Trung Candidate.......

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:56 pm

First off, Trung Canidate is my favorite player(I need to get a #30 avatar when I have enough posts.), so I'm going to be biased.

Trung Canidate has shown if you give him a few inches even, he will be gone in the time it takes you to blink. He didn't excel in Washington like Rock and Ladell did because with our horrible O-Line problems, you had to be able to break three tackles each play almost.

If Bugel(sp?) can open up holes for him to slip through and just take that first step... God, he'd be gone. Also, Spurrier used him to get 600 yards then would take him out as soon as we got to the goal and have golden boys Rock and Ladell pound it in short yardage style instead of letting Trung Canidate getting some action.

As I keep going, I will point out we saw he has the ability to run like wild if he gets the chance. At the Saints game, he had 115 Yards with a 7.2 yard average. Even without the 38 yard scamper, he'd still have a 5+ Yard average.

In his most active game, Giants in Week 14, he had 19 Attempts and we won the game, breaking a 3-game losing streak.

In Canidate’s, first four games, he not only garnered attention from other coaches(Large amounts of concern from Bill over at New England, especially.)about how threatening his running was, he had 46 attempts for 251 yards. A 5.5(Rounded To The Tenth)which TIES this years leading Yards Per Carry Average set by Clinton Portis.

The fumble argument would need to be fair by admitting to the fact that Trung Canidate fumbled once this year out of all 142 rushing attempts and his 10 receptions.

In conclusion, I would like Gibbs to either cut Trung Canidate, or give Trung Canidate a chance to be the #2 RB behind a revitalized offensive line.

Note: On fumbles I shall list the average of amount of fumbles per carry for each major Redskins rusher(20+ Carries)in order of highest number..

Number Of Fumbles / Attempts =
Chad Morton; 0.021
Rock Cartwright; 0.019
Trung Canidate; 0.007
Ladell Betts; No Fumbles In Barely Half The Amount Of Trung's Carries

njskinsfan · Post by **njskinsfan** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:30 pm

Would you pay $900,000 to a player that makes Desmond Howard look like Ray Lewis?

He is a big sissy and Mike Martz took us for a 4th rounder.

CUT HIM, CUT HIM, CUT HIM, CUT HIM, CUT HIM.

He might have a career in the CFL????????

Or Ballet????

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:37 pm

I take it you're referring to me as an idiot? How about you respond to my statistics intelligently and not go crazy throwing out opinionated insults?

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:28 pm

Smithian wrote:I take it you're referring to me as an idiot? How about you respond to my statistics intelligently and not go crazy throwing out opinionated insults?

I agree with you. Trung averaged over 4 yards per carry under Spurriers system. NJskinsfan calling him a sissy is retarded.

skins#1fan · Post by **skins#1fan** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:17 am

betts is more versatile. Trung couldnt do nothing between the guards and tackles all year. Betts is explosive and would be a good guy to switch out with portis and wear down teams in the 4th quarter

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:09 am

skins#1fan wrote:betts is more versatile. Trung couldnt do nothing between the guards and tackles all year. Betts is explosive and would be a good guy to switch out with portis and wear down teams in the 4th quarter

You guys really need ro study before you just type away.

How is Betts more versitile and a better runner between the tackles?

Betts averaged 3.2 yards a carry and Trung numbers were 4.2.

Now how is that better?

Stop posting crap that dont make sense! :roll:

With time you guys will get your avators, just be patient :roll:

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:12 am

I tell you what, I went to the stats to prove redskinscity wrong by whipping out career numbers to show that last year was a small sample size for both men and that Betts in reality is the better runner. I still believe Betts has a better chance of developing into a feature back, and I definetly believe if it's fourth and one, he is the guy I would rather have back there, but you can't argue with the numbers Trung has put up.

Last season's 4.2 ypc actually lowered his career ypc from just over 5.0 to 4.6. He's only fumbled four times in his entire career. You watch this guy in a game and you say, "he's not tough enough", but then you look at the stat sheet and he has a better yards per carry than Marshall Faulk, Ricky Williams and Eddie George. It will be interesting to see what Gibbs thinks.

NOTE: Just to be fair, Ladell Betts' career ypc is 4.0 and has fumbled once

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/s ... atsId=5060
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/s ... atsId=5942

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:15 am

I think you also need to remember Betts was injured and tried to come back to early, there is no question that Betts is a more physical runner

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:43 am

Steve Spurrier III wrote:I tell you what, I went to the stats to prove redskinscity wrong by whipping out career numbers to show that last year was a small sample size for both men and that Betts in reality is the better runner. I still believe Betts has a better chance of developing into a feature back, and I definetly believe if it's fourth and one, he is the guy I would rather have back there, but you can't argue with the numbers Trung has put up.

Last season's 4.2 ypc actually lowered his career ypc from just over 5.0 to 4.6. He's only fumbled four times in his entire career. You watch this guy in a game and you say, "he's not tough enough", but then you look at the stat sheet and he has a better yards per carry than Marshall Faulk, Ricky Williams and Eddie George. It will be interesting to see what Gibbs thinks.

NOTE: Just to be fair, Ladell Betts' career ypc is 4.0 and has fumbled once

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/s ... atsId=5060
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/s ... atsId=5942

Yes Sir... I always go to the stats sheet before I open thy mouth.

