Cant wait till mike vick get released

[funsho2]

Michael Vick ready to plead guilty on Va. charges
By LARRY O'DELL, Associated Press Writer
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AP - Oct 21, 5:32 pm EDT NFL Gallery SURRY, Va. (AP)—Former NFL quarterback Michael Vick plans to plead guilty to state dogfighting charges, a step that could allow him to qualify for an early release from federal prison and into a halfway house, court papers show.

In a motion filed Oct. 15 in Surry County Circuit Court, Vick’s attorneys asked to have him enter his plea by video teleconference. A hearing on the motion is scheduled for Oct. 30, Surry County Circuit Court administrator Sally Neblett said Tuesday.

The court papers note that allowing Vick to appear on two-way video would save the government the considerable expense of transporting him from prison in Leavenworth, Kan., to Surry County. His guilty plea would also allow him to pursue a halfway house program.

Under federal rules, Vick is ineligible to be released to a Residential Re-entry Center in the federal system until any pending charges against him are resolved.

In a statement, Vick attorneys Billy Martin and Lawrence Woodward said their client “is committed to taking responsibility for his actions. He is hopeful that, through this motion, the trial court will allow him to finally resolve these matters and put the charges behind him so that he can begin to focus on his future and to prepare to be reunited with his family.”

The plea deal, if approved, also would satisfy the county’s need to hold him accountable for the grisly crimes he bankrolled and participated in at a rural house he owned there.

“I’m not trying to make him suffer,” Commonwealth’s Attorney Gerald Poindexter said in a telephone interview. “I’m just trying to make him account for what he’s done.”

Vick pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy charges tied to the dogfighting operation last summer and is serving a 23-month term. Three convicted co-defendants also face local charges. The U.S. Bureau of Prisons lists Vick’s projected release date as July 20, 2009.

Vick will have three years of federal probation upon his release from prison, and the deal offered by Poindexter would tack on an unspecified jail sentence, which would be suspended, and an additional year of probation in the county, he said.

Poindexter said he’s not sure how quickly the judge would rule on the motion.

If permitted by a judge, Vick’s video participation in the plea hearing would not be the first time he has participated electronically. Prison officials in Kansas have allowed the former Atlanta Falcons star to listen via telephone line to each of his several bankruptcy hearings in recent months.

Associated Press sports writer Hank Kurz Jr. contributed to this report from Richmond, Va

[funsho2]

I wish the falcons can just release him ...but they will try to trade him...so they can get somethin out of him

[Irn-Bru]

What does a half-way house mean in this context?

[Chris Luva Luva]

It'll be interesting to see what happens when he gets released, I still feel like he got shafted a bit. Not defending what he did because it was wrong but I just felt that it kinda got malicious after a while.

[langleyparkjoe]

It'll be interesting to see what happens when he gets released, I still feel like he got shafted a bit. Not defending what he did because it was wrong but I just felt that it kinda got malicious after a while.

I want him back cause he's a damn good football player for sure. I'm anxious to see his arm strength considering the reports of him benching 300+ lbs. That's pretty nuts when you think about it.

[ChocolateMilk]

his sentence was more of a statement than an actual fair punishment IMO... i just think its bull that people get more worked up and angry about some one killing dogs than they do about some one killing a person..

any one here remember that whole thing with ray lewis? some one died and he got away with no punishment at all. i mean even if he didnt kill the guy, im sure he knows who did..

[langleyparkjoe]

his sentence was more of a statement than an actual fair punishment IMO... i just think its bull that people get more worked up and angry about some one killing dogs than they do about some one killing a person..

any one here remember that whole thing with ray lewis? some one died and he got away with no punishment at all. i mean even if he didnt kill the guy, im sure he knows who did..

agreed.. ray, pacman, majority of the bengals.. all criminals and by their behavior they are thugs

[BigRedskinDaddy]

his sentence was more of a statement than an actual fair punishment IMO... i just think its bull that people get more worked up and angry about some one killing dogs than they do about some one killing a person..

any one here remember that whole thing with ray lewis? some one died and he got away with no punishment at all. i mean even if he didnt kill the guy, im sure he knows who did..

agreed.. ray, pacman, majority of the bengals.. all criminals and by their behavior they are thugs

No more so and no less than Vick. The law is the law. He broke it.
Period.
He put himself where he is.
No one else did.

