Daniels Suffers Knee Injury

[CanesSkins26]

This is exactly why myself and others harped all offseason about adding help on the defensive line. Now we're likely going to be forced to give up a high draft pick for yet another aging player in order to replace Daniels.

True, but I wouldn't lump Taylor in with that group. He's still more than effective and I believe he has chip on his shoulder right now. Jason is in incredible shape and playing opposite of Carter would give us dynamic bookends. Yes, he only has a few years left, but if he came here, I'd be willing to bet he leads the team in sacks and would be more effective than anyone we would have put there.

Hey, injuries happen and they can't be foreseen. Daniels was in great shape this summer. It happens. It sucks, but it does happen.

Taylor has said that he is only planning on playing one more season. So if we trade for Taylor we'll be giving up a valuable first day pick for a 34 year old player that will only be around for one season. That is an idiotic move and one that we are potentially having to make because we constantly ignore the defensive line in the draft. Since 1998 we have only drafted six defensive linemen and not a single one was taken higher than in the 5th round.

My intentions right now are to play one more year. I've tried to give the Dolphins the opportunity, if they wanted to do something and move me, then I was OK with that. If they can get value for me, then do that. That was the conversation we had behind closed doors a long time ago.

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[SkinsFreak]

Canes, I agree with you about not addressing the d-line. But harping on the past doesn't help us now. Taylor said that some time ago. How do you know that if traded, he wouldn't play for 3 more years? We don't know that right now and don't even know if the trade will happen.

But if it's such an idiotic move, as you say, now that Daniels and Buzbee are gone, what do you think they should do? What are their alternatives at this point?

[CanesSkins26]

Canes, I agree with you about not addressing the d-line. But harping on the past doesn't help us now. Taylor said that some time ago. How do you know that if traded, he wouldn't play for 3 more years? We don't know that right now and don't even know if the trade will happen.

But if it's such an idiotic move, as you say, now that Daniels and Buzbee are gone, what do you think they should do? What are their alternatives at this point?

I agree that he could always change his mind and decide to play another year or two. However, it's pretty clear that Taylor is interested in Hollywood, and I don't think that it's a good idea to trade a valuable high round pick for a guy that has publicly stated that he only wants to play one more year and who is already looking at his life after football.

As for what I would do, I would look at trade options, but for younger players. If I'm giving up a first day pick then I want to get a guy that I know is going to be here for at least 2-3 years. Taylor just doesn't fit the bill. If I can't get that younger player then I try to sign some fills-in without using our 2009 draft picks. Even before Daniels got hurt I was expecting this to be an 8-8 team and I just don't see the point in trading a high 2009 pick when we aren't Super Bowl contenders anyway.

[CanesSkins26]

Jay Glazer of Fox Sports is reporting that the Washington Redskins and Miami Dolphins have agreed to the terms of a trade that would send defensive end Jason Taylor to Washington in exchange for a second-round draft pick.

The teams are hoping to finalize the deal tonight, Glazer reports.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/20/taylor-to-redskins-for-second-round-pick/

So much for all of the talk about our front office having learned something.

[Gnome]

What do you mean "so much for our FO learning a lesson"?

Two D-ends are out for the season. That's a disaster. Trading a 2 for JT is a pick too high but this is a good trade. You play the game one season at a time and this season's D-Line was jacked by fate.

If this trade is legit then the FO has made a good move witht he 08 season IMO. Hopefully JT shows up with Cowboy blood in his eyes.

[CanesSkins26]

What do you mean "so much for our FO learning a lesson"?

Two D-ends are out for the season. That's a disaster. Trading a 2 for JT is a pick too high but this is a good trade. You play the game one season at a time and this season's D-Line was jacked by fate.

If this trade is legit then the FO has made a good move witht he 08 season IMO. Hopefully JT shows up with Cowboy blood in his eyes.

It's not a good move. It's a stupid move. If we were a legit contending team with only a hole at defensive end, then you make this kind of move. But trading a 2nd rounder for a guy that is most likely only going to be here for one season makes little sense.

[SkinsFreak]

Jay Glazer of Fox Sports is reporting that the Washington Redskins and Miami Dolphins have agreed to the terms of a trade that would send defensive end Jason Taylor to Washington in exchange for a second-round draft pick.

The teams are hoping to finalize the deal tonight, Glazer reports.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/20/taylor-to-redskins-for-second-round-pick/

So much for all of the talk about our front office having learned something.

Sorry, I don't agree, Canes. Their hand is forced. We lost 2 players the first day of camp and two weeks away from the start of preseason. And just to say you'd try to trade for younger guys, at this point, seems pretty far fetched. It's not a stupid move at this point and Taylor could stay here and be productive for two or three more years. He's in incredible shape and plays younger than his age would indicate. I don't believe the Skins would give up a 2nd rounder if they knew Taylor was only going to play for one year. You have no idea what Taylor would do if traded.

