Devin Thomas Anyone?

[Gibbs4Life]

Un-impressive. Thus far a bust...thus far. We shall see, but I remember reading that when devin and malcom we're healthy, malcom was the better of the two, alot of teams passed on this guy and are we starting to see why? Of course its too soon but we could have hoped for better. During the game someone mentioned Devin looked Westbrook-esque and I will say there was a play on special teams where devin and another redskin were around the ball after it had been kicked and I saw the player put his arm out to help keep devin from touching the ball and I saw thomas slap his own teammate's arm the way player usually slap at the opposition I didn't appreciate that, or after the near completion to him on the sideline he got up and walked very non-chalant like.
In devin we are facing an increasingly problematic situation in the NFL, that is a guy who has recieved alot of money for ZERO pro production. A 4 year deal, for what? burning the buckeyes? Please. This kid has a long way to go and it's going to be even longer if he doesn't take the right approach and attitude towards professionalism.

[frankcal20]

Dude....so your saying he busted his 1st game. He made a hell of a grab but just didn't get his 2nd foot down. I think BUST is a bit of a stretch at this point. I think after year 2 is a better time to have this discussion.

[1niksder]

Dude....so your saying he busted his 1st game. He made a hell of a grab but just didn't get his 2nd foot down. I think BUST is a bit of a stretch at this point. I think after year 2 is a better time to have this discussion.

And he didn't give up on this one, if he had it would have been a pick.

[Irn-Bru]

Un-impressive. Thus far a bust...thus far.

[skinsfan1963]

he's not in football shape yet.when is
kelly supposed to at least practice?

[GSPODS]

Un-impressive. Thus far a bust...thus far.

You're laughing at that idiotic comment?
Hell, by that rationale, all of the Redskins draft picks this year are busts.
What other idiotic commentary will I find if I keep reading the meaningless preseason game threads?

It was more important to win a meaningless preseason game than to escape without injuries. It was more important to win than to evaluate talent. Colt Brennan is the second coming of 'Quarterback Jesus' and Todd Collins and Derek Devine both suck and must be destroyed. Cut them all and start over next season. Cerrato can't draft and needs to be fired. Zorn can't coach 'em up in a few weeks. He needs to go, too. Snyder has more money than brainpower.

Did I guess it all? Every preseason it's the same baseless, factless, groundless, unfounded, gutless, toothless, ridiculous, brainless, assinine commentary from the same so-called fans. 0-16, 16-0 or any record in between, Devin Thomas will be a Washington Redskins wide receiver this season. And he will get his reps as soon as someone goes down with an injury, which will happen. If anyone doesn't like it, they should find another team to 'support', and I use that term very loosely. This retarded commentary comes from the same group of mental defectives who complain about close wins, and make excuses for close losses during the regular season, when mistake-free performances and wins actually mean something.

It's Devin Thomas, of your Washington Redskins.
As long as he wears the Washington Redskins uniform, I'll be extremely impressed, seeing as how I don't wear one, and wouldn't have been good enough to wear one on my best football day. Neither would anyone who makes such comments as being "unimpressed." Speaking of unimpressive.

I hear Philly likes fickle 'fans' who only give players 5 minutes to exceed expectations before calling for their heads. If anyone doesn't like the way the Washington Redskins conduct business, there are options. Running the team from a message board isn't one of them.

[MDSKINSFAN]

you cant say hes a bust...yet. i always thought in college kelly was really good. i would have been fine only drafting him. i would take someone with 3 good college years over thomas 1. kelly has the size and from what people say he has that "deceptive" speed. i hope he comes back healthy and is great just in case thomas isnt what we want.

and i find it kind of funny how fred davis was the rookie getting ripped by the media and fans when he missed practice but at least the guy showed up in shape and has played well unlike the other two top picks

[Gibbs4Life]

baseless, factless, groundless, unfounded, gutless, toothless, ridiculous, brainless, assinine

ok gspods you can stop describing your mom.


