Official Spagnuolo Thread/He's Staying in NY

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:52 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I have the guy - except for # 3 above this job is perfect for Jim Fassel

Danny the Clown thinks otherwise and -THAT- is enough Mr.

Also, more wood to the fire:

George Michael: Jim Fassel to be named Redskins head coach

LINK

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:02 pm

That Link is from Jan 22 - NOT that I doubt we are going to get Fassel :shock:

YUK

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:10 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I have the guy - except for # 3 above this job is perfect for Jim Fassel

Danny the Clown thinks otherwise and -THAT- is enough Mr.

Also, more wood to the fire:

George Michael: Jim Fassel to be named Redskins head coach

LINK

That's from Jan. 22nd.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:12 pm

SkinsFreak wrote: That's from Jan. 22nd.

Well, he obviously purported to know something we did not at that time. But I could be wrong and I will be DELIGHTED to be so.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:16 pm

Jim Fassel has not been a head coach since being fired from the Giants. He was also fired from Baltimore by one of his best friends.

Wow yet Daniel Snyder has interest in picking him as the head coach. This is getting better every minute. Cant wait to see what the draft is going to look like. How about using our first round pick on a punter?(sarcasm) :shock:

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:20 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:I feel like D. Snyder has botched the search for a HC and has embarrassed the franchise in the process, we waited until after the SB just to get rejected by a division rival's dcoordinator.

I'm not saying this about you, but some are really going overboard here, probably because the announcement of the new coach hasn't fit their schedule. Spagnoula wasn't even offered the job.

Snyder takes his time, doesn't make any knee-jerk reactions, performs his due diligence, conducts a thorough process (confirmed by the commissioner) and some just want to bash him because he didn't make the decision faster or to their time parameters.

I'm on record for wanting Williams, as are several of the players. But come on, at that time, Williams was still their coach. Are the players really going to come out and say... "man, that Gregg is a pain in the butt, I hope they look elsewhere for a new coach!" They ain't gonna say that publicly, they will support their "current" coach, because that the prudent and politically correct thing to do, regardless of how they feel inside.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:23 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote: That's from Jan. 22nd.
Well, he obviously purported to know something we did not at that time. But I could be wrong and I will be DELIGHTED to be so.

I hope you're wrong too. :wink:

And they've been saying "Fassel is expected to be named...." for 3 weeks now.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:40 pm

I'm surprised that he waited to go after Fassel - IF the hirings were recommended by Fassel (as some have claimed) and Snyder was so enamored by him, why wait? To interview a coach who really has not had that great a season (allowed 41 TDs and was under our own DC, stat wise for his defensive unit) just does not make sense. :shock:

Snyder never even offered the job to Spagnuolo - what was the wait really all about?

This makes no sense - IF Snyder was worried about the fan reaction to Fassel before, imagine what the fans are thinking now? :lol:

This is really effing amazing - pardon my French :roll:

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:30 am

I'm not understanding Fassel as a candidate...he lost the locker room in his last season in NY, then the last time I saw him he was an assistant under Billick in Baltimore not exactly setting the world on fire. Who-ever the Redskins choose I will try and get excited about after all I was psyched about Norv when he came, then Marty, Spurrier etc. but Fassel is going to be a hard sell.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:31 am

This makes no sense - IF Snyder was worried about the fan reaction to Fassel before, imagine what the fans are thinking now? Laughing

It's more than just the fan reaction. Fassel is going to look like a joke to the entire league. Mora Jr. and Spagnuolo pull out of the search and Fassel is just being kept on ice. If he takes the job after this long of a wait he looks spineless and desperate.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:37 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
This makes no sense - IF Snyder was worried about the fan reaction to Fassel before, imagine what the fans are thinking now? Laughing

It's more than just the fan reaction. Fassel is going to look like a joke to the entire league. Mora Jr. and Spagnuolo pull out of the search and Fassel is just being kept on ice. If he takes the job after this long of a wait he looks spineless and desperate.

Exactly...

He won't have his choice of anything....

He didn't choose any structure, coaches, assistants or even the job. :lol:

I'm loving this because maybe this failure will be a wake up call. But I doubt it.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:45 am

This search is officially a joke. The NFL Combine is less than two weeks away and free agency is less than a month away and we don't even have a head coach yet.

ChocolateMilk · Post by **ChocolateMilk** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:07 am

hahaha i just love how in every single thread i've looked at tonight, at least one person is saying how much they hate daniel snyder or how he needs to go. it doesnt matter what the thread is.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:13 am

Snyder takes his time, doesn't make any knee-jerk reactions, performs his due diligence, conducts a thorough process (confirmed by the commissioner) and some just want to bash him because he didn't make the decision faster or to their time parameters.

Did you have a straight face when you said that :?:

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:20 am

DEHog wrote:
Snyder takes his time, doesn't make any knee-jerk reactions, performs his due diligence, conducts a thorough process (confirmed by the commissioner) and some just want to bash him because he didn't make the decision faster or to their time parameters.

