Brandon Lloyd released ... get's 1 yr deal with the Bears

[RedskinsFreak]

That rush of air was the extent of people noticing -- or even caring:

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34639

[redskins_89]

Im actually kinda upset as strange as that is because he had great hands but just didn't pull thru with the redskins. I bet he will have a lights out season next year where ever he goes. Time to suit up for OCHO CINCO lol

[Englands Team]

Thank god. No more Brandon lloyd to be cut. Brandon lloyd to be given a big role threads. Took Zorn how long to realise he was useless.

[redskins_89]

OCHO CINCO AAHHhhHHHHHHHHHHAHAHHAHAHAH

[num1skinsfan]

good move, he was done in DC for whatever reason. once the press turns on you in washington your done.... maybe a change of scenery will do it fo him, he is young and healthy... but he has alot to prove....

[DaSkins24]

The Carl Pavano of the NFL is finally off our team.

[redskins_89]

lol carl pavano good one

[yupchagee]

WHat are the cap implications of doing this now?

[redskins_89]

probally a mill over lol

[VetSkinsFan]

I'm glad hey cut him. I don't think he was going to get a fair shake(not like I thought he deserved ANOTHER), but he's young enough where he could go somewhere else and do great things. I honestly wish him the best of luck where ever he goes. I've never been a complete BLloyd hater, just that he wasn't a good fit here in the DC area....

[SkinsFreak]

"He's fresh on my mind because he's fairly new to the program," Zorn said. "He hasn't had success for whatever reason, injury or lack of opportunity. But I'd sure like to sit down with him and talk and see what his mind-set is and where he's at."

I would've thought Lloyd would want to take advantage of a fresh start, and by all indications, based on Zorn's recent remarks, the new staff was willing to extend him some latitude and give him a clean slate. I guess he didn't make a very good impression with Zorn. Oh well, time to move on. Thanks Brandon, your 2 catches for 14 yards last year were much appreciated.

[num1skinsfan]

To answer the cap hit:


Lloyd is scheduled to count $4.2 million against the cap in 2008. If the Redskins were to do a straight cut right now there would be an acceleration of $7.1 million in signing and option bonuses already paid. That totals for a net charge of $2.9 million against the cap (negative savings, if you will). This option would allow for a clean start under the new coaching staff, it would get him off the books, and eliminate a lingering cap hit.

[CanesSkins26]

"He's fresh on my mind because he's fairly new to the program," Zorn said. "He hasn't had success for whatever reason, injury or lack of opportunity. But I'd sure like to sit down with him and talk and see what his mind-set is and where he's at."

I would've thought Lloyd would want to take advantage of a fresh start, and by all indications, based on Zorn's recent remarks, the new staff was willing to extend him some latitude and give him a clean slate. I guess he didn't make a very good impression with Zorn. Oh well, time to move on. Thanks Brandon, your 2 catches for 14 yards last year were much appreciated.

I'm not too sure that Zorn had much of a say in Lloyd getting cut. I have a feeling that Danny and Vinny decided a long time ago to get rid of Lloyd this offseason.

[TincoSkin]

"He's fresh on my mind because he's fairly new to the program," Zorn said. "He hasn't had success for whatever reason, injury or lack of opportunity. But I'd sure like to sit down with him and talk and see what his mind-set is and where he's at."

I would've thought Lloyd would want to take advantage of a fresh start, and by all indications, based on Zorn's recent remarks, the new staff was willing to extend him some latitude and give him a clean slate. I guess he didn't make a very good impression with Zorn. Oh well, time to move on. Thanks Brandon, your 2 catches for 14 yards last year were much appreciated.

I'm not too sure that Zorn had much of a say in Lloyd getting cut. I have a feeling that Danny and Vinny decided a long time ago to get rid of Lloyd this offseason.

what are you basing this on?

[Gnome]

We see lists of the greatest Redskins of all time - how about the worst - and where does Lloyd fall? I'm thinking he's on the all-lame hall of fame list.

Lloyd
AA
Jeff George
Primetime Sanders
Bruce Smith
Mark Carrier
Heath Shuler
Desmond Howard
Tracy Rocker
Who was the cornerback draft pick back in the day? Davis?

I know I'm missing some gems.

[Mursilis]

Who was the cornerback draft pick back in the day? Davis?

Tom Carter? He was a first-round CB pick who was a bust.

[yupchagee]

Who was the cornerback draft pick back in the day? Davis?

Tom Carter? He was a first-round CB pick who was a bust.

Several yrs ago we picked an OT from Penn St in the 1st round. He never played a down.

[HardDawg]

Did some bright guy really trade a 3rd and 4th round pick for this DUD???????????????

Thank god Brandon "I can't rap" Lloyd is gone!!!

Stood by ya and hoped for the best but your garbage.....Have fun selling used cars!

[SKINFAN]

At least Zman was nice enough to release him now so he can shop around for next season.