Anyway, Colt Brennan put up "Quarterback Jesus'' numbers in college. After being drafted he has come in and outperformed all of our qb's, granted it has been against 2nd 3rd and 4th stringers, none the less he has been "impressive".

Devin Thomas hired Drew Rosenhaus, implication? He wants money, and that's fine assuming he is going to work for it.
So then he shows up to mini-camp day 1 and according to all reports is out performed by malcom kelly, even teammate Randle El is saying "Malcom more so then Devin"
From there he hits training camp out of shape and pulls a hamstring (are you un-impressed yet?) he misses the first two pre-season games and doesn't make 1 catch in the third.
Zorn's only positive remark for Devin Thomas after the Jets game was "he was very willing to play" well I should hope so.

I'm still hoping for the best from DT but to this point I've got nothing to go on other than "he's very willing to play" and that is the definition of un-impressive.

[GSPODS]

Drew Rosenhaus is considered the best, or one of the best player agents the NFL has licensed. Money is only one of the many reasons players select a particular agent. Agents do far more than simply argue money. So, Devin Thomas wanted a top tier player agent? Who doesn't? Not everyone can get Drew Rosenhaus or a top tier agent to represent them.

The comment by Antwan Randle El was quoted out of context. The quote was from OTA's, not preseason games, and was regarding several different aspects of receiving. It was directly related to Kelly being a better route runner. Both Thomas and Kelly pulled hamstrings, so the out of shape argument ends there. Both were berated by Jim Zorn for being out of NFL shape, so that argument ends there. Thomas played. Kelly didn't. So, the claim that wanting to play is a sign of being unimpressive is idiotic. Wanting to play is a sign of wanting to show Jim Zorn that he is taking things seriously and is listening to what he is being told about how to succeed in the NFL. Whining, complaining and saying he isn't ready to go would be unimpressive.

As far as the number of catches, or lack of catches, he's already giving more effort than Brandon Lloyd and Michael Westbrook combined. I haven't seen Thomas give up on a play yet. That's more than I can say for any number of former Redskins receivers.

Jerry Rice caught 49 passes his first season. Cris Carter caught 5 passes his first season and 39 his second season. Art Monk caught 58 passes his first season. Give Devin Thomas more than the preseason of his rookie year before writing him off as a bust. Otherwise, the Redskins might redo the Keenan McCardell mistake, letting a potential Hall Of Famer go to another team for his entire career.

[KazooSkinsFan]

i always thought in college kelly was really good. i would have been fine only drafting him. i would take someone with 3 good college years over thomas 1. kelly has the size and from what people say he has that "deceptive" speed. i hope he comes back healthy and is great just in case thomas isnt what we want

And the big one, Kelly didn't go to MSU! What a loser school that is. I promised to be a Thomas fan (if he makes it with us) and I will, but there is an "adjustment period." Let's face it, the guy was accused of being lazy. I think we already knew that considering the school he chose to attend. If you want to focus on football w/o worrying about having to spend a bunch of time going to classes and studying and stuff, then MSU might just be the school for you!

[yupchagee]

i always thought in college kelly was really good. i would have been fine only drafting him. i would take someone with 3 good college years over thomas 1. kelly has the size and from what people say he has that "deceptive" speed. i hope he comes back healthy and is great just in case thomas isnt what we want

And the big one, Kelly didn't go to MSU! What a loser school that is. I promised to be a Thomas fan (if he makes it with us) and I will, but there is an "adjustment period." Let's face it, the guy was accused of being lazy. I think we already knew that considering the school he chose to attend. If you want to focus on football w/o worrying about having to spend a bunch of time going to classes and studying and stuff, then MSU might just be the school for you!

& OU is known for having high academic standards fo its scholarship athletes?????????

[Gibbs4Life]

Give Devin Thomas more than the preseason of his rookie year before writing him off as a bust.