Did you have a straight face when you said that

Yes, I did. Would I have liked a decision sooner? You bet. Did I initially want Williams? Absolutely. But some knee-jerk decision just to appease some fans is not my idea of an acceptable process. You don't just hire the first guy to come along. In major companies, interviewing can take months with numerous interviews for one candidate. I am absolutely of the opinion that you gather as much information as possible before making a final decision. I know some wish it could be faster, but the fact remains, in this case anyway, Snyder had to wait until after the Superbowl to interview Spags.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:38 am

Hey Skinsfreak, I agree with you on the don't hire the first guy that comes along but also, you don't fire a guy after 1 or 2 losing seasons when you swear in time he'll change it around. We're going on what, twenty something head coach now???? Well, Spagz is out so screw this thread. I want Mooch.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:42 am

Gibbs4Life wrote:I feel like D. Snyder has botched the search for a HC and has embarrassed the franchise in the process, we waited until after the SB just to get rejected by a division rival's dcoordinator.

I agree that Snyder seems to have really made a mess of this BUT I'm not sure we are getting the full picture. I am really more disappointed in his communications with the fans about how the process is proceeding given that he is in the communication business. He is "reportedly" screwing things up badly, but as they say - "the proof is in the pudding" - we will soon see!

However, Snyder (& the FO) did not make an offer to Spagnuolo - the Giants offer to Spags came after the meetings and after he was told "thanks for coming". This was not his decision, it was made by our guys. He may make a really good HC but IMO he is not quite there yet.

Unfortunately, by trying to be as thorough as he can it seems that Snyder has limited his choices but we really will not find that out thru the stupid press - that will really only become apparent after we find out who our new HC is. :oops:

IF we end up with Mariucci I will be a happy camper. :lol:

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:01 am

SkinsFreak wrote:
DEHog wrote:
Snyder takes his time, doesn't make any knee-jerk reactions, performs his due diligence, conducts a thorough process (confirmed by the commissioner) and some just want to bash him because he didn't make the decision faster or to their time parameters.

Did you have a straight face when you said that

I know some wish it could be faster, but the fact remains, in this case anyway, Snyder had to wait until after the Superbowl to interview Spags.

So Snyder had to wait until after the SB to interview a guy you said...

I don't really think Snyder ever truly intended to hire him

Karl is that you??

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:05 am

SkinsJock wrote:Unfortunately, by trying to be as thorough as he can it seems that Snyder has limited his choices but we really will not find that out thru the stupid press - that will really only become apparent after we find out who our new HC is.
IF we end up with Mariucci I will be a happy camper.

Completely agree. I can't blame Snyder for wanting interview evey possible candidate, before he makes a decision. If he had hired the first buy he talked to, everyone would be complaining about that, "he should at least do some interviews, and see whos out there." IMO snyder is trying to do the right thing.

Like you said, by doing this other coaches aren't being patient to wait and see who Danny hires. IMO that just tells me that they didn't really want the job, and why would we want someone like that anyway.

We all know Snyder could have made Spags he couldn't turn down, if he wanted him. Had he done that, we would have a HC now, but we would have one that is just here for the money.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:10 am

spagz did not pass the derelic test I guess.....

EDIT: LoL Wonderlic, I meant wonderlic

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:29 am

DEHog wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
DEHog wrote:
Snyder takes his time, doesn't make any knee-jerk reactions, performs his due diligence, conducts a thorough process (confirmed by the commissioner) and some just want to bash him because he didn't make the decision faster or to their time parameters.

Did you have a straight face when you said that

I know some wish it could be faster, but the fact remains, in this case anyway, Snyder had to wait until after the Superbowl to interview Spags.

So Snyder had to wait until after the SB to interview a guy you said...

I don't really think Snyder ever truly intended to hire him

Karl is that you??

I was going to say this in the the other thread but canceled it, I'm glad somebody else realized it.

You applaud Danny for not really wanting Spags but why would Danny delay the process by WEEKS to interview someone he doesn't want?

Spags wasn't offered the job because it never got that far. He would have had the job if he wanted it. Or let's put it this way, if Danny didn't prebake the coaching staff, Spags would have taken the job. I think most HC's can stomach Vinny and this unorthodox FO but they can't take being forced to use people they have 0 chemistry with!

Spags was INTELLIGENT to not take this crummy job. I hate Sally Jenkins but she was right in that this job is not attractive. Riggo was saying it on the radio. People come here to get paid, that's it and even that's not enough anymore.

CBS Sportsline wrote:Why? How about a meddling owner? How about assuming two coordinators who are already there? How about a personnel chief who is Snyder's shadow?

So why take the job?

I'm a big believer in the value of NFL head-coaching jobs. There are only 32 of them, and you never know when the shine will come off your career. So if you can, I usually say take the job.