I am pro Trung. I believe in the right system he could excel.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:50 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:there is no question that Betts is a more physical runner

Who is the more physical runner, Tyron Wheatley or Michael Bennett? Who would you rather have on your team? The question isn't who is more physical, it is who is more productive...

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:59 am

Steve Spurrier III wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:there is no question that Betts is a more physical runner

Who is the more physical runner, Tyron Wheatley or Michael Bennett? Who would you rather have on your team? The question isn't who is more physical, it is who is more productive...

Damn you make sense!!! :idea:

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:00 am

SSIII I was talking about the guy before you and the question is who is more versitle, Betts I believe is more physical and catches passes better, but we'll see what happens, I honestly don't see giving Canidate the $$$, we should cut him, Portis is great, no need for Canidate

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:32 am

When you look at their numbers you have to go with Betts over Trung

CAP numbers not rushing numbers

FootLongHog · Post by **FootLongHog** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:33 am

candidae is a sissy...martz basically called him that in St. Louis - for the record, trung LOST two games for St. Louis all by himself with big fumbles in clutch situations.

Look, T. Jones put up a 4.6 yd/per carry avg last year and J. Stewart put up a 4.6 yd avg in his 01-02 in Detroit - those guys are still NOT GOOD. anybody can put up decent half-a-season worth of stats as starter.

obsessing over numbers is for math geeks. Trung blocks like a frightened octogenarian and I can not think of anybody worse for short yardage runs in the nfl - two things you need your backup to be able to accomplish.

Dung Candidate has too similar a style to portis anyway to be his backup...it's better to go with the more physical back to play behind portis.

there's a reason why this former 1st rnd pick could be had for chump change (4th rnder) 2 yrs ago...and there's a reason he could be had for even less now.

cut him.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:38 am

FootLongHog wrote:candidae is a sissy...martz basically called him that in St. Louis - for the record, trung LOST two games for St. Louis all by himself with big fumbles in clutch situations.

Isn't that why he lost the back up spot in St.Louis?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:23 am

I want to keep Trung. That being said, I think that FootlongHog has a point:

Trung blocks like a frightened octogenarian and I can not think of anybody worse for short yardage runs in the nfl - two things you need your backup to be able to accomplish.

However, the main talk is around Trung being a third down back for pass situations (like screens). I know that Gibbs wants Portis to stay in a lot, but it can't hurt to have that home run back in there. Besides, he might not be able to pummel the line, but with Buges system he won't have to.

Does the name Timmy Smith ring any bells?

njskinsfan · Post by **njskinsfan** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:03 pm

Canidate is as soft as they come. His yardage is bloated because of draw plays and soft Defenses.

Can you think of any third and three situations Trung ever picked up the first on? Any tough yard he ever picked up?

Can you name me a drive he ever controlled?

Can you name me a game he ever dominated??

BIG DEAL he has a high ave. per carry.

Any D-Fenses you can think of that is scared of this guy or coordinators that have to alter their gameplans because of this guy???

STATS......You guy talk'n bout STATS??? (sorry I do a bad impression of Iverson) ROTFALMAO

njskinsfan · Post by **njskinsfan** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:11 pm

Oh by the way Smithian.... Trung will be released before you get you precious Avatar ...... Hey maybe Parcells will pick him up and he can use that supposed blazing speed on turf.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:23 pm

Does anyone have Trung's cap numbers? I was under the impression that he wasn't that expensive.

By the way, I agree Trung sucks at blocking, and I already said I would take Betts over him on fourth and 1. I agree that Betts has a much brighter future than Trung. But that doesn't mean you can dismiss statistics. If over the course of his career, one guy gets one more yard than another guy, who are you going to want running the ball for you on first and 10? And don't give me that half-season bull, I expanded the stats to career numbers just to avoid that...

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:44 pm

900k a year - no signing bonus hit

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:54 pm

Also, that's true "skinsfaninroanoke". How much does Trung Canidate cost? 900K? If I were him, and looked at Brunnell and Portis's contracts, I'd be screaming NFL minimum wage.

Also, "njskinsfan"... Thats pretty good considering he was operating with some of the worst O-Line blocking schemes in history that would have one-on-one with guys like Michael Strahan. If he was running behind one of Bugel's lines, that average yards per carry stat wouldn't be to spectacular. At all.

Fanforever · Post by **Fanforever** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:17 am

It's totally impossible to adaquately evaluate Candidate's performance based on what we saw last year. Playing for a coach whose basic running play was a draw, does not give a true running back much opportunity to show what he can do. That same DRAW PLAY is the reason why Stephen Davis wanted out of that system,and who could blame him.

Hail Redskins!!!

davef · Post by **davef** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:37 pm

I'm on the fence regarding this one.

Trung could be an effective change-of-pace back in the right system. Is Gibbs' system the right one for him?

The cap number isn't high, true, but can Sultan do the same kinds of things as Trung at less of a cost? One carry doesn't tell me anything.

I hope there will be roles for Ladell and Rock to get the ball.. and if it's 3rd and 1, 1 of those guys will be in.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:50 pm

If it's third and one, I hope Clinton Portis is in the game...