A prayer is needed for one of the raiders

[Black Widow]

Javon Walker found beaten up in Las Vegas

http://www.ktnv.com/global/story.asp?s=8516409

[Fios]

Fortunately, it appears he will be OK:

Raiders coach Lane Kiffin, saying he spoke to Walker on Wednesday morning, said, "He sounds really well and he's doing well."
Kiffin said Walker was flying back to the Bay Area on Wednesday night.
"The information I have at this point is he's going to be fine," Kiffin said. "Training camp won't even be an issue."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 11BCJE.DTL

[Countertrey]

Police say after he left the club, someone jumped Javon, beat him up and stole more than $100,000 in cash and jewelry.

Who is stupid enough to run around clubbing with that kind of cash and bling. Idiot.

I'm glad he wasn't seriously hurt, but, jeeze... at what point should one use a little common sense???

[ChocolateMilk]

i got no sympathy for this guy. After Darrent Williams "died in his arms" he said he kept the bloody shirt to remind him. And to keep things in perspective ya know? He knows 1st hand what partying like that can lead to. And yet he still went out and did it.

[JansenFan]

I'm guessing none of you are remembering how it felt to read people bashing Sean Taylor for bringing his own murder on himself. I understand that this situation is completely different, just saying that a little compassion can't hurt. It's not like he sprayed champagne on you. And really, is having champagne sprayed on you in a night club really an acceptable reason to murder or beat someone senseless?

[ChocolateMilk]

I'm guessing none of you are remembering how it felt to read people bashing Sean Taylor for bringing his own murder on himself. I understand that this situation is completely different, just saying that a little compassion can't hurt. It's not like he sprayed champagne on you. And really, is having champagne sprayed on you in a night club really an acceptable reason to murder or beat someone senseless?

im not saying it is, what im saying is that hes been in the same situation before and one of his teammates was shot and killed. you would think if something like that happend to him he would have learned his lesson.

[JansenFan]

It was certainly bad judgement on his part, however, we should be lambasting the people that did this to him instead of calling him stupid.

[Cappster]

It was certainly bad judgement on his part, however, we should be lambasting the people that did this to him instead of calling him stupid.

I would say it was ignorance on his part to carry 10k in his pocket walking the streets of LV in the wee hours of the morning. The robbers are scum bags and no one can argue that fact. On the flip side, he is a millionaire carrying a lot of cash and from what I here sprayed his "drink" on some unsuspecting individuals. A person has to know better than to put their self into a situation like he did given his stature.

[Countertrey]

It was certainly bad judgement on his part, however, we should be lambasting the people that did this to him instead of calling him stupid.

What the hell? So, now, just because there are scumbags on the earth, no one is responsible for their own pathetic judgment????

JF, if you go partying in DC, flashing big time bling, and acting like an idiot, you don't think you have made yourself a target????

Holy crap!

No comparison with the idiots who were blaming Taylor for his own demise. There is a huge difference. Taylor's downfall was friends and family who were apparently bragging on him. This idiot did it to himself. And, worse, he knew EXACTLY the kind of scum who are drawn to his party scene.

[VetSkinsFan]

I think the point is have some compassion for tragedies. Regardless if he made himself a target or not, it's still messed up this happened to him.

[GSPODS]

What kind of warped logic is there in blaming the victim?

Nobody asks to be the victim of aggravated robbery. If Walker had been wearing plastic reproductions of jewelry instead of the genuine article, does anyone think it would have made any difference in whether or not he was a victim? Of course it wouldn't have. The only difference would be in the value of the items stolen. The crime and the punishment are exactly the same.

Somebody saw something they wanted.
They decided to take it.
It happens with things much less valuable than $100K. Children and teenagers have been beaten and killed for their jackets and shoes. Do we blame them, too? "Well, Billy, if you hadn't been wearing that NFL Offically Licensed Redskins jacket to school, you wouldn't have gotten your face bashed in by someone who wanted to steal it from you."

Warped Logic.

[Countertrey]

I think the point is have some compassion for tragedies. Regardless if he made himself a target or not, it's still messed up this happened to him.

This is no tragedy. He got beat up, robbed, went to the hospital, and left. Hardly a tragedy. All that is truly lost is the man's pride and his jewels.

The point is, if you go into a high crime area with lots of bling, and flashing bills, don't expect to leave with it.

It's a simple concept, really.

Totally predictable outcome.

Only the arrogant, the stupid, or both would enter such a place expecting any other outcome. I'll not feel sorry, in either case.

Simple. None of this relieves the criminal the responsibility... on the other hand, any potential victim would be well served to do a little risk mitigation.