[andyjens89]

We see lists of the greatest Redskins of all time - how about the worst - and where does Lloyd fall? I'm thinking he's on the all-lame hall of fame list.

Lloyd
AA
Jeff George
Primetime Sanders
Bruce Smith
Mark Carrier
Heath Shuler
Desmond Howard
Tracy Rocker
Who was the cornerback draft pick back in the day? Davis?

I know I'm missing some gems.

Tony Banks, Danny Wuerffel, Shane Matthews, Rob Johnson... heck I'm just naming quarterbacks from the last couple of years... there were tons of guys who sucked for us.... Trung Canidate..... Rod Gardner... this is too easy...

[andyjens89]

Fun Fact: Lloyd never scored a TD with the Redskins.

[admin]

Fun fact: 7 million more dollars down the drain.

Fun fact #2: We just wasted enough money to sign 1 or 2 free agents

Fun fact #3: just another in a continuing line of scapegoat/cap destruction cast offs

Fun fact #4: If you do want to consider this a bust, then consider it the second or third biggest cap bust in Redskin management history (Coles, and Arch were actually probably worse).

Fun fact #5: This is the fourth year in a row that we have paid DEEPLY because of our need to 'dig our heels in'... Coles / Arrington / Arch / Lloyd.

Leading the league every year in dead cap is hardly something to aspire to... management seems incapable of figuring out that $15-20 million in dead cap is still $15-20M less that you get to spend on your roster - but how could that possibly affect the finished product, right?

And so what if we have to extend mid-30's players until 2015 just to get under the current cap, we can always start the Geritol Bowl in 2013...

[SkinsFreak]

Leading the league every year in dead cap is hardly something to aspire to... management seems incapable of figuring out that $15-20 million in dead cap is still $15-20M less that you get to spend on your roster - but how could that possibly affect the finished product, right?

That problem is not exclusive to the Redskins. The Giants led the league last year with $18 million in dead cap money. Nobody aspires to lead the league in that category, but that fact is, ALL teams struggle with it. Sometimes in life, you have to recognize a bad investment and simply cut your loses.

However, I understand why some here are willing to blame the organization for this, and I'm sure they're more than willing to agree they made a mistake by signing him and putting so much faith in him with such a huge contract. But many believe the employee bares much of the responsibility. The fans here aren't the only ones disturbed by Lloyd's performance and behavior.

The Washington Redskins handed Brandon Lloyd his walking papers today two years after giving up third- and fourth-round draft picks for the right to sign him to a contract that had $10 million in guaranteed money.

The trade and signing turned out to be a very costly mistake. Lloyd caught 25 passes for the Redskins. That’s $400,000 per catch. In terms of the draft pick value chart, each catch cost the Redskins the equivalent of a late seventh-round pick (a third and a fourth equal about 190 points, divided by the 25 catches is 7.6, the point value of the 19th pick of the fourth round).

You can’t do a similar calculation to figure out how much each touchdown catch cost the Redskins as it is mathematically impossible to divide by zero.

Lloyd had a part-time career as a rapper, something that he talked about extensively during his first months with a team. He had a publicist who was fond of send emails to the Redskins’ beat reporters talking about Lloyd’s recording career and of his accomplishments on the field. Those communications in the latter category were few, far between, and very brief.

The stream of communication did not endear him to the beat writers, who turned on him early. Even without the publicist’s hype there would have been good reason for criticism. Lloyd wasn’t exactly a locker room cancer. Being a cancer actually requires some effort, some work on the part of the perpetrator. Brand Lloyd just kind of cruised along at about three-quarters speed both on and off the field.

And it was not going full speed that ultimately cost him his job with the Redskins. Joe Gibbs and Al Saunders seemed to be willing to give him a mulligan for a spotty 2006 season and he was scheduled to have a major role in the offense in ’07. On the first play of the fourth quarter of the season opener against Miami, Jason Campbell threw a deep pass intended for Lloyd in the end zone. The receiver made a half hearted effort at the ball and it was picked off by Miami seven yards deep in the end zone. Lloyd was even less interested in making the tackle than he was in making the catch and the defender scampered 29 yards to the 22.

The Redskins had hoped Lloyd would be a deep threat when they traded third- and fourth-round picks for him in March 2006 and renegotiated his contract to include a $10 million signing bonus. Several teammates believed he was the most talented wideout on the team, but he clashed with coaches, team employees and other players shortly after arriving and lost his starting job during his first season here.

Lloyd was suspended for one game in 2006 after throwing his helmet on the sidelines and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade at wide receivers coach Stan Hixon during his first offseason here, team sources said. Coach Joe Gibbs also left Lloyd off of a road trip to New York last season after he missed a mandatory meeting

We all know Brandon was a friend of the show and was quite generous with his time and participation, and many of us were quite appreciative for that. But a player is graded by his contributions to the team, locker room and on the field, and Brandon simply did not, for what ever reason, do much to earn the respect of the team, the coaches or the fans, and that responsibility lies at his feet. It's not the fans fault he was benched. Gibbs was the one that went out and signed the guy and Gibbs was the one that subsequently bench him. I believe many Redskin fans are more inclined to give Gibbs, a man with impeccable character, the benefit of the doubt.

