One question for you. You call yourself a "bleeding heart liberal." Since you consider society to be the root of all evil and responsible for everything bad that happens in this country, why are you a self described bleeding heart liberal who wants to grow government power making society responsible for everything in our lives? Isn't that making the devil God? Think about it
Its what I expect to be called for despairing at the state of things especially when in the past facing a 'kill them all and let God sort them out attitude' Now this is not what you said so my statement was out of place. I don't have a sweeping political opinion and despite what it seems I do not empathise with the people who were responsible for Sean's death, I need to make that clear. I earnestly don't agree with the Death Penalty because it tends to only affect the poorest people. I promise you I want the killers to suffer the weight of justice but not the death penalty.
You write off the break in and murder of innocent people as being "victimized" by poverty and social deprivation? I write it off as greed and moral depravity.
Honestly I don't write it off to victims of poverty I wish I could convince you of that and moral depravity is a major reason, you bet. Please don't believe I hum ho about the poor killers I don't. I just despair about the state of things when this happens and for that matter that people will use religion as a justifcation for atrocity. All those things make me despair.
My post does not do me any justice but typed words often get read in many ways, I assure you I have moral fibre and I pride myself of my ethical responsibility. We are indeed responsible for our actions but no man is an Island and the Island seems pretty shot to pieces.
Thanks for the debate though and luck and happiness to you and yours
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MIAMI -- Prosecutors in Miami say a fifth person has been charged in the slaying of Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor.
Miami-Dade County State Attorney's Office spokesman Ed Griffith said Wednesday that 16-year-old Timothy Brown is charged with first-degree murder under a sealed warrant.
Taylor died of massive blood loss after he was shot at his Miami-area home during a botched robbery in November. The 24-year-old safety had made the Pro Bowl in 2006 and 2007.
Brown is being held in Lee County. It's not immediately known when he'll be transferred to Miami-Dade County to face the charge.
Trial for the four Fort Myers-area suspects is currently scheduled for Aug. 25.
You can't sentence a minor to death! Its that simple. I'm as angry as anyone.
Why not? He was "man" enough to pull the trigger.
Life is prison IS worse than death!!!!
If that's true, why aren't more murderers begging for the death penalty?
As any of the attorney's in this discussion can tell you...according to the inmates in prison, there is no such thing as a guilty person in prison. They all claim to be innocent, had bad lawyers or were convicted because the police provided false evidence. An inmate who was convicted because there were 25 witnesses and 5 different video's of the event will steadfastly proclaim his/her innocense.
I do believe in the death penalty. It gets frustrating seeing people who care more for the rights of the criminal than they do for the rights of the victim. There are numerous organizations whose sole purpose is to protect the rights of the criminal. I know of no organization whose sole purpose is to protect the rights of the victims. I seriously wonder how some of these anti-death penalty people would feel if it was their child or wife or husband that was senselessly murdered. Would they be so forgiving? I doubt that most would be.
Why is it that these people have rights but they didn't give Sean Taylor any right to live? Where was his trial? Where was his attorney? Where was his appeal? The four, now five, were judge, jury and executioner. No trial! No attorney! No opportunity for appeal!
They made a choice knowing that there was the possibility that someone could be shot or killed. Even a 17 year old knows that. Hang them!!!
They made a choice knowing that there was the possibility that someone could be shot or killed. Even a 17 year old knows that. Hang them!!!
My question was rhetorical, but I absolutely agree with your sentiment.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
You can't sentence a minor to death! Its that simple. I'm as angry as anyone.
Why not? He was "man" enough to pull the trigger.
Life is prison IS worse than death!!!!
If that's true, why aren't more murderers begging for the death penalty?
Because the Supreme Court said so. Only a constitutional amendment or another Supreme Court decision can overturn that.
The Constitution means nothing to the Supreme Court. If it did, the Federal Government would be 1/10th it's current size, the FIT would still be a leftist fantasy, and evil would still be evil.
You did not respond to the second question. If "life" is so bad, how come more murderers are not demanding death?
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
BadgerKing wrote:Thanks for the debate though and luck and happiness to you and yours
Same! I do like to argue. Not sure if you noticed I said several times I'm opposed to the death penalty as well. But calling the murderers who called the shots through the whole dreadful sequence of events "victims" is beyond my imagination.
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You can't sentence a minor to death! Its that simple. I'm as angry as anyone.
Why not? He was "man" enough to pull the trigger.
Life is prison IS worse than death!!!!
If that's true, why aren't more murderers begging for the death penalty?