[CanesSkins26]

Their hand is forced. We lost 2 players the first day of camp and two weeks away from the start of preseason.

Their hand wasn't forced. They brought this on themselves by once again ignoring the dline and going into the season with a lot of age and no depth on that unit.

[VetSkinsFan]

One thing I havent' seen noted yet is that Taylor is RDE, weak side. He's going to play LDE for us. He will not be as effective here. I'm not really cool with this move, but I do realize that we have to do something...

[yupchagee]

One thing I havent' seen noted yet is that Taylor is RDE, weak side. He's going to play LDE for us. He will not be as effective here. I'm not really cool with this move, but I do realize that we have to do something...

I agree. He lacks the size & strength to play LDE every down, just like Carter.

[VetSkinsFan]

One thing I havent' seen noted yet is that Taylor is RDE, weak side. He's going to play LDE for us. He will not be as effective here. I'm not really cool with this move, but I do realize that we have to do something...

I agree. He lacks the size & strength to play LDE every down, just like Carter.

Taylor
6-6 Weight: 255 Age: 33

Carter
6-4 Weight: 252 Age: 29

[PulpExposure]

One thing I havent' seen noted yet is that Taylor is RDE, weak side. He's going to play LDE for us. He will not be as effective here. I'm not really cool with this move, but I do realize that we have to do something...

I agree. He lacks the size & strength to play LDE every down, just like Carter.

Taylor
6-6 Weight: 255 Age: 33

Carter
6-4 Weight: 252 Age: 29

Last year, the Giants lined up with Osi Umenyiora and Strahan as their two DE's.

Umenyiora:

6-3 261

Strahan

6-5 Weight: 255

They did okay, didn't they? Unless you think those 9 extra pounds was a huge difference maker.

We do need to draft DE talent, badly, but...by the time we picked in the 2nd round, there was only Calais Campbell on the board, whom SkinsCanez thought was a total project player. I'm not sure where the FO could have gone to get players...unless they drafted Merling with their first round, and then...wouldn't have gotten the WRs we desperately needed in the 2nd round.

[yupchagee]

One thing I havent' seen noted yet is that Taylor is RDE, weak side. He's going to play LDE for us. He will not be as effective here. I'm not really cool with this move, but I do realize that we have to do something...

I agree. He lacks the size & strength to play LDE every down, just like Carter.

Taylor
6-6 Weight: 255 Age: 33

Carter
6-4 Weight: 252 Age: 29

Last year, the Giants lined up with Osi Umenyiora and Strahan as their two DE's.

Umenyiora:

6-3 261

Strahan

6-5 Weight: 255

They did okay, didn't they? Unless you think those 9 extra pounds was a huge difference maker.

We do need to draft DE talent, badly, but...by the time we picked in the 2nd round, there was only Calais Campbell on the board, whom SkinsCanez thought was a total project player. I'm not sure where the FO could have gone to get players...unless they drafted Merling with their first round, and then...wouldn't have gotten the WRs we desperately needed in the 2nd round.

I'd have been happy with a good pass rusher & a good WR in the 1st 2 rnds.

[Gibbs4Life]

With Phillip coming in as strong as he was I was hoping for big things. However not taking potential into account and only based on last season this move amounts to an upgrade a DE for us. Taylor is quicker and has the strength to get to the QB. Daniels lacks speed not power, speed, and speed kills.

[VetSkinsFan]

One thing I havent' seen noted yet is that Taylor is RDE, weak side. He's going to play LDE for us. He will not be as effective here. I'm not really cool with this move, but I do realize that we have to do something...

I agree. He lacks the size & strength to play LDE every down, just like Carter.

Taylor
6-6 Weight: 255 Age: 33

Carter
6-4 Weight: 252 Age: 29

Last year, the Giants lined up with Osi Umenyiora and Strahan as their two DE's.

Umenyiora:

6-3 261

Strahan

6-5 Weight: 255

They did okay, didn't they? Unless you think those 9 extra pounds was a huge difference maker.

We do need to draft DE talent, badly, but...by the time we picked in the 2nd round, there was only Calais Campbell on the board, whom SkinsCanez thought was a total project player. I'm not sure where the FO could have gone to get players...unless they drafted Merling with their first round, and then...wouldn't have gotten the WRs we desperately needed in the 2nd round.

I don't think it's fair to compare ANYONE to Strahan. And if you recall, they ALSO had great tackles (Tuck will be HoFer IMO) and some schmuck named Pierce in the MLB in addition to good OLBs. They're defense was better than ours last year, plain and simple.

