Official Panthers game thread....

[SCSkinsFan]

Buges looked like the weight of the world was on his shoulders at the end. Reflects the whole overall atmosphere and feeling of the way this evening and game went. Let's all throw our thoughts and prayers out to him for his loss, and pray that the news on JT does not turn out to be too bad. I'm out!
Hail!

[skinsrule84]

Fred Davis again. Looked very quick after the catch on that play.

I'm really liking Davis, good player.

Good player, that we diddn't need...I feel like we were gonna take Calais Campbell with that pick then the Cardinals snatched him up 1 pick ahead of us.

I don't agree with anything said in that post.

Calais was said to be a 3-4 guy, which we can't use.

It's not impossible. Cardinals run the 4-3 defense btw.

Doesn't mean he's in his ideal situation.

I don't think many rookies end up in their ideal situations. The big difference between a 4-3 defensive end and a 3-4 defensive end is usually the styles. 3-4 DE's are usally bigger power/run stopping rushers, while the 4-3 are more finess 3rd down rushers. I doubt he'll be that affected by the scheme in the pros.

Time will tell, but I don't think you draft someone who's strengths don't match your team's weaknesses.

I'm 100% sure we could have worked in talent like this into our defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3vOum2xU60

[skinsrule84]

Time to listen to Brian Mitchell kick us while we're down...

[SCSkinsFan]

Stick a fork in it. It's done. Good luck to the Skins on Thursday versus the Jags.

[welch]

General view of the game: ouch.

[roybus14]

Bad....bad....bad....

It's not the end of the world and it's only preseason. I'm sure that Buges was not there tonight and it showed in his guy's play. I don't expect that we will see the OL this bad again this season. They were punched in the mouth from the start and never fought back. I will chalk this one up to them not being ready to play because of Buges.

I am little concerned about JC though. He's double pumping too much. Now I don't have the benefit of seeing the whole field to see why he is doubling but if it's because he's too slow in his delivery or he's unsure, we got problems. Is it because his first option/look is always covered then he has to be a little faster going to #'s 2, 3, 4. Like I said I don't have the benefit of seeing the whole field like they will watching game film to really see.

Defensively, no excuses. That was pitifully and Blache better turn the screws on these guys quick. Otherwise, we will get blown out every game.

This could be too, that the whole team just wasn't ready to play today. Rock making the decision to come out when he knew he was too deep. Samuels getting bull-rushed and knocked on his butt by Peppers. Portis repeatedly getting hit in the backfield. Giving up big plays. These guys just weren't ready to play today.

As far as Jason Taylor. I don't think that this is another one of those Bruce Smith signings. I think Jason will be ready to go at the start of the season barring that his injury is serious. He's not the type to tank it like Bruce Smith or a Kearse.

[SkinsChic]

Dang...woke up this morning and discovered it was not just a dream....it was a NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DEHog]

Didn't show the game here last night. The NFL network is showing it today...trying to decide if I even want to watch??

[SkinsChic]

Don't do it DAN!!!!!

Still trying to figure out who those people were and what they did to with our REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!

[tribeofjudah]

Didn't show the game here last night. The NFL network is showing it today...trying to decide if I even want to watch??

Sounds like a waste of time. I'll go ride my bike instead.....

[PulpExposure]

I am little concerned about JC though. He's double pumping too much. Now I don't have the benefit of seeing the whole field to see why he is doubling but if it's because he's too slow in his delivery or he's unsure, we got problems. Is it because his first option/look is always covered then he has to be a little faster going to #'s 2, 3, 4. Like I said I don't have the benefit of seeing the whole field like they will watching game film to really see.

It's hard to evaluate QB play when you're constantly under pressure.

Our line was awful last night. That sentence works for both the offense and defensive lines.

[Riggins85]

OL played terrible as a unit (pressure came from everywhere - edge right/left and middle). The D played well in the first couple series, but then fell apart. I'm not to concerned due to adverse conditions (field position, time played and players out - MW, LL, JT). Subpar QB play - JC had the same problems last year (holds ball to long/slow to make decisions/slow mechanics, locks on to receiver & not accurate on medium/long passes). I think Gibbs understood this and that's why he game planned the way he did. JC is still young and the jury is still out on how good he can be, but some of these problems go back to his college days. I hope he overcomes these challenges, because it would be great to have good QB for the next decade, but if he doesn't the team will be starting over again at the QB position.

