Rookie Salary Cap

[GSPODS]

"having unproven rookies with such immense salary power is no way to operate a league; is unfair to veterans"

"No one agrees more than NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who wistfully comments on how the NFL needs to copy the NBA’s cost controls."

"the NFL is where the control is with the league. But on this one undeniable issue, Stern has what Goodell only possesses in his dreams."

"The NBA by controlling rookie salaries for at least three seasons, has set up a sort of in-house developmental league. A team has plenty of time to not only analyze ability, but even improve it before making the decision on a major deal."

"The NFL has no such luxury, making the top of the draft the ultimate high stakes crap shoot."

“A salary structure definitely makes sense from a league standpoint and from a team standpoint,” Conley said. “From an athlete perspective, we’ll keep it.”

The NFLPA has vowed to fight any rookie salary structure, but Goodell has already begun framing the debate not as an owners vs. players clash, but a veterans vs. rookies (or future rookies) battle. As owners swim in revenue, Goodell can’t cry poverty. He can argue fairness.

“I think it’s important to veteran players personally,” Goodell said at last month’s league meetings. “As a veteran player, you’ve proven your performance on an NFL field and that should be rewarded.

“When you see players come in (who) have not played in the NFL and it’s unclear as to whether they will be able to play at a certain level in the NFL, I think that’s a fair point.

“It’s not necessarily saving dollars but putting dollars to the players who should get them.”

If Goodell can get this one done, he will have finished a virtual clean sweep against the NFLPA.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

[yupchagee]

"having unproven rookies with such immense salary power is no way to operate a league; is unfair to veterans"

"No one agrees more than NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who wistfully comments on how the NFL needs to copy the NBA’s cost controls."

"the NFL is where the control is with the league. But on this one undeniable issue, Stern has what Goodell only possesses in his dreams."

"The NBA by controlling rookie salaries for at least three seasons, has set up a sort of in-house developmental league. A team has plenty of time to not only analyze ability, but even improve it before making the decision on a major deal."

"The NFL has no such luxury, making the top of the draft the ultimate high stakes crap shoot."

“A salary structure definitely makes sense from a league standpoint and from a team standpoint,” Conley said. “From an athlete perspective, we’ll keep it.”

The NFLPA has vowed to fight any rookie salary structure, but Goodell has already begun framing the debate not as an owners vs. players clash, but a veterans vs. rookies (or future rookies) battle. As owners swim in revenue, Goodell can’t cry poverty. He can argue fairness.

“I think it’s important to veteran players personally,” Goodell said at last month’s league meetings. “As a veteran player, you’ve proven your performance on an NFL field and that should be rewarded.

“When you see players come in (who) have not played in the NFL and it’s unclear as to whether they will be able to play at a certain level in the NFL, I think that’s a fair point.

“It’s not necessarily saving dollars but putting dollars to the players who should get them.”

If Goodell can get this one done, he will have finished a virtual clean sweep against the NFLPA.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

I am opposed to all caps in sports. What do people have against free enterprise?

[Skinsfan55]

In sports salary caps are necessary. The NFL is so huge today in part because the salary cap levels the playing field enough that anyone can win it all year in and year out.

The Giants are a pretty average team, but they knocked off the Patriots this season.

Imagine if New England had 5 $15 million offensive linemen on the field along with Moss, Brady and Walker...

Football is fine the way it is, WITH the cap... and a rookie cap would be a brilliant idea. Why should someone unproven be given so much guaranteed?

[KazooSkinsFan]

I am opposed to all caps in sports. What do people have against free enterprise?

Pretty safe to say I'm for "free enterprise" and my two favorite pro teams are limited severely by caps, the Redskins and the Red Wings, so I would love to not have them.

But the cap issue and free enterprise isn't like McDonalds and Burger King or Airlines where you benefit when the other is harmed and you gain market share if they go out of business. In reality the NFL is the business, not the Redskins. There are teams in many markets that just can't generate the revenue and if they fail or put a poor team on the field it hurts us as well. If caps harm the customers, us, enough, then other leagues could form without them and defeat the NFL. THAT is free enterprise.

