAN use the way we need. I like Betts, but he's getting the short end of hte stick here.

I'm not sure what you mean by Betts getting the short end of the stick. He's a back-up RB, that's his role and has been for years.

But we're talking about now, so the notion of replacing him is not in the cards at this point. Portis is our strength and should be getting the bulk of the carries anyway. Portis has been the one that has sustained our offense this year.

And what do you mean about using Betts in the right way or to his strengths? As a RB, there are only so many holes to run in. How could he be used differently?

Betts is better than a back up in a 1 back offense. Betts needs full time carries to excel. This is what I was attempting to illustrate. I thought we were passed these points.

I realize that we cannot get rid of Betts RIGHT NOW. I am fully aware of trade deadlines. I was speaking in the future tense for Betts.

How many times does it take?

[redskins14ru]

Campbells running was great too he even slide and even tried to break off tutupu up the middle the skins had him chasing most of the night and kept seahawks off ballance kudos to the offense and the coaches. the down field strikes will be there next week and I mean quickly.. what are the giants ranked in sacks among the nfl this is going to be greater than any test all year with or with out moss .......redskins 13 giants 10
hail to the redskins with portis blocking our recievers have got to get there heads around and make the catches.

[SkinsFreak]

Betts is better than a back up in a 1 back offense. Betts needs full time carries to excel. This is what I was attempting to illustrate. I thought we were passed these points.

I realize that we cannot get rid of Betts RIGHT NOW. I am fully aware of trade deadlines. I was speaking in the future tense for Betts.

Vet, my bad... I understand what you're saying now, and I agree. I actually responded with a post that I subsequently deleted because I was reading that from a different angle initially. I long stressful day at work can do that. A few gin and tonics later and I can see clearly now.