Official Spagnuolo Thread/He's Staying in NY

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:50 pm

DEHog wrote:Not sure he's qualified...guys like Osi, Strahan and Tuck would make most coasches look good

Well, Tuck blew up this year under Spagnuolo.

And he had that entire defense playing hard. They definitely responded to him.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:51 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
DEHog wrote:Not sure he's qualified...guys like Osi, Strahan and Tuck would make most coasches look good

Well, Tuck blew up this year under Spagnuolo.

And Portis blew up Tuck, not that said hit is relevant to the topic at-hand, I just like remembering it

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:55 pm

Fios wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:
DEHog wrote:Not sure he's qualified...guys like Osi, Strahan and Tuck would make most coasches look good

Well, Tuck blew up this year under Spagnuolo.

And Portis blew up Tuck, not that said hit is relevant to the topic at-hand, I just like remembering it

Ah Portis really killed Shelton Quarles in the TB game....I like remembering this one lol

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:01 pm

I LOVE tuck...go back and look at the two plays at the end of the Giants game...Tuck blew them both up!!

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:12 pm

All things considered, I don't think SpongeBob-o (or however you spell his name) is a good fit here.

I don't think it has anything to do with whether he is a good fit with Blache (he probably would be) but I think it has everything to do with Zorn.

We would wind up with a HC and an OC that have never called an offensive play in their lives (calling the play on the field, is not the same as choosing the play to send out to the QB).

I'm thinking Mariucci is the best fit here...

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:35 pm

jazzskins wrote:
UK Skins Fan wrote:So, there you have it - he's been a Redskin all along. The performance of his defence against the Patriots definitely makes him well worthy of an interview, but I don't see how he'd be a good fit in Washington. It would mean a change of defensive scheme, which blows away the only remaining continuity we have.

How would the scheme change?

Damn - my bluff was called. :wink:

Actually, on further reflection, it may be that Spagnuolo's philosophy (at least on a superficial level) is not dissimilar to either Williams' or Blache's. He's certainly a gambler and a lover of the blitz (although Williams seemed to move away from that).

I think the bigger issue with the Spagnuolo option, as others have said, is his lack of head coaching experience combined with Zorn's lack of playcalling experience. I'd want to see an experienced man involved in running the offence, and I'd prefer that not to be Breaux or Bugel at this time (let Bugel concentrate on the o-line - he's got his hands full with that job).

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:08 pm

WASHINGTON -- Twenty-four hours after his defense stymied the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl, New York Giants assistant Steve Spagnuolo had to steady himself amid euphoria and begin his interview process with the Washington Redskins.

Spagnuolo and team owner Dan Snyder spoke by phone for 90 minutes Monday night about the Redskins' coaching vacancy. Then, after another euphoric moment -- Tuesday's ticker-tape parade for the Giants through Manhattan in which players and coaches received keys to the city -- Spagnuolo was to be picked up by one of Snyder's planes and flown to Washington so the two could talk face-to-face at Snyder's house.

Spagnuolo was to spend the night at a guesthouse on Snyder's property -- the same treatment given several other contenders for the job -- before resuming the interview Wednesday morning.

The talks were confirmed by two people familiar with the Redskins selection process, both speaking on condition of anonymity to The Associated Press because the team has preferred to keep details of the process private.

Spagnuolo, Ron Meeks and Jim Fassel are the three remaining possible replacements for Joe Gibbs, who resigned Jan. 8. Snyder plans to huddle with his brain trust late Wednesday with the hope of making a selection. He would then have to negotiate a contract with his choice before making an announcement, which could come Thursday or Friday.

Spagnuolo couldn't be any hotter at the moment. His defense sacked Tom Brady five times and held the Patriots -- who hadn't scored fewer than 20 points in a game all season -- to 14 points in one of the biggest upsets in Super Bowl history.

This was the 48-year-old coach's first season as a defensive coordinator, and it couldn't have started off any worse -- 80 points allowed in the first two games -- but New York's late-season surge put him on Snyder's list of candidates, with the owner not realizing at the time that he would have to wait several weeks for an interview because of the Giants' unexpected Super Bowl run.

Spagnuolo has a history with the Redskins, albeit brief, having been a front office intern in 1983. He also spent two seasons as an assistant coach in NFL Europe and was with the Philadelphia Eagles for eight seasons -- the last three as linebackers coach -- before joining the Giants last year.