Pretty sure I was giving him more when I said

Thus far a bust...thus far.

Thus far means up until this point. As in if his career ended today.

Look no one will be more excited than me to see Devin Thomas succeed, my point is that his stacking of being out of shape with being injured does not a great start make. Colt Brennan on the other hand...great start, yeah he missed mini-camp with injury but came in to camp with burning desire.

I question Devin Thomas' desire when he doesn't pass a physical fitness test, as Zorn said "if you can't pass the test we give you, something's not right" And we're not talking about a guy who put up huge numbers in college..Devin only played at a high level for 1 year at Michigan State.
Again hope for the best but up until now I guess we'll just be gratefull he's "willing to play"

[VRIEL1]

alot of teams passed on this guy and are we starting to see why?

Uhm.....I think all the teams passed on him ....as well as all the other WR's. We were the first team to take a WR I believe. Wasn't he our first pick in the second round?

It's amazing. All the teams passed on Kelly also. He must be a bust. As well as Davis. We should learn to read other teams better and find a way to take their picks out from under them before they get to pick. Then no one can say other teams passed on the one we picked. We can argue how the other team has a bad scouting dept.

[GSPODS]

Give Devin Thomas more than the preseason of his rookie year before writing him off as a bust.

Pretty sure I was giving him more when I said

Thus far a bust...thus far.

Thus far means up until this point. As in if his career ended today.

Look no one will be more excited than me to see Devin Thomas succeed, my point is that his stacking of being out of shape with being injured does not a great start make. Colt Brennan on the other hand...great start, yeah he missed mini-camp with injury but came in to camp with burning desire.

I question Devin Thomas' desire when he doesn't pass a physical fitness test, as Zorn said "if you can't pass the test we give you, something's not right" And we're not talking about a guy who put up huge numbers in college..Devin only played at a high level for 1 year at Michigan State.
Again hope for the best but up until now I guess we'll just be gratefull he's "willing to play"

Got it. If Thomas' NFL career ended before it begins, he would be a bust.
That's a revelation. Considering Thomas won't even be an every down receiver unless someone gets injured, what more can anyone ask of him other than he be willing to play when his number is called? When his number is called, everyone can worry about the next issue. Running the correct route, THEN Catching the ball, THEN Yards after catch, THEN Breakaway speed, THEN whatever else. One step at a time.

[crazyhorse1]

Give Devin Thomas more than the preseason of his rookie year before writing him off as a bust.

Pretty sure I was giving him more when I said

Thus far a bust...thus far.

Thus far means up until this point. As in if his career ended today.

Look no one will be more excited than me to see Devin Thomas succeed, my point is that his stacking of being out of shape with being injured does not a great start make. Colt Brennan on the other hand...great start, yeah he missed mini-camp with injury but came in to camp with burning desire.

I question Devin Thomas' desire when he doesn't pass a physical fitness test, as Zorn said "if you can't pass the test we give you, something's not right" And we're not talking about a guy who put up huge numbers in college..Devin only played at a high level for 1 year at Michigan State.
Again hope for the best but up until now I guess we'll just be gratefull he's "willing to play"

Stick to your guns, my friend. Failing the physical fitness test is indication of something wrong in the brain. The one year wonder college career is another. The stupid, mentally disconnected penalty yet another. So far, there's been nothing to cheer about.

[GSPODS]

Stick to your guns, my friend. Failing the physical fitness test is indication of something wrong in the brain. The one year wonder college career is another. The stupid, mentally disconnected penalty yet another. So far, there's been nothing to cheer about.

The inability to run wind sprints is an indication of something wrong in the brain? On what planet? I also find it ironic that your post would discuss the "stupid" and "mentally disconnected", although I can easily see how you might claim to be an expert on those subjects. Something to cheer about? How about reclaiming the "Most Ridiculous Post" crown?