[Chris Luva Luva]

No more so and no less than Vick. The law is the law. He broke it.
Period.
He put himself where he is.
No one else did.

He deserved to be punished for his crimes. I don't debate that one bit. However, I believe that he was punished a bit harshly and the media coverage was insane. He deserved to be punished but what happened to him turned into something a bit malicious. IMHO.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

He deserved to be punished for his crimes. I don't debate that one bit. However, I believe that he was punished a bit harshly and the media coverage was insane. He deserved to be punished but what happened to him turned into something a bit malicious. IMHO.

We shall have to agree to disagree then.
IMHO what was truly malicious was what he and his cronies did to those dogs who could in no way prevent it from happening or otherwise protect themselves.

[Chris Luva Luva]

He deserved to be punished for his crimes. I don't debate that one bit. However, I believe that he was punished a bit harshly and the media coverage was insane. He deserved to be punished but what happened to him turned into something a bit malicious. IMHO.

We shall have to agree to disagree then.
IMHO what was truly malicious was what he and his cronies did to those dogs who could in no way prevent it from happening or otherwise protect themselves.

I don't really disagree with what you're saying and I'm not defending what he did. It was cruel and wrong. However, I'm just saying that in my opinion some of the things done to him went past being "justice" and become hateful.

Now, if you wanna get down to it. America has a deep love for dogs and dogs in particular. If Mike had been fighting Hamsters this wouldn't have happened. If they had been ants, cocks (i had to do it , im sorry), Koala Bears, or Penguins, this wouldn't have blown up. But they were dogs and people tend to humanize dogs more than any other animal.

Hey, do me a favor. The next time you squash a bug...call the police and have yourself arrested.

A life is a life right?

[SkinsJock]

I agree about the over reaction but I also hope he doesn't get a chance to play in the NFL again. I am all for fairness and think that a lot of people over reacted BUT the fact is he was involved with something that should mean he cannot play in the NFL again.

This is just my opinion but I do not consider his not being allowed to play in the NFL a punishment. Playing in the NFL is an honor and he is the one that made decisions that in my mind he knew were so wrong that if he got caught it could jeopardise his right to step on an NFL field again - he did and he tried to get away with it.


NO - I'm all for justice but justice has absolutely nothing to do with him playing football again.

We just need to keep showing people that if you get a chance to play in the NFL and then you behave in a manner that shows you have no regard for decent living then you should not be a part of the NFL - this is really simple - those people should go and market video games of themselves and what they consider fun and try to make a living selling that sort of garbage.

We do not need characters like Vick in the NFL.

[SkinsJock]

I will also add that players in the NFL are held to a higher standard and they know that - these guys are role models and being allowed back in the NFL would be a bad example of someone trying to show remorse for doing something that is basically inhuman - he had a chance and I think he was like a lot of bad people trying to get away with something just because he could.

I wonder what other stuff he got away with - this guy didn't suddenly get like this - this is a person who just abused everything.

end of rant

[BigRedskinDaddy]

I don't really disagree with what you're saying and I'm not defending what he did. It was cruel and wrong. However, I'm just saying that in my opinion some of the things done to him went past being "justice" and become hateful.

Now, if you wanna get down to it. America has a deep love for dogs and dogs in particular. If Mike had been fighting Hamsters this wouldn't have happened. If they had been ants, cocks (i had to do it , im sorry), Koala Bears, or Penguins, this wouldn't have blown up. But they were dogs and people tend to humanize dogs more than any other animal.

Hey, do me a favor. The next time you squash a bug...call the police and have yourself arrested.

A life is a life right?

Yes, we do have a deep love for dogs. It's not without reason. And I'm not so sure that any other mammals these days would have been disregarded, not with the way PETA and other organizations have been working -- and that's a good thing. Bottom line, the man screwed up, broke the law, and was punished. Maybe the media frenzy got a little out of control, but what if any celebrity trials these days don't?

Regarding the insect thing...I'm on the phone as I type this. See you guys when I bust out of the Big House.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I will also add that players in the NFL are held to a higher standard and they know that - these guys are role models and being allowed back in the NFL would be a bad example of someone trying to show remorse for doing something that is basically inhuman - he had a chance and I think he was like a lot of bad people trying to get away with something just because he could.

