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GSPODS wrote:There are so many things wrong here:

1) It's ESPN.
2) It's a blog.

I could list a dozen others but why bother? It is crystal clear Mosley didn't do any research or even read this morning's Redskins articles, such as the one I posted earlier explaining, in detail, why Zorn is playing the offensive starters, and that Blache is not playing the defensive starters. Mosley has no idea what he's talking about.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27572


Not to be a jerk, but why would he read something you wrote. He is a national guy and you are a fan on a website.
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cleg wrote:
GSPODS wrote:There are so many things wrong here:

1) It's ESPN.
2) It's a blog.

I could list a dozen others but why bother? It is crystal clear Mosley didn't do any research or even read this morning's Redskins articles, such as the one I posted earlier explaining, in detail, why Zorn is playing the offensive starters, and that Blache is not playing the defensive starters. Mosley has no idea what he's talking about.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27572


Not to be a jerk, but why would he read something you wrote. He is a national guy and you are a fan on a website.


I didn't write it. :o Did you click the link? :wink:
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VetSkinsFan, I think we're talking about different things as far as building a defense around a certain player. As a DC you want to use your strengths, and if you are lucky enough to have a commodity like ST yes, you game plan to make sure he's got freedom to make plays.

My point was that to build a defense that's going to be consistent for years to come you need a solid front 7. If your DBs are leading your team in tackles, there could be something wrong there, either your front 7 can't tackle and backs are getting "loose in the secondary" OR your front 7 can generate no pressure on the QB and he has all day to throw. I don't care how good you can cover, you can't cover all day, someone is going to get open or they'll find the soft spots in a zone and the DB has to make the tackle. Either one isn't good.

Building a football team is much like building a house, you have to start with a solid foundation. To me, on offense that foundation is the O-line and the D-line on defense. The more solid those two units are...the more successful your team is going to be.

The other part is to have some consistency with schemes. Constantly changing coaches doesn't help. Eventhough the new DC is from the old regeme, it doesn't mean his philosophy or the way he calls a game is going to be the same. The only thing that COULD be the same is the terminology. I hope it's a smooth transition.

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GSPODS wrote:
cleg wrote:
GSPODS wrote:There are so many things wrong here:

1) It's ESPN.
2) It's a blog.

I could list a dozen others but why bother? It is crystal clear Mosley didn't do any research or even read this morning's Redskins articles, such as the one I posted earlier explaining, in detail, why Zorn is playing the offensive starters, and that Blache is not playing the defensive starters. Mosley has no idea what he's talking about.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27572


Not to be a jerk, but why would he read something you wrote. He is a national guy and you are a fan on a website.


I didn't write it. :o Did you click the link? :wink:

I thought you meant you wrote it as well. And no, I didn't click the link because it was to a THN post, not an article on the web. And before you reply, I understand now that you posted an article on THN from an outside source.
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Thundersloth wrote:I think we're talking about different things as far as building a defense around a certain player. As a DC you want to use your strengths, and if you are lucky enough to have a commodity like ST yes, you game plan to make sure he's got freedom to make plays.

My point was that to build a defense that's going to be consistent for years to come you need a solid front 7. If your DBs are leading your team in tackles, there could be something wrong there, either your front 7 can't tackle and backs are getting "loose in the secondary" OR your front 7 can generate no pressure on the QB and he has all day to throw. I don't care how good you can cover, you can't cover all day, someone is going to get open or they'll find the soft spots in a zone and the DB has to make the tackle. Either one isn't good.

Building a football team is much like building a house, you have to start with a solid foundation. To me, on offense that foundation is the O-line and the D-line on defense. The more solid those two units are...the more successful your team is going to be.

The other part is to have some consistency with schemes. Constantly changing coaches doesn't help. Eventhough the new DC is from the old regeme, it doesn't mean his philosophy or the way he calls a game is going to be the same. The only thing that COULD be the same is the terminology. I hope it's a smooth transition.

