BossHog wrote:Yes, you can definitely judge a draft pick's 'worth' after one game of football... good or bad.
Personally, I just hope that they make sure the knee is healed before needlessly rushing a rookie back to health. I'm as anxious to see what Kelly can do as anybody is, but not enough to jeopardize his entire career because we 'need the receiver now.'
Apparently several team knew about Kelly's injury prior to the draft and took him off their draft board, thus the reason we got him so low. We must not have gotten the memo.
As for Jackson, I agree with you that you can't tell a lot about a player by one game, but I can tell you that I have seen Deshaun jackson for 5 games now...1 regular season and 4 pre-season games (the NFL Network is a beautiful thing) and I can tell you the guy can play.
If he was completely healthy he would have been a top 15 pick. So, its high risk/ high reward.
CanesSkins26 wrote:I'm going to have to disagree. That used to be the case, but isn't as much anymore. As more college teams run pro style offenses, receivers are more prepared now coming out of college to contribute on day 1. Dwayne Bowe put up very good numbers for a rookie last season and so did Calvin Johnson. Braylon Edwards contributed in year 1 and was very good by year 2. Marques Colston had over 1000 yards in his first year. Larry Fitzgerald had a very good rookie season (8 td's) and so did Anquan Boldin, who had over 1300 yards and 8 td's as a rookie. Look at Eddie Royal and Jackson as two receivers who are playing and contributing early on in their careers. So the argument that receivers take a long time to develop just isn't all that accurate. Thomas and Kelly need to start contributing soon or else our offense is going to continue to struggle because our receivers simply aren't very good.
Sure, I agree that receivers should contribute the first year, but most of the receivers you've mentioned really came on at the end of their first year.
But that's really not my comment. My comment is people are screaming that Thomas and Kelly were busts, and we've played ONE WHOLE GAME. You can't judge a rookie or a draft based upon THE FIRST GAME.
You can't even say DeSean Jackson is all that, because he played against the JV Rams. Look at who else went for 100 against the Rams; Greg Lewis and Hank Baskett.
Mississippi Hog wrote:Check out the Zorn interview on redskins.com. Looks like Kelly had a great day.
I know, it seems that Zorn really likes Kelly and obviously thinks he'll be a good piece to fit into the West Coast puzzle. I think his presence can only help J-Campbell this week. A 6'4'', athletic, fast WR is just what the doctor ordered for a QB who love to throw deep balls. It would be awesome if Kelly ends up being Campbell's Plaxico, but I know that is a long way away. Time can only tell with Kelly, I just want everyone to get off of our draft picks and quit calling them busts. I hope Fred Davis can be activated this week, I'd like to see him get some action rather than Yoder. Davis had a great pre-season.
Gibbs4Life wrote:I think Deshaun Jackson is motivating our rookies to get theirs. Sad that it had to be that way but I'll take it.
That's probably true, and you can throw in Eddie Royal's game against the Raiders on Monday. They still have plenty of time though to improve and show Zorn and the team what they have.
i dont get why people are beating up on kelly and thomas. they're rookies. give em some time. Zorn hasnt given em enough playing time to contribute. he said going into the season that they werent going to contribute much early on. and as soon as the season starts people are getting mad saying they have got to contribute. Zorn didnt give Thomas enough time to contribute. Once they get some playing time and get the offense under their belts im sure they'll be great.
you keep saying eddie royal and desean jackson were amazing. but look at that team. the eagles top 2 receivers were out and the broncos top receiver was suspended for that game so they had no one else to throw to. and look whos throwing to em. McNabb whos a legitimate MVP candidate and Jay Cutler whos a rising star i think. PLUS those QBs arent trying to learn a new system like Campbell is. So just give our rookie WR a break and give it some time
i dont get why people are beating up on kelly and thomas
Because when you draft your first 3 picks you don't say "YES we're gonna be unstoppable 3 or 4 years from now! Down the line we're stacked!" No what you want are dynamic players that make you better NOW. And none of our picks at least our first 3 have done that. Biggest dissapointment being Devin Thomas because he's had more opportunities than any of them.
i dont get why people are beating up on kelly and thomas
Because when you draft your first 3 picks you don't say "YES we're gonna be unstoppable 3 or 4 years from now! Down the line we're stacked!" No what you want are dynamic players that make you better NOW. And none of our picks at least our first 3 have done that. Biggest dissapointment being Devin Thomas because he's had more opportunities than any of them.
Kelly has played zero games and Thomas one. What do you want from them?
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Production, in practice, in pre-season, in regular season PRODUCTION
I expect rookies to come in at the very least in shape. Kelly had a well documented injury before being drafted so that I think gives him slack. As for Devin Thomas c'mon I'm still holding out hope but it doesn't look good, as Zorn would say with that pick we might have "whiffed"
Gibbs4Life wrote:Because when you draft your first 3 picks you don't say "YES we're gonna be unstoppable 3 or 4 years from now! Down the line we're stacked!" No what you want are dynamic players that make you better NOW. And none of our picks at least our first 3 have done that. Biggest dissapointment being Devin Thomas because he's had more opportunities than any of them.
There's no reason in debating with someone with unrealistic expectations.
i dont get why people are beating up on kelly and thomas
Because when you draft your first 3 picks you don't say "YES we're gonna be unstoppable 3 or 4 years from now! Down the line we're stacked!" No what you want are dynamic players that make you better NOW. And none of our picks at least our first 3 have done that. Biggest dissapointment being Devin Thomas because he's had more opportunities than any of them.
Kelly has played zero games and Thomas one. What do you want from them?
At least 10 catches, 150 yards, and 4 TDs. From each, each game. That's not unrealistic.
i dont get why people are beating up on kelly and thomas
Because when you draft your first 3 picks you don't say "YES we're gonna be unstoppable 3 or 4 years from now! Down the line we're stacked!" No what you want are dynamic players that make you better NOW. And none of our picks at least our first 3 have done that. Biggest dissapointment being Devin Thomas because he's had more opportunities than any of them.
Kelly has played zero games and Thomas one. What do you want from them?
At least 10 catches, 150 yards, and 4 TDs. From each, each game. That's not unrealistic.
Cut them now, they're busts.
Since Moss, ARE, and Thrash all were hurt last year, I think we should cut them, too. And since we're talking about people who get hurt and don't perform, CP was hurt a few years ago. And heck, ey's hurt now, so cut those guys as well.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Having some dissapointment in their lack of ability to aid the team is very warranted. We all want to see them more, we want to see what they can do.
But to label them busts....
You do know that we're kidding, right? At least me and VetSkins
I think MK is gonna be a fine p/u for us. Probably not this year, at least not significantly, but certainly next year. I've gotten some feedback on other boards from serious OU fans who say he reminded them a little of Jerry Rice; big, great route runner, very soft hands. I'd say that bodes well for his future, provided his knees hold up (and I think they will).
On a related note, I expect Fred Davis to do some very good things for us THIS year. It's a matter of Zorn figuring out how to get him some touches in the WCO. If he doesn't then he's not half the coach I thought he was -
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Having some dissapointment in their lack of ability to aid the team is very warranted. We all want to see them more, we want to see what they can do.
But to label them busts....
You do know that we're kidding, right? At least me and VetSkins
ey's hurt now, so cut those guys as well.