[fleetus]

Daniels Suffers Knee Injury

Bad news on the first day of training camp: defensive end Phillip Daniels suffered a left knee injury and was carted off the field.
Daniels, a 13-year veteran, could not put any weight on the leg as he was helped into the athletic trainer's room at Redskins Park.

The injury happened during 9-on-9 drills midway through Sunday's practice. His leg got caught between another lineman and he landed awkwardly.

The team will update Daniels's status later this afternoon.

Daniels was projected as the starting right defensive end. His backup is Demetric Evans.

The Redskins also have defensive end Erasmus James in camp.

James, a former first-round pick acquired in a trade this offseason, is sidelined early in camp as he continues to recover from knee ligament injuries.

James is expected to be available in mid-August, sometime before the end of training camp, according to head coach Jim Zorn

Daniels is one of our best team leaders. I hope he gets the support from us and his team that he has always given. I hope the media frenzy over the JT trade doesn't leave Daniels forgotten. he's a class guy and could always rehab his way back for the 2009 season.

[VetSkinsFan]

Daniels Suffers Knee Injury

Bad news on the first day of training camp: defensive end Phillip Daniels suffered a left knee injury and was carted off the field.
Daniels, a 13-year veteran, could not put any weight on the leg as he was helped into the athletic trainer's room at Redskins Park.

The injury happened during 9-on-9 drills midway through Sunday's practice. His leg got caught between another lineman and he landed awkwardly.

The team will update Daniels's status later this afternoon.

Daniels was projected as the starting right defensive end. His backup is Demetric Evans.

The Redskins also have defensive end Erasmus James in camp.

James, a former first-round pick acquired in a trade this offseason, is sidelined early in camp as he continues to recover from knee ligament injuries.

James is expected to be available in mid-August, sometime before the end of training camp, according to head coach Jim Zorn

Daniels is one of our best team leaders. I hope he gets the support from us and his team that he has always given. I hope the media frenzy over the JT trade doesn't leave Daniels forgotten. he's a class guy and could always rehab his way back for the 2009 season.

Realistically, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire after this injury. His body's taken a beating in the NFL and to recover from this COULD be too much to handle. At any rate, I wish him all the best.

[riggofan]

This stuff is so exasperating.

I swear if I were an NFL owner I would have all of my players practice wearing those lightweight knee braces that you get after you tear an ACL. Take them off only for games.

[GSPODS]

Daniels Suffers Knee Injury

Bad news on the first day of training camp: defensive end Phillip Daniels suffered a left knee injury and was carted off the field.
Daniels, a 13-year veteran, could not put any weight on the leg as he was helped into the athletic trainer's room at Redskins Park.

The injury happened during 9-on-9 drills midway through Sunday's practice. His leg got caught between another lineman and he landed awkwardly.

The team will update Daniels's status later this afternoon.

Daniels was projected as the starting right defensive end. His backup is Demetric Evans.

The Redskins also have defensive end Erasmus James in camp.

James, a former first-round pick acquired in a trade this offseason, is sidelined early in camp as he continues to recover from knee ligament injuries.

James is expected to be available in mid-August, sometime before the end of training camp, according to head coach Jim Zorn

Daniels is one of our best team leaders. I hope he gets the support from us and his team that he has always given. I hope the media frenzy over the JT trade doesn't leave Daniels forgotten. he's a class guy and could always rehab his way back for the 2009 season.

Realistically, I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire after this injury. His body's taken a beating in the NFL and to recover from this COULD be too much to handle. At any rate, I wish him all the best.

Let's hope not. That's an awful way to end a career for anyone, but especially for someone who puts as much into the game as Phillip Daniels. Daniels is a consummate professional by all accounts, and he deserves better than to have his career end like this.

[BnGhog]

What do you mean "so much for our FO learning a lesson"?

Two D-ends are out for the season. That's a disaster. Trading a 2 for JT is a pick too high but this is a good trade. You play the game one season at a time and this season's D-Line was jacked by fate.

If this trade is legit then the FO has made a good move witht he 08 season IMO. Hopefully JT shows up with Cowboy blood in his eyes.

It's not a good move. It's a stupid move. If we were a legit contending team with only a hole at defensive end, then you make this kind of move. But trading a 2nd rounder for a guy that is most likely only going to be here for one season makes little sense.

Your argument don't hold up in the real world.

True, we should have drafted someone. But all the Top DEs in the draft were taken. We should have drafted the next best guy, who cares if they wouldn't have made a push for a starting position, who cares if Wilson and Buzz is better than the guys still left on the draft board. Draft them anyway. How would that put is in better shape? Right now we would be with Wilson, James, Buss, Carter, Danniels, Evans. And the a Draft pick who is unproven, inexperienced, who don't know the system well, AND who was not one of the top DE's in the draft. We would still Go get JT.

