Ahh, who else is irritated?

[SkinsJock]

I would in no way say I don't respect him now. And I totally agree with why he left.

most here respect Joe Gibbs and while we understand we have mixed feelings about his departure - most here are not as religious as Gibbs but we all would have our families fairly high on our priorities.

That don't mean it don't hurt people. I know It is upsetting to me. And in some ways I feel the same. He's leaving us high and dry. He was brought to bring us back to glory, which he has not done. He's won a playoff game and has made much improvement.

He is NOT leaving us "high and dry" - we are not in bad shape and I felt that if we could have beaten Seattle we would almost certainly have beaten the pukes (Owens is not playing well) and maybe even the Packers to play in the Super Bowl.
We are in pretty decent shape as a team and need to add some depth and some players to be a contender each year - this is mostly due to Joe Gibbs.

Some here have used Norv and Wade P as examples. But these are examples of ready made SB contending teams, and that is NOT what we are.

No, Im not mad at Joe, and I respect his reasons for leaving. I have two kids myself and one on the way (soon to be three boys, My mother thinks Im trying to make a football team). I would be gone also. But that don't mean that it don't upset people.

I mean we do have to go through this now, that in itself is disheartening, and frustrating, being that we have come so far just to start over.

I can see that side of it, but I don't hold it againt Gibbs for it. It is a very respectable reason to leave.

Actually there are many pluses to his leaving and I think he chose to leave because he thinks it might be best for the team in the long run - he has set the table for us and now hopefully Snyder will continue to help whomever is the next HC to continue the good work.

[gibbsfan]

A little insensitive I think. The man quit the 1st go around b/c of stress, and that was 15-20 years ago? Now he is dealing with his grandson's health AND had ot deal with the tragedy of Sean Taylor (RIP) at 67 years old ON TOP OF being the head coach/team president of the Washington Redskins. I would venture to say that this is more stress than most of us have ever dealt with at any point on our lives. Give the man a break. He has brought us from the pit we were in back to where we can dominate again. Hopefully, he's taught Danny a few things about owning this wonderful organization that can benefit us down the road.

thanks and for me joe gibbs has given me as a fan much happiness
and joy from 1981-1992 and 2004-2007, so what he has done for this franchise.i agree i hope danny has learned some things from joe during his time here ,i hope.
like jake i wish he could coach forever but as we all know we all get older and time changes all especially a grandson who is ill at home so his family comes first.joe has given us a chance now to prosper .
joe has had a ton on his plate so i thank him again for being the ultimate redskin chief aka leader of men like this year dealing with seans tragedy.
so again thanks joe you did great...

[riggofan]

This is a scary thread.

Coach moved on. Try your best to get over it.

[BnGhog]

I would in no way say I don't respect him now. And I totally agree with why he left.

most here respect Joe Gibbs and while we understand we have mixed feelings about his departure - most here are not as religious as Gibbs but we all would have our families fairly high on our priorities.

That don't mean it don't hurt people. I know It is upsetting to me. And in some ways I feel the same. He's leaving us high and dry. He was brought to bring us back to glory, which he has not done. He's won a playoff game and has made much improvement.

He is NOT leaving us "high and dry" - we are not in bad shape and I felt that if we could have beaten Seattle we would almost certainly have beaten the pukes (Owens is not playing well) and maybe even the Packers to play in the Super Bowl.
We are in pretty decent shape as a team and need to add some depth and some players to be a contender each year - this is mostly due to Joe Gibbs.

Some here have used Norv and Wade P as examples. But these are examples of ready made SB contending teams, and that is NOT what we are.

No, Im not mad at Joe, and I respect his reasons for leaving. I have two kids myself and one on the way (soon to be three boys, My mother thinks Im trying to make a football team). I would be gone also. But that don't mean that it don't upset people.

I mean we do have to go through this now, that in itself is disheartening, and frustrating, being that we have come so far just to start over.

I can see that side of it, but I don't hold it againt Gibbs for it. It is a very respectable reason to leave.

Actually there are many pluses to his leaving and I think he chose to leave because he thinks it might be best for the team in the long run - he has set the table for us and now hopefully Snyder will continue to help whomever is the next HC to continue the good work.

Thanks for the insite skinsjock. When frustrated it is hard to see the other good things. And there are many things that are good and could be good for the future of the Skins.

Oh, I totally agree we could have put a hurting on them pukes. I mean, I have never seen so many Cowpies so worried to play us before. They were scared.

[LOSTHOG]

a lot of you guys that are now upset with Gibbs leaving need to go back to this thread...

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=190

It seems a bunch of you wanted him fired. You can't have it both ways. You can't call for his firing and then get mad when he leaves on his terms.

[SkinsHead56]

Hell, I don't even want to think about signing a coach from somewhere else...we'll be back to square one, new system, new coaching staff, another 2 years before we do well again.

I don't think that that's necessarily true. Norv, Tomlin, and Wade Phillips have done as well or better than the coaches that they replaced.

