Official 2008 Redskins Free Agency Tracker Thread

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:10 pm

If we're going to bring in mediocre WR's we might as well give Mix a good shot....

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:53 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If we're going to bring in mediocre WR's we might as well give Mix a good shot....

It sounds like they will be giving him a shot.

Cerrato is excited about the potential of wide receiver Anthony Mix (6-5, 235 pounds), who was signed off the New York Giants' practice squad in November.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:20 pm

In the WCO, theoretically you have a system that is more geared towards getting the ball to wideouts by spreading the ball around more; by not being so TE/RB centric. I think that's what Skinsfreak is trying to say. However, you're also absolutely correct in that we have no idea how Jim Zorn's WCO offense works.

I agree that the idea is to spread the ball around to the receivers more in a WCO, but you still need to have the players to be able to do it. The Eagles have been mentioned as a team running a WCO, but like us they don't have great talent at wr and as a result Brian Westbrook was their leading receiver last season with 90 catches. In fact he was their leading receiver in 2006 as well and in 2005 he tied LJ Smith, a tight end, for the team lead in receptions. The last time that a receiver led the Eagles in receptions was in 2004 when they had TO. So despite the system you still need to have the players to be able to execute it. Right now our current group of receivers (even if you add in Hackett) is very mediocre and other than Moss the rest are all below average NFL players. So unless the talent level increases I'm not sure how the passing game is going to become more effective than it was last season.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:53 pm

Countertrey wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Accordingto the official website, we offered contracts to Fabini & Frost.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7536

Fabini???? The guy is a bum!

Why do people invariably feel a need to toss insults at some of these players. While he may seem marginal, I'd ask...

How many pro football player contracts have YOU signed in your life? Have YOU ever even been offered one????

Point? He may not be adequate to play line with the Redskins, in your (probably most) opinions... but I guarantee, he'll kick YOUR butt if you choose to go one on one with him (not the other way around).

Have a little respect. He has done what most of us only dream of.

Sorry man. You have never met me.

You have no idea what I do for a living. In fact you have no idea whether I played for a national Championship team or whether I am a garbage man.

I give my honest opinion on Fabini. He sucks. I watched him repeatedly get his butt kicked. Last year he let a pass rusher go right by him many a times. The guy sucks. His value on the field is minimal. He is not worth signing. Unless he provides some kind of boost in the locker room.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:56 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
fleetus wrote:I specified GUARANTEED MONEY.

I were thinking you were talking overall compensation, salary AND bonus.

Let's read your original statement again:

fleetus wrote: I say, if D.J. costs more than mediocre $$ (salary + bonus in guaranteed money - approx. 1-1.5 mil/year) then it is a bad move.

That reads salary + bonus as 1-1.5 mil/year to me....

Sorry to be so callous.

No sweat, I don't take things on an forum personally.

LMFAO

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:00 pm

GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Accordingto the official website, we offered contracts to Fabini & Frost.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7536

Fabini???? The guy is a bum!

Would you care to suggest any other reasonably priced, multiple position offensive linemen who know the tendencies of the players on either side of them? They don't exist. Fabini has 127 career starts, including 13 games for the Redskins last season. That means he was starting for all of the games during the Redskins winning streak. I didn't hear anyone complaining then. In fact, we were damn lucky to have him with all of the injured linemen.

I was complaining ever time I saw him play. In fact there was a play in the playoff game where Fabini only used one hand to try and block Patrick Kearney. He got his butt whooped repeatedly.

He played on the Cowboys team and got cut. Then guess who signed him??
In fact he was a third string tight end on the Cowboys team then they cut him.

Yet the Skins have him put on some weight and think he can make a good lineman?????? Whatever! Your type of thinking is what keeps the Redskins in the toilet.

I offer championship minded thinking. Get with the program people or you will just be mediocre forever.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:00 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
GSPODS wrote:I'm all for 300 yard passing games. Hell, I can't remember the last time a Redskins' quarterback had one.

You're getting old, my friend.

Jason Campbell had 2 last season (Nov 11 & Nov 18).

You are en FUEGO!

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:10 pm

Another good move. I like this guy.

Redskins Bring Back Boschetti On D-Line
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
March 12, 2008

Ryan Boschetti

The Redskins have re-signed defensive lineman Ryan Boschetti, the team announced on Wednesday.