If you walk onto the Capital Beltway, across traffic, at 6 PM, the outcome is equally predictable, and equally stupid.

GSPODS: Red Herring. Not the same. This is an adult, who should know better, who has had the experience of watching a friend killed over something equally stupid, and who, clearly, did not learn from the horrible experience. Stupid.

Should you be able to safely walk around in public, displaying your wealth and arrogance for all the world to see? Yes.

Is that reality? No. Act accordingly.

[GSPODS]

GSPODS: Red Herring. Not the same. This is an adult, who should know better, who has had the experience of watching a friend killed over something equally stupid, and who, clearly, did not learn from the horrible experience. Stupid.

It is the same. Blaming the victim is blaming the victim.
If a 12 year old kills an adult for a jacket or a pair of shoes or jewelry, is it any different? Should an adult know a twelve year old would do that?
It has happened. Remember "Air Jordans?"
Under what circumstances do you blame the criminal? All of them.
Under what circumstances do you blame the victim? Only if he's wealthy and stupid? What about poor and stupid victims? What about intelligent victims? Not everyone has sense. We know that. But if we held that against everyone, we'd have no politicians, no religions and about three laws.

[Countertrey]

But if we held that against everyone, we'd have no politicians, no religions and about three laws.

Actually, we'd begin with the lawyers. Three laws is about right.

I think the guy is an idiot, and is not deserving of sympathy. You don't like it. Not my problem.

As I have pointed out, if you stick your hand in fire, it will get burned. If you cross a busy freeway at rush hour you will not get to the other side. If you flash bling and cash at a dark party spot, expect someone to separate you from it. Is is right? NO. Is it how it is? Yes. You have some responsibility to behave in a responsible manner, and to protect yourself against those who would do you harm. No thinking individual travels with 100K in bling and cash, much less shows it off to a crowd he knows nothing of.

Any LIBERTARIAN would understand that.

[JansenFan]

Are you saying it is a Libertarian ideal to allow the speration of belongings from people dumb enough to show them to you? Does teh libertarian quest for liberty go so far as to promote this type of behavior? I'm sure that's not what you are saying, but it sure comes out that way.

And back to the subject, if a college girl goes to a frat party and is drugged and raped, do you feel the same? She went to a frat party showing off herself. Did she bring this on herself? Will you call her stupid?

[VetSkinsFan]

But if we held that against everyone, we'd have no politicians, no religions and about three laws.

Actually, we'd begin with the lawyers. Three laws is about right.

I think the guy is an idiot, and is not deserving of sympathy. You don't like it. Not my problem.

As I have pointed out, if you stick your hand in fire, it will get burned. If you cross a busy freeway at rush hour you will not get to the other side. If you flash bling and cash at a dark party spot, expect someone to separate you from it. Is is right? NO. Is it how it is? Yes. You have some responsibility to behave in a responsible manner, and to protect yourself against those who would do you harm. No thinking individual travels with 100K in bling and cash, much less shows it off to a crowd he knows nothing of.

Any LIBERTARIAN would understand that.

After this, there's nothing to argue. This opinion is obviously lacking compassion and too obtuse to reason with.

[DEHog]

I think it’s important to remember that Walker had a teammate die in his hands less then two years ago.
All reports say the Walkers actions may have had something to do with. Now we hear he was in a club doing it again?? You’d think a guy would learn after having something so tragic happen to a friend. I understand what CT is saying very hard to have sympathy when it appears he may have brought it on himself. I’m not saying he dissevered it…but I’m neither, popular or rich and I know better than to do the things he did.

[Countertrey]

Ya'll can spin this to my being "obtuse" and "obviously lacking compassion" all you want. This guy is an idiot.

There is a reason I travel in "safe" places with no cash. This guy shows up in thug haven showing off 100K. Duh.

DE gets it. So, who is obtuse?

Are you saying it is a Libertarian ideal to allow the speration of belongings from people dumb enough to show them to you?

It is a libertarian (Lower case L... the word libertarian does not belong to the party) ideal to be responsible for ones own behavior, and to be accountable for the consequences thereof. If you do something that is totally stupid, don't expect society to coddle you. Showing off 100K in cash and bling is stupid.

I will endorse the cops seeking and arresting the thugs who took it, and who beat up the idiot. I will endorse the courts trying and convicting them. I will endorse the people of Nevada in incarcerating those individuals.

And I will continue to believe the "victim" to have been an idiot. This crime would not have occured had he used a modicum of common sense.

This is specific. Efforts to paint me as a grinch are crap. But... whatever floats your boat.

