Offensive Minded Head Coach?

ComebackSkins · Post by **ComebackSkins** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:37 pm

Snyder is destroying all that Joe Gibbs helped to establish here, and it makes me sick.

Having said that, it looks like to me that many members of the defensive staff are staying put, and Greg Blache is very well regarded by many , including Williams himself. So maybe our future does not seem that bleak in that regard. He used to call plays for the browns, so I think (hope) he will be fine.

On the other hand, Jim zorn has not called plays in the NFL and was a quaterbacks coach for seatle. To me that promotion does not make sense unless he will be supplemented and mentored by an offensive minded head coach. Now out of the superbowl, the only standout for a HC position might be spangulo (sp?) so it doesnt seem to correlate. Are there any bright offensive minds out there that might be considered for a HC position?

I hope its not pete carol, dont like the idea of another college head coach coming to the skins.

EDIT: Mcdaniels is probably too young to be considered...plus he stated that he is staying in new england. I know thats not set in stone...but still.

HardDawg · Post by **HardDawg** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:59 pm

Am I the only one that thinks we are totally screwed?

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:29 pm

Going into this process Snyder's worst fear was that the media and consequently the league would see through the interview charade and figure out what I have said all along....Gregg Williams will be the next head coach of the Washington Redskins. Because of that fear our owner has gone to great lengths interviewing many candidates black and white from lots of teams and even prolonging appointment of head coach until after the SB as to "keep all our options open" Don't believe what Mort and the Post have said, they only are making assumptions not stating fact...THE FACT is Gregg Williams is not out of consideration for Head Coach, in my opinion GW was behind the Zorn hiring and the Blache promotion, and it even looks like a Vinny idea to "release" GW in order to sign Blache as Defensive Coordinator. The reason this is all taking soo long is to keep the appearence of a fair process when in fact we have had our new Head Coach chosen for the last 4 years. Does anyone honestly think Snyder would hire both co-ordinators without direction from the future HC, absolutely not, why do you think they're were 4 official interviews and Lord knows how many secret conversations; Gregg Williams will be the Next Head Coach mark my words.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:30 pm

On the other hand, Jim zorn has not called plays in the NFL and was a quaterbacks coach for seatle. To me that promotion does not make sense unless he will be supplemented and mentored by an offensive minded head coach. Now out of the superbowl, the only standout for a HC position might be spangulo (sp?) so it doesnt seem to correlate. Are there any bright offensive minds out there that might be considered for a HC position?

I think that's why they were looking at Fassel as well. Fassel calls his own plays.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:35 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Going into this process Snyder's worst fear was that the media and consequently the league would see through the interview charade and figure out what I have said all along....Gregg Williams will be the next head coach of the Washington Redskins. Because of that fear our owner has gone to great lengths interviewing many candidates black and white from lots of teams and even prolonging appointment of head coach until after the SB as to "keep all our options open" Don't believe what Mort and the Post have said, they only are making assumptions not stating fact...THE FACT is Gregg Williams is not out of consideration for Head Coach, in my opinion GW was behind the Zorn hiring and the Blache promotion, and it even looks like a Vinny idea to "release" GW in order to sign Blache as Defensive Coordinator. The reason this is all taking soo long is to keep the appearence of a fair process when in fact we have had our new Head Coach chosen for the last 4 years. Does anyone honestly think Snyder would hire both co-ordinators without direction from the future HC, absolutely not, why do you think they're were 4 official interviews and Lord knows how many secret conversations; Gregg Williams will be the Next Head Coach mark my words.

I'm not saying you're wrong,but I heard VC say that "Once, we figured out that Gregg was no longer in the running we decided to let him go so he could go get a job."

That kind of sound like they have no plans that involve GW.

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:43 pm

but I heard VC say that "Once, we figured out that Gregg was no longer in the running we decided to let him go so he could go get a job."

Where did VC say that?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:44 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:I'm not saying you're wrong,but I heard VC say that "Once, we figured out that Gregg was no longer in the running we decided to let him go so he could go get a job."

That kind of sound like they have no plans that involve GW.

GW is definitely out of contention.

GW was Joe's candidate. Cerrato made sure he was not the head coach.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:45 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:
but I heard VC say that "Once, we figured out that Gregg was no longer in the running we decided to let him go so he could go get a job."

Where did VC say that?

On Comcast outside of Redskins Park!

jmskins26 · Post by **jmskins26** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:54 pm

HardDawg wrote:Am I the only one that thinks we are totally screwed?

believe me. you're not alone.

Englands Team · Post by **Englands Team** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:00 pm

Does it matter if the HC is offensive or defensively minded. Marvin Lewis in Cinci and Brian Billick were very good co ordinators but were unable to bring those strengths to Head Coaching jobs. In fact the strengths of their teams was the opposite of what you would expect.

On a personal note I am a great believer in your better coaches being at the skill positions. Your X and O coaches at Co ordinators and an effective manager at head coach.

You can have a head coach who has developed several top flight quaterbacks who would never be able to lead an organisation to success. Its just outside his skill set.