Boschetti, 6-4 and 305 pounds, completed his fourth season with the Redskins, but he saw action in just one game last year.

He is expected to provide depth along the defensive line.

Few players are as energetic and gung-ho at practice as Boschetti. It's a characteristic that Redskins defensive coordinator Greg Blache believes transfers to others in the locker room.

Boschetti joined the Redskins as an undrafted rookie out of UCLA in 2004. For his career, he has played in 19 games, with two starts, and logged 15 tackles (eight solo).

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34853

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:01 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Accordingto the official website, we offered contracts to Fabini & Frost.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7536

Fabini???? The guy is a bum!

Would you care to suggest any other reasonably priced, multiple position offensive linemen who know the tendencies of the players on either side of them? They don't exist. Fabini has 127 career starts, including 13 games for the Redskins last season. That means he was starting for all of the games during the Redskins winning streak. I didn't hear anyone complaining then. In fact, we were damn lucky to have him with all of the injured linemen.

I was complaining ever time I saw him play. In fact there was a play in the playoff game where Fabini only used one hand to try and block Patrick Kearney. He got his butt whooped repeatedly.

He played on the Cowboys team and got cut. Then guess who signed him??
In fact he was a third string tight end on the Cowboys team then they cut him.

Yet the Skins have him put on some weight and think he can make a good lineman?????? Whatever! Your type of thinking is what keeps the Redskins in the toilet.

I offer championship minded thinking. Get with the program people or you will just be mediocre forever.

Fabini was never a TE. He mostly played OT. The fact that he was our 3rd best OG is disturbing, but that doesn't make him a bum.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:49 am

You have no idea what I do for a living. In fact you have no idea whether I played for a national Championship team or whether I am a garbage man.

Sooooooo...

How many downs have you played for an NFL team?

I thought so.

My point still stands. You have no standing to insult these guys, just because you'd prefer to see better players in their stead.

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:02 am

HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Accordingto the official website, we offered contracts to Fabini & Frost.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7536

Fabini???? The guy is a bum!

Would you care to suggest any other reasonably priced, multiple position offensive linemen who know the tendencies of the players on either side of them? They don't exist. Fabini has 127 career starts, including 13 games for the Redskins last season. That means he was starting for all of the games during the Redskins winning streak. I didn't hear anyone complaining then. In fact, we were damn lucky to have him with all of the injured linemen.

I was complaining ever time I saw him play. In fact there was a play in the playoff game where Fabini only used one hand to try and block Patrick Kearney. He got his butt whooped repeatedly.

He played on the Cowboys team and got cut. Then guess who signed him??
In fact he was a third string tight end on the Cowboys team then they cut him.

Yet the Skins have him put on some weight and think he can make a good lineman?????? Whatever! Your type of thinking is what keeps the Redskins in the toilet.

I offer championship minded thinking. Get with the program people or you will just be mediocre forever.

Who didn't get abused by Patrick Kerney last season? That has to be the absolute worst possible example of why you think Fabini "sucks". Kerney had 14.5 sacks last season. Apparently, a whole lot of offensive linemen "suck". Either that or Kerney is a really gifted defensive lineman.
Nobody is saying Fabini is Russ Grimm. He simply isn't anywhere near the bottom of the offensive lineman barrel.

The Redskins could have pissed away a fortune for Alan Faneca but I'm sure people would have complained about that, too. We can't have it both ways. Either the Redskins keep reasonably priced players and build through the draft or they sell the farm and the cow for pro-bowlers who underachieve. Those are the options. I'll take option A for the veteran minimum, Alex. And the answer is: "Who is Jason Fabini?"

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:09 am

GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Accordingto the official website, we offered contracts to Fabini & Frost.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7536

Fabini???? The guy is a bum!

Would you care to suggest any other reasonably priced, multiple position offensive linemen who know the tendencies of the players on either side of them? They don't exist. Fabini has 127 career starts, including 13 games for the Redskins last season. That means he was starting for all of the games during the Redskins winning streak. I didn't hear anyone complaining then. In fact, we were damn lucky to have him with all of the injured linemen.

I was complaining ever time I saw him play. In fact there was a play in the playoff game where Fabini only used one hand to try and block Patrick Kearney. He got his butt whooped repeatedly.