[yupchagee]

Didn't show the game here last night. The NFL network is showing it today...trying to decide if I even want to watch??

Try something less painfull, like root canal.

[Champsturf]

I'm getting ready to watch...at least up until Taylor's injury...

[MDSKINSFAN]

I am little concerned about JC though. He's double pumping too much. Now I don't have the benefit of seeing the whole field to see why he is doubling but if it's because he's too slow in his delivery or he's unsure, we got problems. Is it because his first option/look is always covered then he has to be a little faster going to #'s 2, 3, 4. Like I said I don't have the benefit of seeing the whole field like they will watching game film to really see.

It's hard to evaluate QB play when you're constantly under pressure.

Our line was awful last night. That sentence works for both the offense and defensive lines.

exactly. chris samuels is great but julius peppers made him look real bad last night by pushing him right back into JC. campbell didnt have anytime to make decisions becuase the line was pushed right back into his face right after the snap

[1niksder]

I'm getting ready to watch...at least up until Taylor's injury...

A bit late now but check your PMs

[Champsturf]

I'm getting ready to watch...at least up until Taylor's injury...

A bit late now but check your PMs

thanks

[Bob 0119]

That wss the most awful 30 minutes of football (if you can call it that) that I have seen in recent memory.

I say 30 minutes, because I didn't even bother watching the second half.

I don't think we could have played that bad even if we were trying to throw the game.

It really looked like we wanted to lose last night.

I'm not necessarily a "the-sky-is-falling" type, but it's hard to find anything good from last night's game.

[SkinMeAlive]

That wss the most awful 30 minutes of football (if you can call it that) that I have seen in recent memory.

I say 30 minutes, because I didn't even bother watching the second half.

I don't think we could have played that bad even if we were trying to throw the game.

It really looked like we wanted to lose last night.

I'm not necessarily a "the-sky-is-falling" type, but it's hard to find anything good from last night's game.

According to skinsrule84, spenser, and gibbs4life, the sky is falling.
Or it has already fallen.
The good things about last night's game are that it is over, that it was a preseason game instead of a regular season game, that the $8.5 Million investment named Jason Taylor is out for about two weeks instead of two months or a full season, and that certain 'fans' who were getting delusions of grandeur have been brought back to reality.

The game was bad. Please don't challenge how badly this Redskins team can play. It can always be worse. Remember SuperBowl XVIII? Nobody wants to lose, despite all outward appearances. The sky isn't falling ... yet. This team is a work in progress. When the front office stops working on improving the team, then the sky will truly be falling.

[aswas71788]

Forget about last nights game, it was a preseason game as far as won or lost. Campbell was the same as he was last year which means that he is not listening to Zorn. I think the hand-writing is on the wall for Campbell. Forget about the excuses of a new system, what you see is what you get, the complete package. I suspect (hope) that Campbell will not be automatically annointed the starter next year, that it will be a competition.

[RayNAustin]

Watch Todd and Colt come in and light up some backups and everyone here jumps on JC's back again...

And why wouldn't they? He's come out, made slow reads, kept the ball too long. He's missed receivers, and taken a beating. What positives has he shown today?

Because it's not entirely his fault.

Didn't say it was all his fault, but he's the "field general." If he's off, the whole team is off. No passes completed downfield which brings LBs and safeties up, which affects the running game. ANd I think it's safe to assume JC's off.

He's off because he wasn't able to get in an early rythm because of the horrible offensive line play early on...Can't blame him for looking over his shoulder and getting the happy feet, they just couldn't give him enough time to throw the ball, and when he had an extra second or two his timing was off from all the hits he took.

He's off because he's OFF. This isn't anything new, and it seems he isn't improving. So enough of the "it ain't all Jason's fault" excuses. Short receivers, bad O-line, new systems, blah, blah, blah.

Campbell looks EXACTLY like the Jason Campbell that couldn't throw a TD to a wide receiver in 8 games last year. He's SLOOOOW.....he holds the ball forever, and he couldn't hit a receiver down field if the defense was in the locker room.