[flamethrower]

The rookie cap is a good idea Why should the No1 pick be paid almost franchise experienced QB money. Even thou he has yet to play a single down. This is the only thing that Stern has done that I totally agree with. on the above topic.

[BnGhog]

I agree with rookie caps. I don't think it should be for 3 years like the NBA. But more like one year.

After one year of training camp and the season a coach should no how much talent a guy has. And some guys could make a huge difference in only one year, those guys should get the money they deserve.

[GSPODS]

The problem, as I see it, is that the worst teams are the ones spending the most money on draft picks. They are also eating the most cap space if the draft picks are cut. Because of that, the worst teams are being limited on their cap space. If that same bad team gets another top three pick the following season, they have another huge contract to pay, but they still have dead cap space from the previous top 10 draft pick cut the previous season. A team could easily have $10 Million or more tied up in dead cap space and one top 10 draft pick. Having 20% of any team's cap space eaten in this way is bad for the entire league. A bad team can't improve without cap space. It also affects revenue sharing. It affects the competition committee and any future Collective Bargaining Agreement negotiations.

I think the best way to handle this situation is either to create a rookie cap, or to not count draft pick contracts towards the cap in the first year.

[PulpExposure]

Here's my biggest problem.

Jake Long is the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

That's just wrong.

[GSPODS]

Here's my biggest problem.

Jake Long is the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

That's just wrong.

Not only the highest paid lineman, but look at how many tenured ProBowl veterans are making less than Long is. Think about the impact these rookie contracts have on a team's ability to re-sign their own free agents.
A team can't have a third of their salary cap tied up in three players and expect to become competitive.

I have been of the opinion for a long time that NFL salaries should be based upon position, tenure and performance. If players don't want to play a game for the salary offered, they should go bag groceries a la Kurt Warner. If the cure for cancer and AIDS is worth less investment than football players is, that speaks volumes about how far out of line American priorities have become, and it explains why our country is in its current state of disrepair.

In the real world, that is how we are all paid. Let's all go to our employers and say that we are no longer employees. We are now professional atheletes and entertainers and we want signing bonuses, roster bonuses, and guaranteed contracts. How would that go over? Wait. I'm special. You'll have to discuss my employment with my agent.

I would play harder and for less money than most of the professional atheletes I've seen, because I love the game more than I care about the money. There don't seem to be many atheletes left who play that way.

[Fios]

Here's my biggest problem.

Jake Long is the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

That's just wrong.

I love it and plan on using the same approach at Google:

Me: "Man, I would love to work here"

Googley-Eyed Google Guy: "You should apply"

Me: "I will, please give me eleventy billion dollars"

GEGG: "Um, you haven't done anything yet"

Me: "I could potentially be the greatest employee ever"

GEGG: "You could potentially be a thief"

Me: "Way to focus on the negative there Debbie Downer"

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF"

GEGG: "You hired an agent?"

Me: "Look, we feel it's pretty clear you hate your customers, otherwise you would pay me before I work and not deprive them of the chance to perhaps benefit from my work. Plus you hate puppies ... and kittens."

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF/PRESS CONFERENCE"

Me: "Just like the Founding Fathers drew it up."

[GSPODS]

Here's my biggest problem.

Jake Long is the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

That's just wrong.

I love it and plan on using the same approach at Google:

Me: "Man, I would love to work here"

Googley-Eyed Google Guy: "You should apply"

Me: "I will, please give me eleventy billion dollars"

GEGG: "Um, you haven't done anything yet"

Me: "I could potentially be the greatest employee ever"

GEGG: "You could potentially be a thief"

Me: "Way to focus on the negative there Debbie Downer"

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF"

GEGG: "You hired an agent?"