He played on the Cowboys team and got cut. Then guess who signed him??
In fact he was a third string tight end on the Cowboys team then they cut him.

Yet the Skins have him put on some weight and think he can make a good lineman?????? Whatever! Your type of thinking is what keeps the Redskins in the toilet.

I offer championship minded thinking. Get with the program people or you will just be mediocre forever.

Who didn't get abused by Patrick Kerney last season? That has to be the absolute worst possible example of why you think Fabini "sucks". Kerney had 14.5 sacks last season. Apparently, a whole lot of offensive linemen "suck". Either that or Kerney is a really gifted defensive lineman.
Nobody is saying Fabini is Russ Grimm. He simply isn't anywhere near the bottom of the offensive lineman barrel.

The Redskins could have pissed away a fortune for Alan Faneca but I'm sure people would have complained about that, too. We can't have it both ways. Either the Redskins keep reasonably priced players and build through the draft or they sell the farm and the cow for pro-bowlers who underachieve. Those are the options. I'll take option A for the veteran minimum, Alex. And the answer is: "Who is Jason Fabini?"

I have seen him do more bad plays then positive. In fact I cant even remember when Fabini did a good play. He always gets pushed around everytime he is in the game.

Why even sign a low to mediocre player? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Some people dont realize that weak players are liabilities on the field. Opposing teams will just exploit the weakness. Whichever side Fabini is on.
I hope he somehow makes me eat my words. So far he has proven me right.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:19 am

Countertrey wrote:
You have no idea what I do for a living. In fact you have no idea whether I played for a national Championship team or whether I am a garbage man.

Sooooooo...

How many downs have you played for an NFL team?

I thought so.

My point still stands. You have no standing to insult these guys, just because you'd prefer to see better players in their stead.

Well I am pretty sure you insulted players many a time. So throw your stones at someone else. Last time I checked this was a country which grants free speech. I choose to exercise that right.

Since you have never coached, played or been a GM in the NFL? I guess you can never make any criticism about any NFL employee. Wow great logic.

:shock:

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:20 am

Countertrey wrote:
You have no idea what I do for a living. In fact you have no idea whether I played for a national Championship team or whether I am a garbage man.

Sooooooo...

How many downs have you played for an NFL team?

I thought so.

My point still stands. You have no standing to insult these guys, just because you'd prefer to see better players in their stead.

Well I am pretty sure you insulted players many a time. So throw your stones at someone else. Last time I checked this was a country which grants free speech. I choose to exercise that right.

Since you have never coached, played or been a GM in the NFL? I guess you can never make any criticism about any NFL employee. Yet I can go back and find a hundred posts in which you do that very thing. Wow great logic. Please practice what you preach. Lets not be selective on when you want to apply certain rules.

:roll:

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:21 am

Countertrey wrote:
You have no idea what I do for a living. In fact you have no idea whether I played for a national Championship team or whether I am a garbage man.

Sooooooo...

How many downs have you played for an NFL team?

I thought so.

My point still stands. You have no standing to insult these guys, just because you'd prefer to see better players in their stead.

Well I am pretty sure you insulted players many a time. So throw your stones at someone else. Last time I checked this was a country which grants free speech. I choose to exercise that right.

Since you have never coached, played or been a GM in the NFL? I guess you can never make any criticism about any NFL employee or action a team has taken. Yet I can go back and find a hundred posts in which you do that very thing. Wow great logic. Please practice what you preach. Lets not be selective on when you want to apply certain rules.

:roll:

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:38 am

HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Accordingto the official website, we offered contracts to Fabini & Frost.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7536

Fabini???? The guy is a bum!

Would you care to suggest any other reasonably priced, multiple position offensive linemen who know the tendencies of the players on either side of them? They don't exist. Fabini has 127 career starts, including 13 games for the Redskins last season. That means he was starting for all of the games during the Redskins winning streak. I didn't hear anyone complaining then. In fact, we were damn lucky to have him with all of the injured linemen.

I was complaining ever time I saw him play. In fact there was a play in the playoff game where Fabini only used one hand to try and block Patrick Kearney. He got his butt whooped repeatedly.

He played on the Cowboys team and got cut. Then guess who signed him??
In fact he was a third string tight end on the Cowboys team then they cut him.

Yet the Skins have him put on some weight and think he can make a good lineman?????? Whatever! Your type of thinking is what keeps the Redskins in the toilet.