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Didn't Bache come out saying that the defense starts with the DBs?
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I didn't hear him say that but I did read this article which says that his defenses in Chicago were linebacker oriented

http://www.theredskinreport.com/2005/11 ... -good-fit/

And I also read this

Blache's blueprint for success starts up front. His defensive line played a pivotal role as Washington finished fourth in the NFL in rush yardage allowed (91.3 avg.) in 2007, jumping 23 spots from its previous ranking in 2006 (27th in 2006, 4th in 2007).

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"A lot of people disagree with me on this but I firmly believe that in order to be successful on defense in today's football it starts with your corner position."


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Well then I'm totally confused. With the Bears he was linebacker oriented, then his blueprint starts up front and now he says corners are the key? Will the real Greg Blache please stand up?
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Thundersloth wrote:Well then I'm totally confused. With the Bears he was linebacker oriented, then his blueprint starts up front and now he says corners are the key? Will the real Greg Blache please stand up?


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Thundersloth wrote:Well then I'm totally confused. With the Bears he was linebacker oriented, then his blueprint starts up front and now he says corners are the key? Will the real Greg Blache please stand up?


Well, on the one hand, that's what good coaches do--fit the scheme to their players.

On the other hand, if he's looking at excellent corner play being the key to his system's success this year, I'm just not sure what team he thinks he's been working for.
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Agreed...you do have to fit your scheme to your players. But something just bugs me about this since two of these articles are while he's the DC of the Redskins which seems a bit inconsistent. Like he said a lot of people will disagree with him about corners. I also think something's not quite right with corners being the reason for your pass rush on a consistent basis. I do believe in "coverage sacks" but I don't believe that thinking will be successful IMHO.
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Besides, the corner quote was defenses have to start at corner. It doesn't say the Washington Redskins defense has to start at corner.
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None of this will matter when the Redskins are the #1 ranked defense in the League this year. It all starts in 1 short week. God, I love the smell of Football in the morning. (I'm trying to be optimistic :D)
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JansenFan wrote:Besides, the corner quote was defenses have to start at corner. It doesn't say the Washington Redskins defense has to start at corner.


I thought the article was pretty blunt about his emphasis on the importance of the corners in today's NFL. Maybe I'm reading too much into it:

"I like to be as aggressive as possible but in order to be aggressive you have to be able to cover on the corner.

But Blache knows that, in today's NFL, having a top cornerback gives defensive linemen more time to get to the quarterback, even on three-step drops.

A top cornerback also allows the strong safety to play less in coverage and more closer to the line of scrimmage to help defend against the run

"Other years, when we could match up and cover people, then we could become a lot more aggressive and get after them with blitzes, like the zone blitzes we're become known for around here."
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71 points in 8 quarters given up, looks like we need to put less emphasis on the corners. Watching that philosopy tonight seems pretty blunt.

I guess I have to trust the powers that be in their decision making but did anybody else notice that it took Al Saunders and Gregg Williams 10 minutes to get hired once they were let go by the Redskins. And was I the only who noticed why it took so long for management to hire a head coach after every other vacancy in the NFL was filled. And the fact that we hired coordinators BEFORE a head coach, then we hire a guy who was hired as an OC NOT the head coach then we turn around and say Zorn's the man? Does anybody else think nobody wanted the job which made it necessary to hire within?

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VetSkinsFan wrote:
JansenFan wrote:Besides, the corner quote was defenses have to start at corner. It doesn't say the Washington Redskins defense has to start at corner.


I thought the article was pretty blunt about his emphasis on the importance of the corners in today's NFL. Maybe I'm reading too much into it:

"I like to be as aggressive as possible but in order to be aggressive you have to be able to cover on the corner.

But Blache knows that, in today's NFL, having a top cornerback gives defensive linemen more time to get to the quarterback, even on three-step drops.

A top cornerback also allows the strong safety to play less in coverage and more closer to the line of scrimmage to help defend against the run

"Other years, when we could match up and cover people, then we could become a lot more aggressive and get after them with blitzes, like the zone blitzes we're become known for around here."


I agree. Someone said something about Blache modifying his focus depending on personnel and that being the reason he had three quotes saying three different positions were the key, so I was saying that in the article talking about the corner position, he doesn't say anything about corners are key because of the Skins personnel.
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