Meeks and Spagnuolo are similar candidates. Neither has been a head coach, and Meeks, 53, was in Spagnuolo's position a year ago, having won a Super Bowl as the defensive coordinator with the Indianapolis Colts. Meeks was also the secondary coach when the St. Louis Rams won the NFL title in 2001. Like Spagnuolo, he has spent a season with the Redskins, coaching the defensive backs in 2000.

Meeks and former New York Giants coach Fassel have each met with Snyder multiple times about the job. Both have had to wait out the process while Snyder bided his time for a chance to talk to Spagnuolo.

Snyder has met with several other candidates, all of whom are no longer under consideration for various reasons. Those candidates included Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, Seattle Seahawks defensive backs coach Jim Mora, former Redskins assistant Gregg Williams, former San Francisco 49ers and Detroit Lions coach Steve Mariucci and Southern Cal coach Pete Carroll.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3232394

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:21 pm

on second thought i,m going in to interview for the HC job on wednesday...

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:41 pm

Personally, I'm tired of this BS:

The talks were confirmed by two people familiar with the Redskins selection process, both speaking on condition of anonymity to The Associated Press because the team has preferred to keep details of the process private

I'm starting to guess it's Vinny and Dan giving up that information. These people should man up if they're gonna be snitches. That sure ticks me off!!

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:45 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Personally, I'm tired of this BS:

The talks were confirmed by two people familiar with the Redskins selection process, both speaking on condition of anonymity to The Associated Press because the team has preferred to keep details of the process private

I'm starting to guess it's Vinny and Dan giving up that information. These people should man up if they're gonna be snitches. That sure ticks me off!!

LoL nothing like a lil off season drama... I wonder if it's the players snitchin....

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:23 pm

gibbsfan wrote:on second thought i,m going in to interview for the HC job on wednesday...

would you like any help or is this something you feel you can handle by yourself? :wink:

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:39 pm

I certainly hope we get some great offensive production this year if this guy is the coach - the Giants gave up over 40 TDs this season #23 and were bottom half of the NFL in scoring defense = #17 :lol:

No worries, we'll have Campbell all rev'd up with his 7th offensive coach in 5 years :shock:

and this guy Zorn - whom I like BTW - has not called a game yet :lol:

HOLA

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:04 pm

Gil Brandt just speculating on Sirius that he felt with the result of the Super Bowl, Spags is our HC for sure :lol:

can this really happen that a guy that has a OK season as a co-ordinator for a team that gave up 80 points in the first 2 games when offenses weren't even warmed up can somehow be a defensive guru?

I can think of a lot of guys I'd rather have than this guy - there are college coaches that can probably do what he did - if this is who Snyder was waiting for, I'm really very disappointed.

I just cannot believe he and Cerrato would make that big a mistake - Fassel would be bad BUT he would be better than this guy :roll:

I just think we need more help offensively than a defensive guy that really is not that great IMHO

Gnome · Post by **Gnome** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:41 am

I've been blistering mad about this whole Gibbs bails then chaos reigns deal.

BUT I could live with Spags. I'll never accept Fossil.

Here is why.

Fossil is a relic who hasn't coached as a HC since 03. And he was largely uninspiring as HC. The NFC East has changed dramatically since 03. And in the years since, Fossil the slime relic was axed by the Ravens for leading their inept offense nowhere. Plus he's a diplomat, a politician kind of a coach. I hate those guys.

Spags is all football. Like Andy Ried, Bill B, and early Gibbs, the guy is a football guy - his career says so - no moves to try to be a HC anywhere, willing to coach any position on defense, willing to scout, willing to work with a staff already in place, willing to coach overseas, and obviously knows what he's doing. And he's been in the NFC East since 03. He knows Romo, and Eli, and Mcnabb and the Skins.

My only concern is that he doesn't know the offense and would have to leave that to Zorn. But with the entire staff returning with Zorn only needing to replace Saunders and son and a QB coach - two roles which Zorn personally fills - I'm hopeful that the offense would be fine.

Fossil the weasel relic is a political coach with a face like Frank Burns. He's an uninspired hire. And the kind of mistake that grounds a team in the land of 8-8 for another half decade.