Yet someone who has limited teaching ability on a coaching level may be a great orgainser and strategist who can make a great head coach.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:06 pm

Does it matter if the HC is offensive or defensively minded. Marvin Lewis in Cinci and Brian Billick were very good co ordinators but were unable to bring those strengths to Head Coaching jobs. In fact the strengths of their teams was the opposite of what you would expect.

The main reason why it would matter here is that Zorn has never called his own plays in the NFL. The last time that he called an offense was in 1992-1994 at Utah State. So having a head coach like Fassell ( :puke:

) that calls his own plays might help Zorn with the transition to OC.

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:13 pm

Who's opinion does Snyder value more Gibbs' or Cerrato's?

Answer: Gibbs'

Who was Joe's suggestion?

Answer: Gregg Williams

What has Snyder done thusfar?

Answer: Keep up appearences of a fair process while officially not
ruling anyone out of contention.

But Vinny said "once we figured out GW was out of the running we let
him go so he could go get a job"

Answer: out of the running for defensive coordinator so he could
go get a job as head coach.

What a coincidence we've assembled the exact staff preferred by Gregg Williams, what a coincidence the front office has allowed the media to set themselves up for embarrassment.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:28 pm

I can hardly believe it when people talk about what "Joe Gibbs built!"

Um, Joe Gibbs built NOTHING! Our team is older and similar in talent to the teams that came in the years before.

Gibbs kept the status quo, but honestly he never built anything in his second stint with the Redskins.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:31 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Who's opinion does Snyder value more Gibbs' or Cerrato's?

Answer: Gibbs'

Who was Joe's suggestion?

Answer: Gregg Williams

What has Snyder done thusfar?

Answer: Keep up appearences of a fair process while officially not
ruling anyone out of contention.

But Vinny said "once we figured out GW was out of the running we let
him go so he could go get a job"

Answer: out of the running for defensive coordinator so he could
go get a job as head coach.

What a coincidence we've assembled the exact staff preferred by Gregg Williams, what a coincidence the front office has allowed the media to set themselves up for embarrassment.

Wow!

Anyone ever seen an ostrich hide with his head in the sand. He can't see what is happening around him, so everything must be fine.

That post was an Ostrich!

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:42 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Who's opinion does Snyder value more Gibbs' or Cerrato's?

Answer: Gibbs'

Who was Joe's suggestion?

Answer: Gregg Williams

What has Snyder done thusfar?

Answer: Keep up appearences of a fair process while officially not
ruling anyone out of contention.

But Vinny said "once we figured out GW was out of the running we let
him go so he could go get a job"

Answer: out of the running for defensive coordinator so he could
go get a job as head coach.

What a coincidence we've assembled the exact staff preferred by Gregg Williams, what a coincidence the front office has allowed the media to set themselves up for embarrassment.

This post and your last are the posts of the decade if you're right.

DarthMonk

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:08 pm

This post and your last are the posts of the decade if you're right.

Today in ESPN.com John Clayton has an article saying we will interview Meeks a second time; again all apart of the Snyder mirage, it finishes the article by making a point to say

The Redskins are saying they are undecided about whom they will hire as head coach. Owner Dan Snyder has been insistent on having a strong interview process before hiring the replacement for Gibbs, who retired following the team's playoff loss to the Seahawks

Our front office has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes...the media and the league, Gregg is the man, after the SB you'll see, it'll be "After carefully and thoroughly examining interviewing and discussing all possible candidates we came to the conclusion Gregg Williams was the best man for this team...yada yada yada" and then its clean, they don't have to hear "IT WASNT FAIR" and "RACISTS!" or "YOU JUST DID WHAT JOE SAID" they don't have to hear any of that crap because they were willing to put us fans through this charade. Its actually a smart strategy but if all of us who know this team will trust what we know instead of what espn and the post tell us then we'll see through it, also I think alot of fans are just too eager to condemn Snyder. All we've lost since Joe has been Al Saunders , his son, and possibly Lazor, that's all. We've gained Zorn whom Gregg was probably impressed by with the Seattle game being what it was. Have faith Skins fans, Gregg is coming back.

ComebackSkins · Post by **ComebackSkins** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:23 pm

What gibbs has build is continuity and some level of respect. Weve been in 3 playoff games. How many playoff games have we had between those and gibbs first stint as head coach? I think we had something special brewing this year, and the defense played well even after sean taylors passing (RIP).

I only brought this up because of zorns lack of experience in calling plays. We'll see what happens.

Gibbs4life I would be static if you are right, but I just cant see them letting greg go only to rehire him. [-o<

Very difficult to believe tho.

Although its strange that so much of the staff has been selected. Is there any precedent to this other than jason garret being signed? Its almost lunacy to me...how much of dallas offensive staff came with garret? or were they already in place?

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:30 pm

i would be concerned leaving zorn out on an island like that if i weren't bringing in an offensive mind. I think they are going to offer the job to mcdaniels and if he won't take it they'll give it to fassel.

