Phillip Daniels is under-rated

[Countertrey]

"TheRealistJoker" wrote:

Why are we talking about the one of the worst players we have on the team.

There you go, Fleetus. You FINALLY have ONE poster bashing Daniels.

Never mind that rushing off the edge has NEVER really been Daniels strength.

Never mind that Daniels is a major reason for our Defenses strength against the rush.

Never mind that Daniels would still make a fine DT, never mind that folks know he is not a solid edge rusher.
Don't bother actually reading any of the posts, joker... clearly, no one understands like you do.

[DaRealistJoka]

"TheRealistJoker" wrote:

Why are we talking about the one of the worst players we have on the team.

There you go, Fleetus. You FINALLY have ONE poster bashing Daniels.

Never mind that rushing off the edge has NEVER really been Daniels strength.

Never mind that Daniels is a major reason for our Defenses strength against the rush.

Never mind that Daniels would still make a fine DT, never mind that folks know he is not a solid edge rusher.
Don't bother actually reading any of the posts, joker... clearly, no one understands like you do.

:roll:

The one thing that bothers me about "posters" is their inability to explain their view w/o resulting to sarcasm. I guess that's your way of masking your point!

Never mind that rushing off the edge has NEVER really been Daniels strength.

I didn't state that it was Daniel's strength, and ALWAYS knew it wasn't his strength-the reason why I NEVER agreed with the Skins' acquiring Daniels. His inability to turn the corner in today's 'pass oriented' league is really making him obsolete.
-so you stating this was irrelevant.

Never mind that Daniels is a major reason for our Defenses strength against the rush.

Was his rush defense really in question?-NO, we're questioning his inability to apply pressure THAT is the biggest concern I have about Daniels! We play in a division that is mainly Pass First, Run Second; and that's in out division alone, and the same goes for the entire league--meaning this is not the 70's or 80's where it was ALMOST guaranteed that they would run on 1st/2nd down--how many games we lost last year on the fact that we couldn't apply pressure?
(HINT: 1st game DALLAS, 2nd game PHILLY, 1st game NYG, the PATRIOTS, and the playoff game SEAHAWKS--coming away with a win in Arizona w/ old *** Kurt Warner, had all day to throw the ball)

Never mind that Daniels would still make a fine DT, never mind that folks know he is not a solid edge rusher.

"A fine DT"...what to rush the passer?, even when he was at DT, in pass situations he couldn't collapse the pocket...what as a run stuffer?--OK, who do you take out A. Montgomery, who was our best DT last year, AND especially against the run, Golston, who came on strong last year, remember if your moving someone, you have to question who's coming out?

Don't bother actually reading any of the posts, joker... clearly, no one understands like you do.

How about you actually read the post, the post is talking about Daniels is overrated...I AM CLEARLY STATING MY OPINION ABOUT DANIELS AND OVERRATED SHOULD NOT BE USED IN THE SAME SENTENCE-basically he's garbage! In a 4-3 scheme the DE has to apply pressure-not necessary sacks but hurries are just as good-and he does neither. He would be perfect in a 3-4 scheme!

If you want to discuss a topic, let's be adults and voice our opinions-minus the sarcasm.

"Sarcasm is the refuge of losers."

[fleetus]

Ok, how many pass plays did Andre Carter end by himself last season? (please, I understand it takes 11 men to end most plays, but I'm lowering my argument to DaRealistic's level) Carter statistically ended 12.5 (10.5 sacks + 2 passes defensed) How many did Daniels end on his own? 11.5 (2.5 sacks, 9 PD) So, did you consider Andre Carter an effective DE last year? Now consider that Daniels is far superior against the run than Carter. In fact, in 2006 the word on the Skins D was that you simply did not run over RT. You could repeatedly run to the LG/LT but not the right. Most of our bad run defense games resulted from a ton of plays run to Andre Carter and AWAY from Daniels. In 2007 Carter got better against the run, thank God.

How about forced fumbles? Do they still count? or are we still only focused on sacks? Daniels led the team with 4 forced, 2 recovered.