[CanesSkins26]

Stick to your guns, my friend. Failing the physical fitness test is indication of something wrong in the brain. The one year wonder college career is another. The stupid, mentally disconnected penalty yet another. So far, there's been nothing to cheer about.

The inability to run wind sprints is an indication of something wrong in the brain? On what planet? I also find it ironic that your post would discuss the "stupid" and "mentally disconnected", although I can easily see how you might claim to be an expert on those subjects. Something to cheer about? How about reclaiming the "Most Ridiculous Post" crown?

I disagree with the original poster's comments, but the failed physical fitness tests are somewhat concerning for both Thomas and Kelly. Kelly, coming off injury concerns, should have been more motivated that the other players to come into camp and show that he is healthy and ready to play. Thomas, coming off one good year and falling out of the first round where most projected him to go, should have come in in great shape. Zorn obviously wasn't happy about this as he publicly called out both players on this. At the very least this raises some concern about their commitment to the game.

[GSPODS]

I disagree with the original poster's comments, but the failed physical fitness tests are somewhat concerning for both Thomas and Kelly. Kelly, coming off injury concerns, should have been more motivated that the other players to come into camp and show that he is healthy and ready to play. Thomas, coming off one good year and falling out of the first round where most projected him to go, should have come in in great shape. Zorn obviously wasn't happy about this as he publicly called out both players on this. At the very least this raises some concern about their commitment to the game.

I can't say that I agree. Not every collegiate football program runs wind sprints. That is a conditioning drill that actually requires practice at that specific conditioning drill. If anyone doesn't believe that, try it. Go outside and run ten consecutive 30 yard sprints, pause for 60 seconds, and run another ten 30 yard wind sprints. That's a total of 600 yards, 1800 feet, 1/3rd of a mile. Sprinting, not jogging. Many Olympians don't even practice sprinting that distance. If you're prepared for it, and can practice it, I'm sure it isn't a huge issue. But to say that there's something wrong if someone who's never done it before can't do this is a bit of a stretch, in my opinion.

[CanesSkins26]

Not every collegiate football program runs wind sprints.

What does that have to do with anything? Kelly and Thomas were supposed to be getting prepared for an NFL training camp, not a college fall practice. They should have known what was in store for them and should have prepared accordingly. Instead both came into camp out of shape, got injured, and seriously set back their chances of contributing early on in the season.

[Gibbs4Life]

Considering Thomas won't even be an every down receiver unless someone gets injured, what more can anyone ask of him other than he be willing to play when his number is called?

His number was called on draft day, he had every opportunity to come in and win the #2 reciever spot and be that every down reciever, still THUS FAR he has not lived up to his end of the 4 year deal. Hoping to see him light it up in Carolina.

[KazooSkinsFan]

i always thought in college kelly was really good. i would have been fine only drafting him. i would take someone with 3 good college years over thomas 1. kelly has the size and from what people say he has that "deceptive" speed. i hope he comes back healthy and is great just in case thomas isnt what we want

And the big one, Kelly didn't go to MSU! What a loser school that is. I promised to be a Thomas fan (if he makes it with us) and I will, but there is an "adjustment period." Let's face it, the guy was accused of being lazy. I think we already knew that considering the school he chose to attend. If you want to focus on football w/o worrying about having to spend a bunch of time going to classes and studying and stuff, then MSU might just be the school for you!

& OU is known for having high academic standards fo its scholarship athletes?????????

I don't hate OU though

[GSPODS]

Not every collegiate football program runs wind sprints.

What does that have to do with anything? Kelly and Thomas were supposed to be getting prepared for an NFL training camp, not a college fall practice. They should have known what was in store for them and should have prepared accordingly. Instead both came into camp out of shape, got injured, and seriously set back their chances of contributing early on in the season.