Me: "Look, we feel it's pretty clear you hate your customers, otherwise you would pay me before I work and not deprive them of the chance to perhaps benefit from my work. Plus you hate puppies ... and kittens."

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF/PRESS CONFERENCE"

Me: "Just like the Founding Fathers drew it up."

Your agent says we need to alter your contract:
You forgot your umpty million "Pay me to think about signing" bonus and your "umpty humpty I actually signed" bonus, an addition to your "I have to feed my family - Latrell Sprewell style" incentive clause.

[PulpExposure]

Here's my biggest problem.

Jake Long is the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

That's just wrong.

I love it and plan on using the same approach at Google:

Me: "Man, I would love to work here"

Googley-Eyed Google Guy: "You should apply"

Me: "I will, please give me eleventy billion dollars"

GEGG: "Um, you haven't done anything yet"

Me: "I could potentially be the greatest employee ever"

GEGG: "You could potentially be a thief"

Me: "Way to focus on the negative there Debbie Downer"

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF"

GEGG: "You hired an agent?"

Me: "Look, we feel it's pretty clear you hate your customers, otherwise you would pay me before I work and not deprive them of the chance to perhaps benefit from my work. Plus you hate puppies ... and kittens."

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF/PRESS CONFERENCE"

Me: "Just like the Founding Fathers drew it up."

Seriously, that's just chock full of goodness.

[Mursilis]

Here's my biggest problem.

Jake Long is the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

That's just wrong.

I love it and plan on using the same approach at Google:

Me: "Man, I would love to work here"

Googley-Eyed Google Guy: "You should apply"

Me: "I will, please give me eleventy billion dollars"

GEGG: "Um, you haven't done anything yet"

Me: "I could potentially be the greatest employee ever"

GEGG: "You could potentially be a thief"

Me: "Way to focus on the negative there Debbie Downer"

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF"

GEGG: "You hired an agent?"

Me: "Look, we feel it's pretty clear you hate your customers, otherwise you would pay me before I work and not deprive them of the chance to perhaps benefit from my work. Plus you hate puppies ... and kittens."

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF/PRESS CONFERENCE"

Me: "Just like the Founding Fathers drew it up."

Seriously, that's just chock full of goodness.

The F in Fios stands for Funny!



Any ideas what the i-o-s stand for?!?

[GSPODS]

[The F in Fios stands for Funny!



Any ideas what the i-o-s stand for?!?

PIZZA

[Mursilis]

[The F in Fios stands for Funny!



Any ideas what the i-o-s stand for?!?

PIZZA

That makes no sense whatsoever, but I do like pizza, so I'm going to agree.

[yupchagee]

Here's my biggest problem.

Jake Long is the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

That's just wrong.

I love it and plan on using the same approach at Google:

Me: "Man, I would love to work here"

Googley-Eyed Google Guy: "You should apply"

Me: "I will, please give me eleventy billion dollars"

GEGG: "Um, you haven't done anything yet"

Me: "I could potentially be the greatest employee ever"

GEGG: "You could potentially be a thief"

Me: "Way to focus on the negative there Debbie Downer"

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF"

GEGG: "You hired an agent?"

Me: "Look, we feel it's pretty clear you hate your customers, otherwise you would pay me before I work and not deprive them of the chance to perhaps benefit from my work. Plus you hate puppies ... and kittens."

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF/PRESS CONFERENCE"

Me: "Just like the Founding Fathers drew it up."

I was going to ask if you had considered becoming a fiction writer, then I rechecked some of your previous posts

[LOSTHOG]

I'm all in favor of a rookie salary cap. As I see it the only ones truly hurt by it would be the busts. It should be high enough to separate a star to be and a role player to be. After 3 years let the fun begin. Free enterprise.

[yupchagee]

I'm all in favor of a rookie salary cap. As I see it the only ones truly hurt by it would be the busts. It should be high enough to separate a star to be and a role player to be. After 3 years let the fun begin. Free enterprise.