A good QB helps an O-line by getting the ball off quickly. A good QB makes defenses pay for playing the LB's and Safeties up by making plays down filed. When defenses don't fear the opposing QB, this kind of domination is the result, because the only plays they need to defend are those 3-5 yard dink passes, which also means that the defense is up and in good position to stop your running game too. In effect, the defense has to cover less field when there is NO DEEP THREAT such as we have grown to expect and make excuses for with Campbell. And the word is out on Campbell....you can bet on that. Want to beat the Redskins? Bring everyone up, and force Jason Campbell to beat you deep. He hasn't done it to anyone, so until he does, that's the formula.

And it would seem, based on what I've seen so far, we can't rely on the defense to continue bailing out the offense either. They too suck. It looked like there were 11 Adam Archulettas out there running around like the three stooges.

Overall, preseason or not, that was about the most pitiful display of football I've ever seen from the Redskins on both sides of the line. And aside from Brennan's couple of games, the offense is a JOKE....those high percentage completion numbers over the first 3 games are because 90% of them are short dink passes. The panthers took that stuff away, and until someone gets a clue (or a decent QB), it looks to be a very long season approaching.

Mark my words....Jason Campbell ain't the answer....and it is only a matter of if or when the Redskins face that reality. Will they wait till the record is 2-11, and start playing someone else for the cleanup final 3 games? Or will they admit that something needs to be done sooner.

Last year was proof that Campbell isn't this franchise's long term answer. No one is willing to accept that in spite of the fact that Collins came right in and the entire season turned around on a dime.

Jason Campbell sucks. Like it or not, that's the fact of the matter.

[MDSKINSFAN]

That wss the most awful 30 minutes of football (if you can call it that) that I have seen in recent memory.

I say 30 minutes, because I didn't even bother watching the second half.

I don't think we could have played that bad even if we were trying to throw the game.

It really looked like we wanted to lose last night.

I'm not necessarily a "the-sky-is-falling" type, but it's hard to find anything good from last night's game.

Derrick Frost's punting was about the only thing that was good last night

[Irn-Bru]

Derrick Frost's punting was about the only thing that was good last night

I disagree. Our team, mostly our defense, put on a decent performance until mid-way through the second quarter. Some awful LB play and bad angles by our safeties led to those late touchdowns in the first half. OK, they were on the field almost the entire first half, but that's not much of an excuse there.

Our offense just didn't find its groove. We can overcome the sacks if we don't turn the ball over right after making a good play. Saw some flashes of what this offense could be, but we're going to need blockers if we want more than a 10-yard run in the middle of 2 sacks and a fumble.

If that was a real game what we saw would be a much worse indicator of our chances this year. But, just like when our first-team offense and defense look great, the results of that game shouldn't be taken too seriously. Better to have a blowout in August than in September or December.

We also came away with few injuries, which is always the number one goal of preseason. (Jason Taylor will be fine.) We basically made it through this preseason without losing anyone for the year, which is a mini-miracle for the Redskins.

[JansenFan]

Derrick Frost's punting was about the only thing that was good last night

I disagree. Our team, mostly our defense, put on a decent performance until mid-way through the second quarter. Some awful LB play and bad angles by our safeties led to those late touchdowns in the first half. OK, they were on the field almost the entire first half, but that's not much of an excuse there.

Our offense just didn't find its groove. We can overcome the sacks if we don't turn the ball over right after making a good play. Saw some flashes of what this offense could be, but we're going to need blockers if we want more than a 10-yard run in the middle of 2 sacks and a fumble.

If that was a real game what we saw would be a much worse indicator of our chances this year. But, just like when our first-team offense and defense look great, the results of that game shouldn't be taken too seriously. Better to have a blowout in August than in September or December.

We also came away with few injuries, which is always the number one goal of preseason. (Jason Taylor will be fine.) We basically made it through this preseason without losing anyone for the year, which is a mini-miracle for the Redskins.

Kareem Moore looked fairly decent I thought. He took a couple of Nichols State angles (obviously not going to have to chase down a lot of guys of Stewart's caliber with his previous team), but those are the things rookies go through, particularly in pre-season against first string NFL talent.

[PulpExposure]

Jason Campbell sucks.

Yes, I think everyone who has even scanned this board understands you dislike Jason Campbell.