And how would anyone know what NFL training camp entails?
It's like going into basic training. Unless you know someone who's been there and ask the questions, you have no idea what you've agreed to.
Is it their fault for not asking the questions? Different topic, but yes. I would agree that they should have done more research on what it takes to make it in the NFL. Hindsight at this point.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Thus far means up until this point. As in if his career ended today

If any second round pick's career ended in the pre-season of their rookie year they would have been a "bust" no matter what they did in the pre-season that made up their career, it's pretty much a non-statement. But seriously, it's pretty intellectually challenged to even bring up the word "bust" in the pre-season of their rookie year.

[LORD GIBBS]

Un-impressive. Thus far a bust...thus far.

You're laughing at that idiotic comment?
Hell, by that rationale, all of the Redskins draft picks this year are busts.
What other idiotic commentary will I find if I keep reading the meaningless preseason game threads?

It was more important to win a meaningless preseason game than to escape without injuries. It was more important to win than to evaluate talent. Colt Brennan is the second coming of 'Quarterback Jesus' and Todd Collins and Derek Devine both suck and must be destroyed. Cut them all and start over next season. Cerrato can't draft and needs to be fired. Zorn can't coach 'em up in a few weeks. He needs to go, too. Snyder has more money than brainpower.

Did I guess it all? Every preseason it's the same baseless, factless, groundless, unfounded, gutless, toothless, ridiculous, brainless, assinine commentary from the same so-called fans. 0-16, 16-0 or any record in between, Devin Thomas will be a Washington Redskins wide receiver this season. And he will get his reps as soon as someone goes down with an injury, which will happen. If anyone doesn't like it, they should find another team to 'support', and I use that term very loosely. This retarded commentary comes from the same group of mental defectives who complain about close wins, and make excuses for close losses during the regular season, when mistake-free performances and wins actually mean something.

It's Devin Thomas, of your Washington Redskins.
As long as he wears the Washington Redskins uniform, I'll be extremely impressed, seeing as how I don't wear one, and wouldn't have been good enough to wear one on my best football day. Neither would anyone who makes such comments as being "unimpressed." Speaking of unimpressive.

I hear Philly likes fickle 'fans' who only give players 5 minutes to exceed expectations before calling for their heads. If anyone doesn't like the way the Washington Redskins conduct business, there are options. Running the team from a message board isn't one of them.

I LOVE YOUR POST This place is a bit nuts

[Paralis]

Not every collegiate football program runs wind sprints.

What does that have to do with anything? Kelly and Thomas were supposed to be getting prepared for an NFL training camp, not a college fall practice. They should have known what was in store for them and should have prepared accordingly. Instead both came into camp out of shape, got injured, and seriously set back their chances of contributing early on in the season.

And how would anyone know what NFL training camp entails?
It's like going into basic training. Unless you know someone who's been there and ask the questions, you have no idea what you've agreed to.
Is it their fault for not asking the questions? Different topic, but yes. I would agree that they should have done more research on what it takes to make it in the NFL. Hindsight at this point.

For starters, the minicamp in May, the OTAs in June, and any team or league rookie meetings or symposia. Being a rookie isn't that much different than starting any other job--if the new hire doesn't know exactly what's expected of him on start date, it's the employer's fault (and in this case, somebody needs to be fired).

It seems far more likely that the players--who, of course, aside from any scheduled activities also had access to the players, coaches and their agents, all of whom could have explained any conditioning tests to them--just didn't care enough to get it done. Say what you want about the applicability of wind sprints to actual NFL games, but it's like the drills at the Combine. It's a test where everybody knows the questions months in advance. Failing it is just stupid.

What may not have been adequately explained to Thomas and Kelly is that the depth chart at the skill positions isn't going to be fluid once the season starts. The Skins being in a new system means that even though Moss and Thrash have played in a WCO before, barring injury, there aren't going to be spare reps with the 1s for Thomas and Kelly. Barring injury, there isn't going to be an opportunity for either to get the chance to contribute more than situationally, because, by missing training camp, they haven't shown that they've earned it. Which of course doesn't amount to being a bust, but makes the team worse as a result. But that's just the way NFL rookie contracts go.