In this case, Spagnuolo probably made the right decision. If he's really being paid near $3 million a season, the Giants might be going to $6 million a season for Tom Coughlin's extension, which is coming.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/w.../entry/10612907

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:43 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
DEHog wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
DEHog wrote:
Snyder takes his time, doesn't make any knee-jerk reactions, performs his due diligence, conducts a thorough process (confirmed by the commissioner) and some just want to bash him because he didn't make the decision faster or to their time parameters.

Did you have a straight face when you said that

I know some wish it could be faster, but the fact remains, in this case anyway, Snyder had to wait until after the Superbowl to interview Spags.

So Snyder had to wait until after the SB to interview a guy you said...

I don't really think Snyder ever truly intended to hire him

Karl is that you??

I was going to say this in the the other thread but canceled it, I'm glad somebody else realized it.

You applaud Danny for not really wanting Spags but why would Danny delay the process by WEEKS to interview someone he doesn't want?

Spags wasn't offered the job because it never got that far. He would have had the job if he wanted it. Or let's put it this way, if Danny didn't prebake the coaching staff, Spags would have taken the job. I think most HC's can stomach Vinny and this unorthodox FO but they can't take being forced to use people they have 0 chemistry with!

Spags was INTELLIGENT to not take this crummy job. I hate Sally Jenkins but she was right in that this job is not attractive. Riggo was saying it on the radio. People come here to get paid, that's it and even that's not enough anymore.

CBS Sportsline wrote:Why? How about a meddling owner? How about assuming two coordinators who are already there? How about a personnel chief who is Snyder's shadow?

So why take the job?

I'm a big believer in the value of NFL head-coaching jobs. There are only 32 of them, and you never know when the shine will come off your career. So if you can, I usually say take the job.

In this case, Spagnuolo probably made the right decision. If he's really being paid near $3 million a season, the Giants might be going to $6 million a season for Tom Coughlin's extension, which is coming.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/w.../entry/10612907

My oh my where have all the Snyder backers gone???

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:58 am

I'm not a Snyder backer, actually far from it, but I also think:

Were better off without Spagnuolo - whether he decided not to come here OR the FO decided not to go after him, I could care less :lol:

The Washington Redskins can still end up with a coach who despite all the detractors can put a competitive product on the field this year. :lol:

That there are a lot of detractors that are prematurely deciding that there are no coaches in the NFL that want to be the Head Coach here.

There are a lot of fans and especially the media that are just hoping that this works out badly for the Redskins. Basically these people want a bad result rather than hoping something good comes from this.

As I said I am very disappointed in how things are going and am willing to blame a lot of that on Snyder BUT I am also hoping we end up with a good HC and am going to continue to hope that things work out with this coach search.

For those that are hoping for a disaster - keep it up, wishing it will happen might help. :roll:

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:01 pm

So many people are making assumptions here it is just flat out ridiculous. You know what is embarrassing - all of the fans and media screaming the sky is falling or making Snyder out to be some type of buffoon. What has he done that is so terrible in this coaching search?

> "he hired the coordinators first"
- Wrong he hired Jim Zorn all the rest where already on his staff. He "promoted" Blanche to the title he had last year. Do you honestly think if there was a guy Snyder really wanted to hire right now and he said "I don't want Zorn or Blanche" do you really think Snyder wouldn't let them go. Yeah, he would have to pay Zorn a bunch of money for nothing, but Snyder did that w/Lloyd and AA why not Zorn. Blanche didn't get an extension so he owes him the exact same amount that he did before Blanche was "promoted"

> "he waited until after the SB to interview Spags and Spags turned him down"
- first, we don't know if Spags turned him down or if Spags was ever offered the job.
- second, Snyder and Vinny made a list of who they wanted to interview and Spags was on it. Snyder said that he didn't think he was going to have to wait until after the SB to interview Spags, but he wanted to follow through w/his plan. No one expected the Giants to get past Dullass let alone make it to the SB.

> "everyone has turned us down"
- Carroll and Mora are the only people we know of that truly turned us down. Carroll was a long shot and Mora was just using Snyder for job security in Seattle.

You and the media simply make me want to puke w/all of the self righteous, all knowing, repugnant, assumption you have made about Snyder.

Do I like Snyder as an owner, not really, but he is much better than the Bears, Cardinals, Aints, or Bills owner. He gets way to much flap from people that truly don't know what they are talking about.
He has fed the fire by not keeping people informed, but that is all he is guilty of.

GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES PEOPLE!

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:44 pm

It's the WHY they have turned us down that bother me...You don't think coaches talk just like owners do...what is being said about working for Dan Snyder...You think Gregg Williams has had a few conversations with fellow coaches the past few weeks??

Stop thinking he’s doing "due diligence" and open your eyes to what's really going on !!! Of course we want a good coach and are "rooting" for the best...as hard as that is right now!