I wonder what other stuff he got away with - this guy didn't suddenly get like this - this is a person who just abused everything.

end of rant

Lets be real here.

Dog fighting is no different than cock fighting, bull fighting and any other animal fighting competition that goes on around the world. There are some parts of this country and this planet where fighting dogs is a sport and is not frowned upon. You can't fault the people who grow up in these cultures for not thinking it is wrong. If someone grows up in a part of this country where animal fighting is condoned, you can't expect them to fully comprehend the situation as you would. Does that condone what they did if it's unlawful? No. But don't paint the man as an evil demon out trying to slay puppies. We celebrate great men in history that pitted humans against humans, we celebrate men who owned slaves. But they get a pass because that was just the time/era they lived in.

People aren't upset that he broke the law, they're upset because they were cutie pie puppies doggies that people treat better than their fellow human beings.

- Who here wanted Sean put out the NFL for his infractions? *cups hand to ear...

- They gave Sean a few chances to get his head on straight, why shouldn't Vick get another shot?

- Pacman got 6 and maybe 7 chances...

- ey posted his weeny on the net where 5 year old kids could possibly see it.

Does any of that compare? That's not my call. But if Pacman can paralyze a man for life and get to play, then Vick deserves at least 1 more chance.

People make mistakes in life, this wasn't the big of a mistake to condemn the man for life. He's been to prison, lost all of his money and now people want to deny him a chance to try rebuild his life. That right there shows me that this isn't about the LAW this is about payback and vindication. He payed the lawful penalty for his actions but that isn't enough for some of you.

[Irn-Bru]

Now, if you wanna get down to it. America has a deep love for dogs and dogs in particular. If Mike had been fighting Hamsters this wouldn't have happened. If they had been ants, cocks (i had to do it , im sorry), Koala Bears, or Penguins, this wouldn't have blown up. But they were dogs and people tend to humanize dogs more than any other animal.

Hey, do me a favor. The next time you squash a bug...call the police and have yourself arrested.

A life is a life right?

Don't start this again. That one thread got ridiculous.

[Countertrey]

I will also add that players in the NFL are held to a higher standard and they know that - these guys are role models and being allowed back in the NFL would be a bad example of someone trying to show remorse for doing something that is basically inhuman - he had a chance and I think he was like a lot of bad people trying to get away with something just because he could.

I wonder what other stuff he got away with - this guy didn't suddenly get like this - this is a person who just abused everything.

end of rant

Lets be real here.

Yes. Let's.

Dog fighting is no different than cock fighting, bull fighting and any other animal fighting competition that goes on around the world.

And, oh, by the way... all three are illegal in this country

There are some parts of this country and this planet where fighting dogs is a sport and is not frowned upon.

Umm... wrong, Chris. They are illegal in every state of this country...

You can't fault the people who grow up in these cultures for not thinking it is wrong. If someone grows up in a part of this country where animal fighting is condoned, you can't expect them to fully comprehend the situation as you would.

Umm... you are talking about Michael Vick, aren't you? This was not part of his culture growing up... this didn't happen until he suddenly had money... and (oh by the way) a criminal posse... (let's just continue to pretend that there is no association between dog fighting and drug dealing. Let's just continue to pretend that Vick was completely unaware of that connection)

Does that condone what they did if it's unlawful? No. But don't paint the man as an evil demon out trying to slay puppies.

Oh, so, we should just pretend that the whole killing dogs by electrocution, drowning, and by slamming them to the floor, and through other BRUTAL means just never happened. Gotcha. Vick = humanitarian.

We celebrate great men in history that pitted humans against humans, we celebrate men who owned slaves. But they get a pass because that was just the time/era they lived in.

Hmmm... so, unless we develop the ability to travel back through time, we can have no standing to demand justice today, nor to establish standards of morality... I understand... not.

People aren't upset that he broke the law, they're upset because they were cutie pie puppies doggies that people treat better than their fellow human beings.

- Who here wanted Sean put out the NFL for his infractions? *cups hand to ear...

(LOUDLY) NOT I

- They gave Sean a few chances to get his head on straight, why shouldn't Vick get another shot?