You say that you would only make this move if we had a contending team. Yeah, you be the high Paid GM and tell Danny that his team in no contender, and we shouldn't even try to fill the spot with a good player.

You would be fired sir. Its a good way of thinking, But your job as GM would be to find that guy to fill the gap. JT is the only guy on the market, there is no choice.

I see what you are saying, but every year, the teams goal is SB. If you think we can get there or not that is the team goal. If you were GM and told the Owner to scrap that goal for this year you would be fired. There is a hole you need to fill it. You can say "but Dan, but, but ,but sir. You don't understand." You will be "but, but" on your way out the door.

[GSPODS]

JT is the only guy on the market, there is no choice.

That's not 100% accurate.

Simeon Rice is a free agent.

I'm laughing because Rice is what the Redskins would have done a couple of years ago. Skip Taylor, go for Rice. After all, Rice's numbers are slightly better. Who cares about his age or his health?

This Redskins Front Office has gotten much better.

[BnGhog]

Lets try Todd Wade at DE.

That might work.

[Irn-Bru]

True, we should have drafted someone. But all the Top DEs in the draft were taken. We should have drafted the next best guy, who cares if they wouldn't have made a push for a starting position, who cares if Wilson and Buzz is better than the guys still left on the draft board. Draft them anyway. How would that put is in better shape? Right now we would be with Wilson, James, Buss, Carter, Danniels, Evans. And the a Draft pick who is unproven, inexperienced, who don't know the system well, AND who was not one of the top DE's in the draft. We would still Go get JT.

I agree with this 100%.

My consolation with the D-line issue is that at least we are much younger and deeper with the D-line than we were with the O-line last year. This injury is bad, but it happened early enough that we can at least do something about it.

(Imagine if we lost Daniels in the first game, Andre Carter in the second game, and one of our starting DTs had nagging injuries all year. That was how bad our O-line situation was last year!)

[PulpExposure]

I don't think it's fair to compare ANYONE to Strahan. And if you recall, they ALSO had great tackles (Tuck will be HoFer IMO) and some schmuck named Pierce in the MLB in addition to good OLBs.

My point, Vet, is that size alone doesn't determine how effective your DEs will be. And if there's any DE in the game nowadays you can compare to Strahan, it's Taylor. He's that good.

And to address your points in turn: Justin Tuck is a great passrushing DT...but he wasn't even a starting DT for the Giants last year (he started a whole 2 games for them last year...). He's a passrusher. To say he'll be a Hall of Famer...that's extrapolating a lot out of him exploiting having Strahan and Umenyiora taking on double teams on the outside last year. This year he'll be a starting DE (replacing Strahan). Last year, the starting DTs for the Giants were Barry Cofield and Fred Robbins. Neither of which are exactly great tackles.

Pierce is good, but so is London Fletcher. Their OLBs aren't good...last year they had Zak DeOssie and Gerrit Wilkenson play (Kiwanuka was out for the season early). If healthy, I'd take Rocky and Marcus over both of those guys in a heartbeat.

They're defense was better than ours last year, plain and simple.

Agreed, though not much better than us; they were ranked 7th, we were ranked 8th...

[VetSkinsFan]

I don't think it's fair to compare ANYONE to Strahan. And if you recall, they ALSO had great tackles (Tuck will be HoFer IMO) and some schmuck named Pierce in the MLB in addition to good OLBs.

My point, Vet, is that size alone doesn't determine how effective your DEs will be. And if there's any DE in the game nowadays you can compare to Strahan, it's Taylor. He's that good.

And to address your points in turn: Justin Tuck is a great passrushing DT...but he wasn't even a starting DT for the Giants last year (he started a whole 2 games for them last year...). He's a passrusher. To say he'll be a Hall of Famer...that's extrapolating a lot out of him exploiting having Strahan and Umenyiora taking on double teams on the outside last year. This year he'll be a starting DE (replacing Strahan). Last year, the starting DTs for the Giants were Barry Cofield and Fred Robbins. Neither of which are exactly great tackles.

Pierce is good, but so is London Fletcher. Their OLBs aren't good...last year they had Zak DeOssie and Gerrit Wilkenson play (Kiwanuka was out for the season early). If healthy, I'd take Rocky and Marcus over both of those guys in a heartbeat.

They're defense was better than ours last year, plain and simple.

Agreed, though not much better than us; they were ranked 7th, we were ranked 8th...

I'm going to just agree to disagree. I don't want this to get into a e-peen contest.