Yes but in both cases these coaches replaced a staff that had the same scemes in place, Norv replaced Cam Cameron both use the west coast O, Th D remained in the 3-4. Same with Dallas, Wade uses the 3-4 like Parcells. If Cowher were to come in both O & D scemes change, back to square one circa 2004.

[langleyparkjoe]

LOL@this thread.. Dude, Gibbs owes us NOTHING. He did us a favor returning to HIS team because I'm sure he was just embarrased at the stuff he saw when he retired the first time. Danny said the right things to him and he came back. After he came back, he straightened up the organization and led us to 2 playoffs out of 4.. 50% seems pretty good to me. Also, I don't ever remember hearing Gibbs say he'll be back after those bastards killed our main man, I could be wrong but I don't 'remember' him saying that. Of course I don't think anyone would even dare ask him though. So lets see what we have, a coach with a sick grandson, coaching/president of the Redskins, one of his star players murdered, still overseeing JGR (even though his family does most of it), and the guy is just .. well.. he's old. Well whatever your opinions are, fine, but he is a great guy and I have absolutely no problem with him leaving now. I mean dag, our team is looking pretty good considering all the injuries and other stuff that hit us. Let's also not forget we lost games by under 10 points at I believe (?) Our team is poised for a good run next year and lets concentrate on that.

[jeremyroyce]

Just when things started to look up and I was 90% sure we'd have a good year again next year, Gibbs goes off and retires. I mean, now with a new coach there will be questions and the Skins might struggle again even if we stay in house with our new HC. Hell, I don't even want to think about signing a coach from somewhere else...we'll be back to square one, new system, new coaching staff, another 2 years before we do well again.

It might be just me, but I'm pretty upset at Gibbs. He said before he would honor his contract, and he retires now? Just seems unfair, we finally seemed set up to have a good future and he has to go and mess it up.

Anyway, I hope things work out, but again I have a shady feeling that a repeat of the 06 season could happen next year..I pray I'm wrong though.

PLEASE CONTROL YOURSELF DAN SNYDER! DON'T MESS UP!

Httr

Dude, Gibbs has family problems that was unexpected when he signed his contract. I don't know why you would be upset at Gibbs. Family comes before job. And who is to say that the Redskins won't be successful in 08? It might actually be a blessing in disguise. You have to believe. Be positive

[Assasin atm]

I understand his decision and i respect it. Joe diffently laid the foundation to get the skins back to prominance. But call me an idiot cuz i dont think joe had it anymore to get us to that next level as an upper teir team. He's a legend and a role model and a great man and was a pretty good coach his second time around but not the kind of coach we need to get to the SB. Its just a different game now and i think if we bring in a few free agents at key positions and hire in house that we can get to that next level with a more modern coach. Im sad he's gone but kinda unexpectantly excited about the future if dan doesnt get carried away.

[skinsfan#33]

Hell, I don't even want to think about signing a coach from somewhere else...we'll be back to square one, new system, new coaching staff, another 2 years before we do well again.

I don't think that that's necessarily true. Norv, Tomlin, and Wade Phillips have done as well or better than the coaches that they replaced.

Yes but in both cases these coaches replaced a staff that had the same scemes in place, Norv replaced Cam Cameron both use the west coast O, Th D remained in the 3-4. Same with Dallas, Wade uses the 3-4 like Parcells. If Cowher were to come in both O & D scemes change, back to square one circa 2004.

Neither Norv, nor Cam run a West Coast Offense, their offense is closer to the Gibbs style than the Walse style. Cower never ran the Steelrs O. But most of the time he was there, they were a power running team that tossed the ball down field when they could and threw in a trick play from time to time to keep the D honest. He likes offenses very simualar to Gibbs'. He would probably keep Saunders. The D would change, but it is easier to find a really good 3-4 OLB that can get after the passer than it is to find a 4-3 pass rushing end. It doesn't matter any how, he isn't coming to the SKins... this year! Wait a year and it might happen. And don't say, "but we will already have a coach!" You think that will stop Snyder?

I have a sinking feeling that we are in for another long, dark period of Redskins' history.

You can forget about beating Dallas anymore. What was this teams record against the Girls (when they were really bad) before Gibbs came back?

[Bob 0119]

Yeah, I'm frustrated and irritated.

Not at Gibbs. I want to be, but I respect his decision.

More so frustrated at the situation we are in.

We are all officially in limbo. Nobody knows anything, even what little we think we know, we don't know. (PLAY-offs?! You kidding me?! Don't talk about play-offs?)

Last year things were easy. We knew what we needed...defense.

This year? Even if we knew what players we need to keep, what players we need to let go, what FA's we need to go after, and whom to draft, it all means nothing because we don't know who the next coach is going to be, and how they are going to use who we have already.

I'll tell you this much...I wish the media would give the whole Bill Cowher thing a rest. Don't want 'im, don't need 'im, and he's already said he's not comin'. I wish they'd just let it go.

I have never seen a more practical use of the expression, but this team is on the dark side of the moon right now, and we are all holding our breath to see what comes out on the other side.

[Gibbs4Life]

I love Gibbs; but I am alittle upset at him for quitting on the team again; I think if he thought we we're going all the way next year he would have stayed.