Apples and oranges. Sean got involved in a misguided attempt to secure justice for actual wrongs against him. His prosecution was the result of an excessively ambitious prosecutor who saw this as his opportunity to launch a political career. He lost his job, and destroyed his own reputation... Sean was vindicated, and received a token penalty. That means something.

- Pacman got 6 and maybe 7 chances...

That one thug got away with it for far too long doesn't mean you give the same pass to another

- ey posted his weeny on the net where 5 year old kids could possibly see it.

OOPS... sorry, Mr ey. You are hereby declared the equivalent of a torturer of helpless animals.

Does any of that compare? That's not my call. But if Pacman can paralyze a man for life and get to play, then Vick deserves at least 1 more chance.

Ahh, yes... the old "moral equivalence" arguement. Neither of them deserve the chance. One lucked out. For a while. That's too bad... but again, isn't cause to back off another evil man. It IS NOT unfair that Vick was punished. It IS unfair that Adam Jones was allowed to play.

People make mistakes in life, this wasn't the big of a mistake to condemn the man for life. He's been to prison, lost all of his money and now people want to deny him a chance to try rebuild his life. That right there shows me that this isn't about the LAW this is about payback and vindication. He payed the lawful penalty for his actions but that isn't enough for some of you.

No one is denying him the chance to rebuild his life. Digging ditches, stocking shelves at Wal-Mart, driving for UPS... they are all honest work.
Is there some reason he is entitled to do it in the NFL?

Didn't think so.

Sorry, CLL... I can't buy it.

[SkinsJock]

sorry CLL - this guy deserves all the support anyone wants to give him - but in my opinion - he should not be allowed on an NFL team - this is not about equating with what anyone else did, this is about what this guy was involved with and how bad - he should be helped, given tons of money, become a public speaker, get lots of recruits for VT, whatever - just do not let this person become another example of a person who did something terribly wrong and now wants to have everything his way again - not in this life, sorry, it's too late for that.

He made his choice - it did not work out too well - you do not get to do what he did, completely deny everything when he had a chance to at least look like he might be sorry about anything he did and now he wants another chance - are you kidding me?





I hope he is free very soon to find out that he has no NFL life.


I would be very surprised if the NFL lets him become eligible to play again.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

trey, something tells me you used to be a mean sumbitch to debate with in HS.
Cuz I certainly wouldn't want to cross swords with you now...

[funsho2]

to counter and jock.....u guys just talk as if vick killed somebody....the guy made a poor judgement...he prolly fighting dogs b4 he got money in the nfl ...thats what growing up in that lifestyle means.....nobody is perfect...he spent 2 years in jail...did the crime and did his time....lets move on....aint nobody talking about sarah palin killing mooses in alaska....naw but its okay...cuz a dogs life is more important than a moose's life or a deer's life....
ya the way vick killed the doors are inhumane but the guy did his time...some teachers that have sex with underage students dont get the time vick got but they also broke the law....maybe cuz they were some pretty blonde women....

[SkinsJock]

to counter and jock.....u guys just talk as if vick killed somebody....the guy made a poor judgement...he prolly fighting dogs b4 he got money in the nfl ...thats what growing up in that lifestyle means.....nobody is perfect...he spent 2 years in jail...did the crime and did his time....lets move on....aint nobody talking about sarah palin killing mooses in alaska....naw but its okay...cuz a dogs life is more important than a moose's life or a deer's life....
ya the way vick killed the doors are inhumane but the guy did his time...some teachers that have sex with underage students dont get the time vick got but they also broke the law....maybe cuz they were some pretty blonde women....

I understand that he has paid for his mistake, no worries - I am not against him being able to pursue anything and hope that he gets support to do whatever he wants. I just do not think that he should be allowed on an NFL field again.

The fact is the NFL is a business and it is not a guarantee for any kid that happens to be incredibly talented to make a fantastic living as an NFL player. I love the fact that the NFL is mostly comprised of kids who spent most of their lives hoping and aspiring to be a part of the NFL.