Who knows with Spags. But I would rather gamble on the upside than play it boring with a retread political type of coach. Infuse the team with potential and I'll be happy. Fossil the relic would be Marty the sequal and I'll be searching for another team to follow (I live in SEC country so it's not hard to ignore pro-ball since most future great pros are already playing down here already)

Hire Spags! Never mention that retread again!

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:13 am

At this point the next HC will be the first one who says yes!

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:15 am

DEHog wrote:At this point the next HC will be the first one who says yes!

Generally, that's always true.

Except if you're Notre Dame and you ask George O'Leary...

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:18 am

HOW MUCH LONGER BEFORE THE DANNY MAKES UP HIS MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! ;furious;

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:34 am

My only hope is that Spagnuolo gets us a pass rush... He alone knows the importance of it, nobody else at Redskins park does.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:51 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:My only hope is that Spagnuolo gets us a pass rush... He alone knows the importance of it, nobody else at Redskins park does.

Me too

Why he would be interested in us getting a pass rush is a little confusing, but we do need one.

For his sake, I also hope that Spagnuolo is back in NY trying to help their defense next year. Those guys gave gave up a lot of TDs (41) and, in a game that they needed against us, with our #2 QB, at home, they looked pretty sad :lol:

Hopefully we get someone in here as our HC that can continue the progress this team has made. i don't think that is Spagnuolo.

I guess, this is it :wink:

The interviews end today and hopefully by Thursday or Friday we all find out what the wait was for.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:32 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:My only hope is that Spagnuolo gets us a pass rush... He alone knows the importance of it, nobody else at Redskins park does.

This is what concerns me the most about Blache as the DC. His comments about corner backs being the most important part of the defense didn't help either.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:43 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:My only hope is that Spagnuolo gets us a pass rush... He alone knows the importance of it, nobody else at Redskins park does.

This is what concerns me the most about Blache as the DC. His comments about corner backs being the most important part of the defense didn't help either.

Just FYI I remember a long time Richie Petitbone saying the same thing; with great corners playing man to man, it frees you up to do a lot more blitz-wise.

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:44 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:My only hope is that Spagnuolo gets us a pass rush... He alone knows the importance of it, nobody else at Redskins park does.

This is what concerns me the most about Blache as the DC. His comments about corner backs being the most important part of the defense didn't help either.

Really? I watched that feature, and his justification for that comment was that it's hard to generate a pass rush of more than four, if you have to drop people into zone coverage to help out weaker corners.

He basically said that if you have good man-to-man corners, you can take more chances with the pass rush.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:03 pm

Bob 0119 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:My only hope is that Spagnuolo gets us a pass rush... He alone knows the importance of it, nobody else at Redskins park does.

This is what concerns me the most about Blache as the DC. His comments about corner backs being the most important part of the defense didn't help either.

Really? I watched that feature, and his justification for that comment was that it's hard to generate a pass rush of more than four, if you have to drop people into zone coverage to help out weaker corners.

He basically said that if you have good man-to-man corners, you can take more chances with the pass rush.

Isn't that the reverse of what CLL always says? :hmm:

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:42 pm

DEHog wrote:At this point the next HC will be the first one who says yes!

The only ones that said no were Pete Carroll and Jim Mora. Jim Mora wanted the SheHawks job and used Snyder to get it. And Pete Carroll, why on Earth would anyone leave USC to coach ANY NFL team. He worshipped there like Gibbs was the first time he was here. You work way less hours. You have no cap. He is aways going to have talent. If you were a high school star would you rather hang out in LA w/all the beautiful Coeds out there or freezing in Wissconsin or Ohio w/all of the "winter weighted" Coeds? No NFL job is THAT atractive.

Fassell would jump at the job. Mooch has been salivating on the NFL network everytime he is asked about the job. Meeks would take the job w/o even thinking. And I'm sure Grimm would take it in a heart beat too (if only Snyder wanted him!)

So don't make it sound like no one wants this job!

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:45 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:My only hope is that Spagnuolo gets us a pass rush... He alone knows the importance of it, nobody else at Redskins park does.

This is what concerns me the most about Blache as the DC. His comments about corner backs being the most important part of the defense didn't help either.

Just FYI I remember a long time Richie Petitbone saying the same thing; with great corners playing man to man, it frees you up to do a lot more blitz-wise.

Of course, Richie almost always had a stud DL or 3 that could really get after QBs.