Throughout the history of the NFL, left side defenders, usually lined up against the strong side with a TE, have been bigger, stronger run defenders while right side players (weak side) can afford to be smaller faster players. So I doubt Blache wants some lightweight pass rush specialist holding up the opponents main running lane over the RG/RT. Daniels DID move inside on the majority of 3rd down passing situations last year and is expected to do it again this year. He's a team leader who plays through injuries, trains like a mad man, is a run stuffer, good at batting passes down and forcing fumbles. The only thing he is not good at is speed rushing off the edge, which is NOT the primary duty of our LDE. He will be healthier entering this season and even stronger than last season. I think the people who dismiss his talents simply because of his sack totals are missing the point entirely.

[DaRealistJoka]

Ok, how many pass plays did Andre Carter end by himself last season? (please, I understand it takes 11 men to end most plays, but I'm lowering my argument to DaRealistic's level) Carter statistically ended 12.5 (10.5 sacks + 2 passes defensed) How many did Daniels end on his own? 11.5 (2.5 sacks, 9 PD) So, did you consider Andre Carter an effective DE last year? Now consider that Daniels is far superior against the run than Carter. In fact, in 2006 the word on the Skins D was that you simply did not run over RT. You could repeatedly run to the LG/LT but not the right. Most of our bad run defense games resulted from a ton of plays run to Andre Carter and AWAY from Daniels. In 2007 Carter got better against the run, thank God.

How about forced fumbles? Do they still count? or are we still only focused on sacks? Daniels led the team with 4 forced, 2 recovered.

Throughout the history of the NFL, left side defenders, usually lined up against the strong side with a TE, have been bigger, stronger run defenders while right side players (weak side) can afford to be smaller faster players. So I doubt Blache wants some lightweight pass rush specialist holding up the opponents main running lane over the RG/RT. Daniels DID move inside on the majority of 3rd down passing situations last year and is expected to do it again this year. He's a team leader who plays through injuries, trains like a mad man, is a run stuffer, good at batting passes down and forcing fumbles. The only thing he is not good at is speed rushing off the edge, which is NOT the primary duty of our LDE. He will be healthier entering this season and even stronger than last season. I think the people who dismiss his talents simply because of his sack totals are missing the point entirely.

Lmao,

(please, I understand it takes 11 men to end most plays, but I'm lowering my argument to DaRealistic's level)

Are we talking about Daniels or are we talking about a team effort? The post that you created is about #93, not the defense as a whole. So next time you try to take a shot, make sure it is relevant to the subject.

Carter statistically ended 12.5 (10.5 sacks + 2 passes defensed) How many did Daniels end on his own? 11.5 (2.5 sacks, 9 PD)

Since you believe you know it all, you are really going to argue that PD has the same effect as sacks and hurries ??? (Sacks, PD, and Hurries you put these terms in the same categories)
I do agree that PD ends a play, but sacks and hurries can result to end of play, turnovers, loss of yardage, change in momentum, and rattling a QB throughout a course of a game. Remember PD for lineman usually happens at the line of scrimmage when the player is unable to get pressure.

Look, I agree a sack is more beneficial than a pass defensed

This is weakening your argument. Hurries make the QB uncomfortable and can force them to make error throws. I would definitely take a sack or hurries over PD.

How about forced fumbles? Do they still count? or are we still only focused on sacks? Daniels led the team with 4 forced, 2 recovered

Carter had 4 forced as well. 3 of them that were recovered on there side of the field.

The only thing he is not good at is speed rushing off the edge, which is NOT the primary duty of our LDE.

Are you or have you ever been part of the Redskins coaching staff? Coming from you is not creditable of what players duties are. In a 4-3 scheme the DE usually smaller athletic guys that get up field to apply pressure on the QB
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[Irn-Bru]

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[Countertrey]

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From my initial response in this thread...

My concern about Daniels is NOT his ability to play. He is still a game changer... when he is healthy.

The concern is about his durability, and the lack of a quality understudy.