Because the Supreme Court said so. Only a constitutional amendment or another Supreme Court decision can overturn that.
The Constitution means nothing to the Supreme Court. If it did, the Federal Government would be 1/10th it's current size, the FIT would still be a leftist fantasy, and evil would still be evil.
You did not respond to the second question. If "life" is so bad, how come more murderers are not demanding death?
I agree that the Supreme Court ignores the constitution when it suits them, I'm not defending them, just stating reality. I never said that life is worse than the death penalty.
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Well nice to have a balanced argument, I bet I make you made enough to kill! I do think there are nothing but victims, true murdered victims and victims of poverty and social deprevation. I know I am a bleeding heart liberal but if a society thinks its better than a killer because it puts him in a small room in front of an audience and kills him with legal process! then the society is flat our crazy. The state has no business killing its own citizens. I love the USA because it formed itself to escape tyranny and hanging societies like my country in the past. The USA should be the model for civilized society not in the same place as China!
BK, millions of individuals around the world are immersed in "poverty and social deprivation" for their entire lives. Some of them have the luck and strength of will to escape those situations; others muddle on to the end of their days. Very few of them commit murder.
I'm very sorry, but the thought that poverty/poor social standing somehow entitles one to perpetrate acts of random violence upon other innocent individuals is entirely misguided and reeks of an unhealthy dose of socialism-induced, reverse-entitlement societal shame.
"No one played with more heart."
-Clinton Portis on Sean Taylor
As of 11/27/07, I resolve to never again read any version of the Washington Post.
My brother in law did about 3 years in the late 80s and he said it wasn't that bad. How much info he withheld is up in the air since he's passed now, but that's what he told me.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
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The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
MIAMI -- One of five suspects charged in the slaying of Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor has pleaded guilty to charges of second-degree murder and burglary.
Defense attorney Michael Hornung said Thursday that according to the plea agreement, Venjah Hunte will serve 29 years in prison and cooperate with prosecutors.
Hunte pleaded guilty on Friday but prosecutors requested the plea agreement be sealed because investigators were pursuing the fifth suspect, Hornung said.
That suspect, 16-year-old Timothy Brown, was charged Wednesday with first-degree murder and armed burglary of an occupied dwelling.
Brown was arrested in Lee County about 2:30 p.m. Tuesday, Miami-Dade Police said in a statement. He was awaiting transport to Miami-Dade County.
Brown did not yet have an attorney on record with the prosecutor's office, Griffith said, and it has not been determined if he will be tried with the four other suspects.
Court documents and police reports had previously suggested five people were involved in Taylor's death, but only four were originally charged.
Taylor, 24, died of massive blood loss after he was shot at his Miami-area home in November during a botched robbery. A trial for the four Fort Myers-area suspects is scheduled for Aug. 25.
Richard Sharpstein, a Miami defense attorney who has acted as spokesman for the Taylor family, expressed gratitude Wednesday for authorities' work on the case.
"The family is thankful that the investigation continues and that all individuals responsible for Sean's death meet harsh justice," he said.
Sharpstein said he could not speak about the facts of the case because of a gag order.
Well nice to have a balanced argument, I bet I make you made enough to kill! I do think there are nothing but victims, true murdered victims and victims of poverty and social deprevation. I know I am a bleeding heart liberal but if a society thinks its better than a killer because it puts him in a small room in front of an audience and kills him with legal process! then the society is flat our crazy. The state has no business killing its own citizens. I love the USA because it formed itself to escape tyranny and hanging societies like my country in the past. The USA should be the model for civilized society not in the same place as China!
Victims? They kill a man, and they are the victims?
Granted Sean Taylor was the direct victim. His family can be considered direct victims. The families of these kids could be considered indirect victims, but they are all victims of the same crimials...the kids who did this horrible thing.
This isn't about being a victim of poverty. This isn't about being a victim of social deprivation. Those two phrases are about abolving someone of their personal responsibility.
P.S. I still get choked up watching him on TIVO and YouTube. I'll miss you forever!
Me too. We miss you, Sean.
Me three million, certainly I just want this thing to go away already. I just want to remember Sean for what he gave the Redskins nation. I also hope the best for Seans daughter and family. This whole thing just sucks out loud. I still cant fathom the fact that somebody or some group of people would want or try to take something from him.
I dont know if Sean knew it or not, but Sean was everything a football player should strive to be. He was a never take a play off type of guy. I loved him and always will.
Hail to the Redskins! I am tired of being sad! Let the good times roll!