This is not about comparing with anyone else, this is about this new NFL and Goodell has made it plain that he will do whatever it takes to keep the marketing side of the NFL (which is by far the largest form of income the NFL receives) very clean - that means that all the playes coming into the NFL understand there are personal conduct rules in effect - these are not society's rules - these rules do not allow for behavior like Vick's. If you put on an NFL uniform you accept that you have to behave in a certain manner - you are a role model and if you want to be something else, that is fine, take off the NFL uniform and have at it

The mistake people are making in my view are that they are looking at "life's" rules and interpreting this behavior - this guy not only made mistakes he never really made any attempt to see what could be done to get things right. He actually lied and aggressively tried to cover things up - bad mistake, he should not be allowed back.

[Chris Luva Luva]

And, oh, by the way... all three are illegal in this country[/color]

I'm not debating that. Hence, I said "world". My point is that ESPN and other media outlets glorify some of these "sports" but condemned Vick. It was a double standard

]Umm... wrong, Chris. They are illegal in every state of this country... [/color]

Wrong? Did you comprehend what I said? I did NOT say it was legal, I said it was not frowned upon. Two different things.

I'm simply getting at people mentality towards dog fighting. They grow up in places where it's "normal" so they don't value the lives of the animal as others would. The same goes for other sports around the world.

This was not part of his culture growing up... this didn't happen until he suddenly had money... and (oh by the way) a criminal posse... (let's just continue to pretend that there is no association between dog fighting and drug dealing. Let's just continue to pretend that Vick was completely unaware of that connection)[/color]

Please provide proof that dog fighting wasn't part of his childhood. Proof. Not just your opinion. Dog fighting is popular in the south. Heck it's popular in Baltimore (not as much as in the past). I grew up around it but never witnessed a fight.

Heck, even Clinton echoed comments that it wasn't a big deal. I'm not saying I agree with it at all but it goes to show that in the south its viewed in a different light.

I bet our boy CP has been to a fight or two or even participated in the past, would you want him banned from the NFL if it came out? I'm curious to know.

It's really apparent that you feel some kind of way about it because of how you're coming off in your post like Vick did something personal to you. You're making a lot of assumptions and this is the exact type of blind hate that I was talking about.

What he did was disgusting and sickening. I'll try summarize how I feel in 2 sentences.

- I feel that this wouldn't be that big of a deal if they weren't dogs and that simply makes the matter feel like BS to me.

- I feel that people are more-so thinking with their hearts and not their heads.

[Chris Luva Luva]

BTW, you're talking to a dude that couldn't even bait his hook when he went fishing for his dad cus he felt horrible for the worms. LOL I have a heart for anything that has to suffer. I swear I could hear the worms screaming in agony as they writhed in my hand.

[langleyparkjoe]

Good points made.. but look.. if an electrician working for Acme Electric gets caught and does jailtime for DUI/DWI on 295 (federal) after work hours, does that mean he can't be an electrician again? Some might say yes he can but just not for Acme Electric.. true.. but in Vick's case there's only one NFL and judging by Goodel's train of thought, if you do the time, your ok to play; if you do the crime again, your out. If Vick is do dumb to do so, I guess he can play in the Canadian league and be a superstar up there huh? Damn, that's too bad.. but hey, even Mr. Williams is back playin in Miami and that guy flat out told the whole NFL to step off (my substitute words since this isn't smack) and he'll do whatever he wants (the weed thing).

I guess it really does all boil down to the dog thing because that jerk pacman by his actions ended up having someone paralyzed plus the other stupid things he did. What's totally amazing to me is it seems people never created such a buzz about pacman coming back but waaaay more emphasis on Vick not playin in the NFL again. Hey, like I said before, I don't care about dogs like many others do but if Vick treated a human being like that, I'd say fry him. If your gonna keep Vick out, you need to put out the other trash that's playin in the NFL now. If you don't put them out, like Vick return and shut up about it. No disrespect to any of you, just

[ChocolateMilk]

im 100% with chris here.. There are parts of this world where stuff like this is not frowned upon, i mean look at pedro and his cock fights back in his country. just cuz you didnt grow up with it or hear anything about it till the whole vick thing, doesnt mean it didn exist.

and while yes, it is an awful thing to do. i still think the media and PETA made a bigger deal than needed about it. i dont know how many times i saw ESPNs legal advisor on tv during that span. it was ridiculous. and the point im trying to say is yeah he should have gotten punished, but he was more than punished. he was crucified. the media, PETA and everyone made him out to be a heartless human being. and thats not justice, thats not fair.