I offer championship minded thinking. Get with the program people or you will just be mediocre forever.

Who didn't get abused by Patrick Kerney last season? That has to be the absolute worst possible example of why you think Fabini "sucks". Kerney had 14.5 sacks last season. Apparently, a whole lot of offensive linemen "suck". Either that or Kerney is a really gifted defensive lineman.
Nobody is saying Fabini is Russ Grimm. He simply isn't anywhere near the bottom of the offensive lineman barrel.

The Redskins could have pissed away a fortune for Alan Faneca but I'm sure people would have complained about that, too. We can't have it both ways. Either the Redskins keep reasonably priced players and build through the draft or they sell the farm and the cow for pro-bowlers who underachieve. Those are the options. I'll take option A for the veteran minimum, Alex. And the answer is: "Who is Jason Fabini?"

I have seen him do more bad plays then positive. In fact I cant even remember when Fabini did a good play. He always gets pushed around everytime he is in the game.

Why even sign a low to mediocre player? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Some people dont realize that weak players are liabilities on the field. Opposing teams will just exploit the weakness. Whichever side Fabini is on.
I hope he somehow makes me eat my words. So far he has proven me right.

The reason for signing mediocre players is clear. The Redskins have gone in the other direction, signing big name free agents, so many times that the media uses the Redskins as a control for what the rest of the league is doing in free agency. The strategy of signing nothing but big names has never worked for the Redskins. The strategy of signing mediocre backups and building through the draft has given the Redskins most of the teams' core players.

2007 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
6 179 H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh
7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan
2006 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)
5 153 Anthony Montgomery DT Minnesota
6 173 Reed Doughty DB Northern Colorado
6 196 Kedric Golston DT Georgia
2005 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn
2004 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
3 81 Chris Cool

ey TE Utah State
2003 - Washington Redskins
2002 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa
7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State
2001 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 45 Fred Smoot CB Mississippi State
2000 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 3 Chris Samuels T Alabama

That's 15 players acquired through the draft in the last 7 years who are still on the active roster. I deleted those players no longer with the Redskins and those players no longer in the league, excepting S.T.

How many high-priced free agents have the Redskins signed in the last seven seasons? How many remained on the active roster for more than one season? How many played enough snaps to be even remotely worth the price of admission? London Fletcher and possibly Andre Carter and Pete Kendall. I may be missing someone but there are nowhere near 15 high-priced, overpaid free agents signed by the Redskins in the last seven years who have remain on the active team roster.

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:48 am

Bryant Johnson-WR-Cardinals Mar. 13 - 10:26 am et

The agent for Bryant Johnson says he expects his client to sign with a team shortly.

The agent says Arizona and Chicago are not among three teams that have made his client an offer. The Bucs, Redskins, and Bills may be those clubs.
Source: Arizona Republic

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:27 am

HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Accordingto the official website, we offered contracts to Fabini & Frost.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7536

Fabini???? The guy is a bum!

Would you care to suggest any other reasonably priced, multiple position offensive linemen who know the tendencies of the players on either side of them? They don't exist. Fabini has 127 career starts, including 13 games for the Redskins last season. That means he was starting for all of the games during the Redskins winning streak. I didn't hear anyone complaining then. In fact, we were damn lucky to have him with all of the injured linemen.

I was complaining ever time I saw him play. In fact there was a play in the playoff game where Fabini only used one hand to try and block Patrick Kearney. He got his butt whooped repeatedly.

He played on the Cowboys team and got cut. Then guess who signed him??
In fact he was a third string tight end on the Cowboys team then they cut him.

Yet the Skins have him put on some weight and think he can make a good lineman?????? Whatever! Your type of thinking is what keeps the Redskins in the toilet.

I offer championship minded thinking. Get with the program people or you will just be mediocre forever.

Who didn't get abused by Patrick Kerney last season? That has to be the absolute worst possible example of why you think Fabini "sucks". Kerney had 14.5 sacks last season. Apparently, a whole lot of offensive linemen "suck". Either that or Kerney is a really gifted defensive lineman.
Nobody is saying Fabini is Russ Grimm. He simply isn't anywhere near the bottom of the offensive lineman barrel.