Why wait 3 yrs? All caps do is protect stupid owners from themselves.

[Countertrey]

There is already a rookie cap in place... it's called teams having the stones to say "Here's the offer... sign now, or sign later, but that's the offer." There is no other option. They sign, or they sit.

They have to pay for those new H2's somehow...

[yupchagee]

There is already a rookie cap in place... it's called teams having the stones to say "Here's the offer... sign now, or sign later, but that's the offer." There is no other option. They sign, or they sit.

They have to pay for those new H2's somehow...

Exactly! The owners have only themselves to blame when they over pay.

[KazooSkinsFan]

There is already a rookie cap in place... it's called teams having the stones to say "Here's the offer... sign now, or sign later, but that's the offer." There is no other option. They sign, or they sit.

They have to pay for those new H2's somehow...

That's not really fair though. When Danny and Jerry pay because they have the revenue and it's not a big deal, that puts places like St. Louis, Green Bay and Pittsburgh under a tough situation. And the players have the draft so it's not like they can go play for a team that will pay them the most. And if we don't have the draft, then what are we going to do with the NFL? Cut it back to half the teams or less? Are we going to have a 3 team league with the Skins, Cowboys and Giants?

It's easy to say the owners don't have discipline, but there are ecomonic realities behind it. Just saying they should be disciplined and stop there is sort of simplistically naive. What system do you propose?

[yupchagee]

There is already a rookie cap in place... it's called teams having the stones to say "Here's the offer... sign now, or sign later, but that's the offer." There is no other option. They sign, or they sit.

They have to pay for those new H2's somehow...

That's not really fair though. When Danny and Jerry pay because they have the revenue and it's not a big deal, that puts places like St. Louis, Green Bay and Pittsburgh under a tough situation. And the players have the draft so it's not like they can go play for a team that will pay them the most. And if we don't have the draft, then what are we going to do with the NFL? Cut it back to half the teams or less? Are we going to have a 3 team league with the Skins, Cowboys and Giants?

It's easy to say the owners don't have discipline, but there are ecomonic realities behind it. Just saying they should be disciplined and stop there is sort of simplistically naive. What system do you propose?

They share network TV revenues, so that really isn't an issue. Let the marketplace control things.

[Fios]

Here's my biggest problem.

Jake Long is the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.

That's just wrong.

I love it and plan on using the same approach at Google:

Me: "Man, I would love to work here"

Googley-Eyed Google Guy: "You should apply"

Me: "I will, please give me eleventy billion dollars"

GEGG: "Um, you haven't done anything yet"

Me: "I could potentially be the greatest employee ever"

GEGG: "You could potentially be a thief"

Me: "Way to focus on the negative there Debbie Downer"

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF"

GEGG: "You hired an agent?"

Me: "Look, we feel it's pretty clear you hate your customers, otherwise you would pay me before I work and not deprive them of the chance to perhaps benefit from my work. Plus you hate puppies ... and kittens."

DREW ROSENHAUS: "LAWERY-AGENTY STUFF/PRESS CONFERENCE"

Me: "Just like the Founding Fathers drew it up."

I was going to ask if you had considered becoming a fiction writer, then I rechecked some of your previous posts

My entire existence is fiction ... or at least the part where I say I have a girlfriend

[JansenFan]

Yes "Fios" is really the name of a Super Computer with AI software installed. It scans THN for posts, and using learned behavior techniques, posts something it thinks will draw a laugh. You can always tell when the AI engine is being re-tought, because the default post is "I like pizza."

[LOSTHOG]

I'm all in favor of a rookie salary cap. As I see it the only ones truly hurt by it would be the busts. It should be high enough to separate a star to be and a role player to be. After 3 years let the fun begin. Free enterprise.

Why wait 3 yrs? All caps do is protect stupid owners from themselves.

Three is negotiable. I just think a one year contract doesn't benefit the drafting team.