[SkinsJock]

I love Gibbs; but I am a little upset at him for quitting on the team again; I think if he thought we we're going all the way next year he would have stayed.

Joe Gibbs did NOT quit - he is not a quitter.

I think he got on the plane in NC last Sunday and realized that his family needed him more than the team - I think he started to think about what shape the team was in and realized that it was on the right track to being competitive and I do not think that proving himself by winning another Super Bowl was as big a deal as being with his family - this guy is incredibly religious and he has different priorities than a lot of others and judging him by the same parameters as someone like that cheat in Foxboro is just not as motivating to him.

Gibbs left because he felt this team was on the road back and he felt that he could leave now - he had done most of what he came to do and the end result was not that fulfilling to him.



We owe a huge "thank you" to Joe Gibbs and now we have to hope that Snyder will continue to finish what Gibbs has started. that is the only bad part about all this.

[Champsturf]

Gibbs left to take care of family first. . .you gotta respect that, whatever state it leaves the Redskins in. ("There's more to life. . .")

I don't HAVE to respect anything. In this case, I understand, but do not respect his decision. Gibbs stated on several different occasions that he would honor his contract. Bailing on both the contract and his word are not respect worthy, imho.

Like I said, I TOTALLY understand the decision and hope the best for him and his family. Family does come first...just don't lie to me.

It's wrong to say he lied to you. It's only a lie if he didn't mean it when he said it, and I believe every time he said he intended to honor his contract, he meant it. However, things changed. Unlike so many lying college coaches, at least Gibbs didn't step down to chase more $$ somewhere else.

I can buy that, especially since it was one of two posts that didn't rip me for what I said, but gave me a different perspective. Thank you.

[Champsturf]

Gibbs left to take care of family first. . .you gotta respect that, whatever state it leaves the Redskins in. ("There's more to life. . .")

I don't HAVE to respect anything. In this case, I understand, but do not respect his decision. Gibbs stated on several different occasions that he would honor his contract. Bailing on both the contract and his word are not respect worthy, imho.

Like I said, I TOTALLY understand the decision and hope the best for him and his family. Family does come first...just don't lie to me.

Don't "lie" to you.... That IMO is NOT a lie. A lie is something that you intentionally tell someone to mislead them. Gibbs had every intention of fulfilling his contract but the reality of life is that NOTHING is for certain. The only guarantee we all have is that we are going to die eventually.

Not respecting a man because he is taking care of his family...
Not respecting a man for putting his family to the side for 4 years...
Not respecting a man for doing the best he could...
Those statements can't be finished because this is a PG forum.

Just like you can give your opinion on the subject at hand, we can give our opinions on any/every reply. If anyone is deserving of an absence of RESPECT, its you. I've had my issues with Gibbs, I've disagreed, I've at times felt the game was past him but I've never ever felt a lack of respect for him.

Gibbs 1.0 means squat to me. Gibbs 2.0 means everything. Even without a Lombardi trophy, I was able to what he is about as a MAN. I was able to see who he is and what he can do. He solidified himself as my favorite coach for how he handled adversity in the face of Taylors death. The guy is on his own level.

The stuff in green, I agree with. The crap in yellow, is a bunch of just that, crap. I didn't say any of that, and didn't even imply it. Way to put words in my mouth. Thanks.

[Mursilis]

Gibbs left to take care of family first. . .you gotta respect that, whatever state it leaves the Redskins in. ("There's more to life. . .")

I don't HAVE to respect anything. In this case, I understand, but do not respect his decision. Gibbs stated on several different occasions that he would honor his contract. Bailing on both the contract and his word are not respect worthy, imho.

Like I said, I TOTALLY understand the decision and hope the best for him and his family. Family does come first...just don't lie to me.

It's wrong to say he lied to you. It's only a lie if he didn't mean it when he said it, and I believe every time he said he intended to honor his contract, he meant it. However, things changed. Unlike so many lying college coaches, at least Gibbs didn't step down to chase more $$ somewhere else.

I can buy that, especially since it was one of two posts that didn't rip me for what I said, but gave me a different perspective. Thank you.

No problem - I like to keep it friendly (when my temper is under control ). After all, we're all 'skins fans here. We may bicker, but we have that common bond in the end.

[Mursilis]

For all the people fretting over the terrible season we're going to have next year because the continuity's been ruined (oh, the horror!), tell me how all that continuity worked out in '06, coming off the '05 playoff run.

[Deadskins]

For all the people fretting over the terrible season we're going to have next year because the continuity's been ruined (oh, the horror!), tell me how all that continuity worked out in '06, coming off the '05 playoff run.

You mean the continuity of introducing a new offensive coordinator and a new 700 page playbook?

[Mursilis]

For all the people fretting over the terrible season we're going to have next year because the continuity's been ruined (oh, the horror!), tell me how all that continuity worked out in '06, coming off the '05 playoff run.

You mean the continuity of introducing a new offensive coordinator and a new 700 page playbook?

It wasn't the offense which finished last (or second to last) in the league that year.