The Redskins could have pissed away a fortune for Alan Faneca but I'm sure people would have complained about that, too. We can't have it both ways. Either the Redskins keep reasonably priced players and build through the draft or they sell the farm and the cow for pro-bowlers who underachieve. Those are the options. I'll take option A for the veteran minimum, Alex. And the answer is: "Who is Jason Fabini?"

I have seen him do more bad plays then positive. In fact I cant even remember when Fabini did a good play. He always gets pushed around everytime he is in the game.

Why even sign a low to mediocre player? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Some people dont realize that weak players are liabilities on the field. Opposing teams will just exploit the weakness. Whichever side Fabini is on.
I hope he somehow makes me eat my words. So far he has proven me right.

You do realize that Fabini wasn't, and to my knowledge still isn't, a starter, right?

He was also playing on a line decimated by injuries, so it wasn't like he was surrounded by starters.

Sure, he was in no risk of being in the pro-bowl, but everyone will tell you, you don't spend more money on your back-up players than your starters.

And yes, teams certainly do go for the weak spot, so they threw everything they had at him, because his side of the line consisted of two back-up players throughout most of the year.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:38 pm

"False Start, Fabini!" :lol:

Seriously, Fabini is a decent player. Like already mentioned, he had an undrafted free agent rookie playing next to him at RT. So they were under siege. I would keep Fabini before Todd Wade (and his salary), who many people on this board were so enamored with last off-season. Fabini is a serviceable guard/tackle which is what you need from a back-up.

Now if the FO starts valuing draft picks as more than chicklets to be handed out every year, we might start building some more talented depth at some of these positions. Instead of giving away 3rd round picks for B. Lloyd we could have a solid 3rd year backup Guard who could become a solid starter.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:28 pm

Well I am pretty sure you insulted players many a time. So throw your stones at someone else. Last time I checked this was a country which grants free speech. I choose to exercise that right.

Since you have never coached, played or been a GM in the NFL? I guess you can never make any criticism about any NFL employee. Wow great logic.

Well, you clearly know how to use a Red Herring, even if not effectively. Criticism is one thing. Name calling (you were name calling, unless "Fabini is a bum" means something else on the planet where you live) is quite another. Same goes for players like Brunell. He may be on the down hill side of his playing skills, but that doesn't make him a bum, either. I just get sick of the complete lack of civility towards these good folks.

Your suggestion that I have insulted some players is quite correct... Michael Vick, Adam Jones, Cinco Ocho, TO... yup... I will CONTINUE to have no problem doing that with talented players who decide that the rules don't apply to them, or who consistenly spell TEAM with an I. These are players who's attitudes and actions have earned them some contempt.

Not quite the same as insulting a less talented man who works his tail off, obeys all the rules, but still gets beat. Decrying his failures is one thing... the name calling, quite another.

Free speech, sure. That means I get to comment, as well... so I did... (and, I will).

You don't like that Fabini has a new contract offer... fine. Be pissed at the FO. Insult them. They are the ones who are paying for what in your mind is sub-par talent... from Fabini's perspective, only an idiot would say "no".

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:40 pm

GSPODS wrote:How many high-priced free agents have the Redskins signed in the last seven seasons? How many remained on the active roster for more than one season? How many played enough snaps to be even remotely worth the price of admission? London Fletcher and possibly Andre Carter and Pete Kendall. I may be missing someone but there are nowhere near 15 high-priced, overpaid free agents signed by the Redskins in the last seven years who have remain on the active team roster.

Define "high-priced", because I don't believe Kendall was overly expensive. Was Marcus Washington high-priced? How about Randy Thomas? There is currently quite a few 'reasonably' priced free agent starters on this team. How about Mark Brunell? Oh wait... <clears throat> ... ah, nevermind, forget him.

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:45 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:Define "high-priced", because I don't believe Kendall was overly expensive. Was Marcus Washington high-priced? How about Randy Thomas? There is currently quite a few 'reasonably' priced free agent starters on this team. How about Mark Brunell? Oh wait... <clears throat> ... ah, nevermind, forget him.

Yes, Washington was expensive for the amount of time he's been injured. Yes, Thomas was expensive for the amount of time he's been injured. Yes, Brunell was exhorbitantly expensive but his dead ass and his dead cap space are both gone. Thank You, Holy God, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Football Gods, Satan...err HailSkins666 (apologies if I forgot anyone).