Mississippi Hog · Post by **Mississippi Hog** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:36 pm

Gibbshater4life,

I mean Gibbs4life,

I hope you are right about Williams. However, Zorn and Blache were also highly mentioned and regarded by Fassel in his interviews. Blache will, I guess, bring continuity for the Defense. He will probably run Williams' system. Fassel would, as someone else said, call his own plays, and help Zorn transition to OC. I doubt Williams will be back. He will probably end up going to Dallas or something and take it to us next year and for years to come.

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:43 pm

I think I've made the case for why it makes sense what Snyder is doing, he needs the league to see just what Clayton wrote today he needs them to see a strong interview process so when he announces, they have no recourse. And also because he (Snyder) knows in his heart that he already knows who he wants and has for two years ever since he Gregg signed an extension, Gregg did so with the promise that when the time came for Gibbs to step down he would assume the position, with that Gregg made a committment to the Redskins, he turned down other possible Head Coaching opportunities in I think St Louis, KC, and Houston
and the Redskins made a committment to Gregg in $$$ and title.
Also consider how unprecedented it is to name two new coordinators if in fact you are "undecided" who your HC will be, its ludacris and insane, the only plausible explination is the one I've given in my two previous posts. To fire Williams is one thing, but to immediately name Blache DC is telling, fishy, and says to me the plan is in motion...
#1 Present a fair extensive process
#2 Assemble coaching staff at the behest of Williams
#3 After SB you give the man you've wanted all along the reins to the
Redskins.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:53 pm

ComebackSkins wrote:Snyder is destroying all that Joe Gibbs helped to establish here, and it makes me sick.

Having said that, it looks like to me that many members of the defensive staff are staying put, and Greg Blache is very well regarded by many , including Williams himself. So maybe our future does not seem that bleak in that regard. He used to call plays for the browns, so I think (hope) he will be fine.

On the other hand, Jim zorn has not called plays in the NFL and was a quaterbacks coach for seatle. To me that promotion does not make sense unless he will be supplemented and mentored by an offensive minded head coach. Now out of the superbowl, the only standout for a HC position might be spangulo (sp?) so it doesnt seem to correlate. Are there any bright offensive minds out there that might be considered for a HC position?

I hope its not pete carol, dont like the idea of another college head coach coming to the skins.

EDIT: Mcdaniels is probably too young to be considered...plus he stated that he is staying in new england. I know thats not set in stone...but still.

Joe Gibbs did a awesome in taking out team out of the dumps, but other then that what did we establish? We had more games where we were leading at halftime and our offense would come out in the 2nd half and sputter and we lost MOST of the games. Look at all the games that we lost and Most of them were after we had a nice lead. Look, at the first Giants game we played and against the Packers.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:55 pm

HardDawg wrote:Am I the only one that thinks we are totally screwed?

You might be. Because I am not getting down. I have faith that Dan Snyder has finally learned. If we win the SuperBowl I don't want to hear you say I knew we would do it.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:57 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Going into this process Snyder's worst fear was that the media and consequently the league would see through the interview charade and figure out what I have said all along....Gregg Williams will be the next head coach of the Washington Redskins. Because of that fear our owner has gone to great lengths interviewing many candidates black and white from lots of teams and even prolonging appointment of head coach until after the SB as to "keep all our options open" Don't believe what Mort and the Post have said, they only are making assumptions not stating fact...THE FACT is Gregg Williams is not out of consideration for Head Coach, in my opinion GW was behind the Zorn hiring and the Blache promotion, and it even looks like a Vinny idea to "release" GW in order to sign Blache as Defensive Coordinator. The reason this is all taking soo long is to keep the appearence of a fair process when in fact we have had our new Head Coach chosen for the last 4 years. Does anyone honestly think Snyder would hire both co-ordinators without direction from the future HC, absolutely not, why do you think they're were 4 official interviews and Lord knows how many secret conversations; Gregg Williams will be the Next Head Coach mark my words.

Greg Williams will NOT be our head coach. The Redskins just fired him and there are reasons why Dan Snyder canned him. And I'm sure that these reason, us people as fans do not know what happened behind closed doors.

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:02 pm

Gibbshater4life,

I Don't Hate Gibbs, just thought he again quit pre-maturely. In fact I just watched his broadcast from Joe Gibbs Racing on JoeGibbsOnline who has me on the mailing list, they've also sent me a Bible and a Gibbs spiritual gameplan, I've made plans to buy a Joe Gibbs Silverado soon as I have an extra 30grand. Ive watched every Joe Gibbs interview on Redskins.com TV since his first press conference back, I take to heart everything that man says because I respect his story his legacy and his heart. I do think that family was not the only reason he left the Skins though.

When I posted about Gibbs being a quitter I was mad at him the way your mad at someone you love and maybe its a relationship you were in where the other person decides to break it off and you really don't want to but you have no choice so you get mad at them and call them names. Then a bunch of whiners we're crying "boo hoo you're being critical of Gibbs why should you get to be Gibbs4Life" because deep down they're jealous of my handle, cause its the coolest

Sgraham · Post by **Sgraham** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:39 pm

HardDawg wrote:Am I the only one that thinks we are totally screwed?

Why is the team screwed?

How many people actually thougght that the Skins would be in coach search mode this offseason. You guys really amaze me with how you think this thing should go.

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