[GSPODS]

This crime would not have occured had he used a modicum of common sense.

I'll grant you this. But there is no law requiring Americans to have a modicum of sense, otherwise the population would be reduced by roughly 75%. The closest we come to that law is the one that says that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. There is also no law against being an idiot, a moron or a mental defective. Look at the people who run the country.

[Countertrey]

This crime would not have occured had he used a modicum of common sense.

I'll grant you this. But there is no law requiring Americans to have a modicum of sense, otherwise the population would be reduced by roughly 75%. The closest we come to that law is the one that says that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. There is also no law against being an idiot, a moron or a mental defective. Look at the people who run the country.

There is also no law that requires I have sympathy towards a self-destructive idiot.

[GSPODS]

This crime would not have occured had he used a modicum of common sense.

I'll grant you this. But there is no law requiring Americans to have a modicum of sense, otherwise the population would be reduced by roughly 75%. The closest we come to that law is the one that says that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. There is also no law against being an idiot, a moron or a mental defective. Look at the people who run the country.

There is also no law that requires I have sympathy towards a self-destructive idiot.

True. But there is a law that says you can't shoot people too stupid to live.
You're also far more intelligent than the average professional athelete.
For every Bernie Kosar and Steve Young, there's 20 Rod Smart's and Rae Carruth's.

[Countertrey]

This crime would not have occured had he used a modicum of common sense.

I'll grant you this. But there is no law requiring Americans to have a modicum of sense, otherwise the population would be reduced by roughly 75%. The closest we come to that law is the one that says that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. There is also no law against being an idiot, a moron or a mental defective. Look at the people who run the country.

There is also no law that requires I have sympathy towards a self-destructive idiot.

True. But there is a law that says you can't shoot people too stupid to live.
You're also far more intelligent than the average professional athelete.
For every Bernie Kosar and Steve Young, there's 20 Rod Smart's and Rae Carruth's.

I fail to grasp how this relates to the prevailing (and erroneous) opinion in this thread that I am a heartless bastage for considering Walker to be an idiot. I am not advocating shooting him, merely pointing out that he does not deserve sympathy for his stupidity.

Rod Smart, to my recollection, was merely hated by his brother ("He Hate Me"), while Rae Carruth may deserve to be shot. but not for stupidity.

[GSPODS]

This crime would not have occured had he used a modicum of common sense.

I'll grant you this. But there is no law requiring Americans to have a modicum of sense, otherwise the population would be reduced by roughly 75%. The closest we come to that law is the one that says that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. There is also no law against being an idiot, a moron or a mental defective. Look at the people who run the country.

There is also no law that requires I have sympathy towards a self-destructive idiot.

True. But there is a law that says you can't shoot people too stupid to live.
You're also far more intelligent than the average professional athelete.
For every Bernie Kosar and Steve Young, there's 20 Rod Smart's and Rae Carruth's.

I fail to grasp how this relates to the prevailing (and erroneous) opinion in this thread that I am a heartless bastage for considering Walker to be an idiot. I am not advocating shooting him, merely pointing out that he does not deserve sympathy for his stupidity.

Rod Smart, to my recollection, was merely hated by his brother ("He Hate Me"), while Rae Carruth may deserve to be shot. but not for stupidity.

I suppose I should have been more specific. No amount of money or talent gives a person any sense. I don't see how thinking Walker is "an idiot" is heartless. Given what we do know, he's the last person one would think would do anything to draw attention to himself. He's a dumbass. That doesn't mean he should be blamed, or that he deserved what he got.
It simply means he's a dumbass. And most professional atheletes are.

[yupchagee]

I suppose I should have been more specific. No amount of money or talent gives a person any sense. I don't see how thinking Walker is "an idiot" is heartless. Given what we do know, he's the last person one would think would do anything to draw attention to himself. He's a dumbass. That doesn't mean he should be blamed, or that he deserved what he got.
It simply means he's a dumbass. And most professional atheletes are.

This is by no means limited to pro athletes. Remember Yupster's tautology: 1/2 of the people have below average intelligence. It's just that when a celeb does something really stupid, it's in all the papers.

Also doing something stupid doesn't mean that the person is stupid. Smart people do stupid things all the time.

[JansenFan]

I conceded in my original post that he used bad judgement. CT, your posts just came across as it should be ok to beat someone's ass for being stupid. On top of that, you seemed to take it to heart. As if I somehow insulted you by asking why every post before mine bashed the guy who got his ass kicked and none mentioned the people who beat his ass.

Did I strike a nerve?