I also believe the overwhelmingly vast majority of Redskin fans were pulling for Lloyd and hoped he would deliver. He didn't, that's not our fault. I don't care how much any player is paid, if he's only willing to give partial effort and causes disruption, he's not worth the money or the headache, and at the end of the day, I'm quite sure you would agree with that simplistic principle and philosophy, no matter what industry you're in.

Could they have given Lloyd more chances just for the sake of how much it was costing the organization? Sure. But that would entail ignoring the negatives, poor behavior and immature acts such as throwing his helmet on the sidelines and unleashing profanity-laced tirades at coaches or other staff members. That would set a pretty poor example for the other employees. It's not the organizations fault he engaged in this type of behavior. It would appear that the only fault made by the organization was failing to correctly evaluate the character, the same character issues the 9ers had a problem with, by the way.

[PulpExposure]

Mike Wilbon keeps on saying that Lloyd was signed over the objections from the Front Office (including Cerrato). They all warned Gibbs & Co. not to sign him, but someone on the coaching staff really wanted Lloyd.

However, it's always said in an offhand way. Does anyone have anything more regarding this?

[BossHog]

That problem is not exclusive to the Redskins. The Giants led the league last year with $18 million in dead cap money. Nobody aspires to lead the league in that category, but that fact is, ALL teams struggle with it. Sometimes in life, you have to recognize a bad investment and simply cut your loses.

See who's spent the most on dead cap since 2000... I'd bet we're at the top of the list. Might be an interesting off-season project for someone - to try and find dead cap figures since 2000 and see who's paid the biggest price.

I don't dispute that sometimes you have to cut your losses - but if you didn't have to say 'I'll give you $3," when someone's been offered $1, the price wouldn't be so high.

However, I understand why some here are willing to blame the organization for this, and I'm sure they're more than willing to agree they made a mistake by signing him and putting so much faith in him with such a huge contract. But many believe the employee bares much of the responsibility. The fans here aren't the only ones disturbed by Lloyd's performance and behavior.

I'm not really sure what serving up a bunch of media spin citations does other than prove that this one stinks so bad that it's worthy of press...

We all know Brandon was a friend of the show and was quite generous with his time and participation, and many of us were quite appreciative for that. But a player is graded by his contributions to the team, locker room and on the field, and Brandon simply did not, for what ever reason, do much to earn the respect of the team, the coaches or the fans, and that responsibility lies at his feet.

What does that have to do with anything? Sure, doing the show with Brandon was great and we were appreciative, but do you see ANYTHING in my post that looks at all like it has to do with the play on the field, or even a personal opinion on Brandon?

We didn't do a show with Arch. We didn't do a show with Lavar. We didn't do a show with Coles. I don't feel any differently about their exits and the cap space they took with them... my post addressed nothing else.

I also believe the overwhelmingly vast majority of Redskin fans were pulling for Lloyd and hoped he would deliver. He didn't, that's not our fault. I don't care how much any player is paid, if he's only willing to give partial effort and causes disruption, he's not worth the money or the headache, and at the end of the day, I'm quite sure you would agree with that simplistic principle and philosophy, no matter what industry you're in.

We could debate for days on end about players that 'got fair shots' or not. To be honest, I consider it a totally different thread topic and IMO it has nothing to do with my post.

We blew another wad on another wasted investment and we will be paying dearly in dead cap for it once again. Apologize for the organization all you like, it isn't like they aren't counting on it.

Could they have given Lloyd more chances just for the sake of how much it was costing the organization? Sure. But that would entail ignoring the negatives, poor behavior and immature acts such as throwing his helmet on the sidelines and unleashing profanity-laced tirades at coaches or other staff members. That would set a pretty poor example for the other employees. It's not the organizations fault he engaged in this type of behavior. It would appear that the only fault made by the organization was failing to correctly evaluate the character, the same character issues the 9ers had a problem with, by the way.

To me that just sounds like every media hook ever thrown out there. Unfortunately, it doesn't make it a correct assessment of anything more than what the media served you.

But again, that addresses a totally different subject. To me it has nothing to do with the fact that there is an incredible residual effect that we continue to pay on contract after contract because of our reputation to out-pay and often overpay in transaction after transaction after transaction.

Long term backloaded deals with big signing bonuses are only effective contracts if you get players to play for the majority of them. If you're going to continue to keep jettisoning them early on for ANY reason, then shouldn't you consider changing the mindset of signing contracts that are EXTREMELY costly when they are ended prematurely?