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:22 pm

Bob 0119 wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
yupchagee wrote:Accordingto the official website, we offered contracts to Fabini & Frost.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7536

Fabini???? The guy is a bum!

Would you care to suggest any other reasonably priced, multiple position offensive linemen who know the tendencies of the players on either side of them? They don't exist. Fabini has 127 career starts, including 13 games for the Redskins last season. That means he was starting for all of the games during the Redskins winning streak. I didn't hear anyone complaining then. In fact, we were damn lucky to have him with all of the injured linemen.

I was complaining ever time I saw him play. In fact there was a play in the playoff game where Fabini only used one hand to try and block Patrick Kearney. He got his butt whooped repeatedly.

He played on the Cowboys team and got cut. Then guess who signed him??
In fact he was a third string tight end on the Cowboys team then they cut him.

Yet the Skins have him put on some weight and think he can make a good lineman?????? Whatever! Your type of thinking is what keeps the Redskins in the toilet.

I offer championship minded thinking. Get with the program people or you will just be mediocre forever.

Who didn't get abused by Patrick Kerney last season? That has to be the absolute worst possible example of why you think Fabini "sucks". Kerney had 14.5 sacks last season. Apparently, a whole lot of offensive linemen "suck". Either that or Kerney is a really gifted defensive lineman.
Nobody is saying Fabini is Russ Grimm. He simply isn't anywhere near the bottom of the offensive lineman barrel.

The Redskins could have pissed away a fortune for Alan Faneca but I'm sure people would have complained about that, too. We can't have it both ways. Either the Redskins keep reasonably priced players and build through the draft or they sell the farm and the cow for pro-bowlers who underachieve. Those are the options. I'll take option A for the veteran minimum, Alex. And the answer is: "Who is Jason Fabini?"

I have seen him do more bad plays then positive. In fact I cant even remember when Fabini did a good play. He always gets pushed around everytime he is in the game.

Why even sign a low to mediocre player? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Some people dont realize that weak players are liabilities on the field. Opposing teams will just exploit the weakness. Whichever side Fabini is on.
I hope he somehow makes me eat my words. So far he has proven me right.

You do realize that Fabini wasn't, and to my knowledge still isn't, a starter, right?

He was also playing on a line decimated by injuries, so it wasn't like he was surrounded by starters.

Sure, he was in no risk of being in the pro-bowl, but everyone will tell you, you don't spend more money on your back-up players than your starters.

And yes, teams certainly do go for the weak spot, so they threw everything they had at him, because his side of the line consisted of two back-up players throughout most of the year.

Depth is obviously very important. But depth doesn't really mean much if you're backups aren't any good. Fabini hasn't shown himself to be anything other than a below average NFL player. If we held onto more draft picks and drafted better with the ones that we have, we wouldn't have to sign guys like Fabini to be backups.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:23 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:.. If we held onto more draft picks and drafted better with the ones that we have, we wouldn't have to sign guys like Fabini to be backups.

really enlightening :shock:

we did not hold onto the picks and we did not draft well - so you're saying we would be better off not signing players like Fabini and hoping they provide some depth? :lol:

we made our bed - now we have to lie in it - pointing out the problem as justification for not trying to make our situation better is not helping here :wink:

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:44 pm

HACKETT GETS OFFER FROM ‘SKINS
Posted by Mike Florio on March 13, 2008, 4:50 p.m.

Seahawks receiver D.J. Hackett visited the Redskins, got an offer, and didn’t accept it.

According to the Washington Times, Hackett will explore other options before making a decision.

“This will all be up to him,” coach Jim Zorn told David Elfin of the Washington Times. ”We’re not going to risk it all to try to pay him. The financial package has to work. But if we have a chance to get him, we’d like to have him. He’s got two other teams plus Seattle that wants to match [his contract offers].”

It’s a dramatic change in approach by the Redskins to free agency. In the past, the ‘Skins would close the deal quickly and decisively, usually by overpaying via a multi-year contract that was destined to be terminated in a couple of years.

Indeed, Hackett was the first free-agent that the ‘Skins hosted this year. They previously have re-signed two of their own free agents — quarterback Todd Collins and running back Rock Cartwright . . . Cartwright!

Hackett will visit the Panthers and the Buccaneers. The Seahawks also have an interest in bringing him back.

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