Cowher Vs. Williams (Polls are open)

[PMG12569]

I don't see us going outside these two coaches. In my opinion I want Williams. I don't want to set back Campbell more with another offense to learn. I think the teams chemistry is strong right now and a new coach can disrupt that. I think Williams already has the respect and love from all of his players and him being here during the loss of Taylor, who he loved dearly, just solidifies him and his players and what they went through this season. I think Gibbs left us a few steps away from making some great contention and I think putting in a new foundation now isn't the right move....the only thing I will say in the opposition is that if it doesn't work out with Williams, Cowher will more than likely already have a job and I do like Cowher as a coach...I am like 65%-35%(Williams).....Place your vote and opnion

[Monkinthehall]

Williams all the way! I think he learned from his time in Buffalo just like Bellicik did in Cleveland. Question: Does anyone think that if promoted Williams would give the defensive coordinator job to Olivadotti?

[skins2357]

if Cowher wants to come to washington, I would take him in a heartbeat IF

1) HE KEEPS AL SAUNDERS AS OC
2) HE CAN WOO SOME DEFENSIVE COACHES FROM PITT ( I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WASINGTON IN A 3-4 DEFENSE WITH TERRELL SUGGS HERE VIA FA)
3) HE DEMANDS COMPLETE CONTROL AND GETS RID OF VINNY
4)HE KEEPS OUR DRAFT PICKS

Everyone is worried about this signing setting JC back in his progress, but if he keeps Al Saunders as an OC than I would be ecstatic. GW is a good guy but get real, IF we have a shot at a proven winner than we gotta jump on it. Cowher is young enough to be here for a while and he is a winner

[skins2357]

And another thought, what if russ grimm gets passed over again for a HC job. Maybe he realizes that its not going to happen, comes back to washington and works for his old boss (Cowher) What if we get Cowher AND Russ Grimm. Wouldnt that be sweet?

[Skinsfan55]

Bill Cowher is a good coach who would definitely build through the draft and attract good people... still, he left the game just a few years ago leaving behind a great team, lots of money, good people etc. to spend more time with his family. Would he really be able to come back and give the same 100% commitment to the Redskins that is required by an NFL coach? Did he decide he was sick of his wife and kids all of a sudden?

Gregg Williams is a smarter choice IMO, but honestly, if I could choose anyone available, it'd be Russ Grimm and Russ Grimm alone.

[1fan4ramsey]

Williams, besides Cowher already stated he didn't want to coach until atleast 2009. Where did all this Cowher talk come from?

[skins2357]

what if we get cowher and grimm though? monet talks and if danny wants him, he'll be here

[ChocolateMilk]

IMO, the only guy for the job is greg williams. It'll keep the team in the same direction as far as offensive and defensive game plans go. Plus he's the guy all the players want. Just as long as we hire an actual intellegent GM who doesnt have a lazy eye.

[jazzskins]

The only person that we should hire other than Gregg Williams....is a real GM!

[Redskins913]

Gregg Williams

[SkinsJock]

Why would Snyder want Cowher and why would Cowher want to come here? There is no way Snyder will let him control his team and I certainly would not want him to either.

I think Cowher is a great coach but this is certainly not the right situation for him - he could never get these players to play at the same level that Gibbs did - he's an outsider.

[CanesSkins26]

Why would Snyder want Cowher and why would Cowher want to come here? There is no way Snyder will let him control his team and I certainly would not want him to either.

Just guessing here, but I would think that Snyder would want Cowher because in 15 years as the head coach of the Steelers, Cowher made the playoffs 10 times. Cowher reached the AFC Championship game 6 times, went to two Super Bowls, and won one. It's not very often that a Super Bowl winning coach is available. In his career Cowher has a record of 161-99-1, which is damn good. He is also probably the best coach available. His credentials aren't really debatable, but he might not necessarily be the best candidate for this team at this time.

As for why Cowher would want to come here....if Snyder offers him $10 million a year that might be the type of offer than he can't say no to.

[SkinsJock]

Why would Snyder want Cowher and why would Cowher want to come here? There is no way Snyder will let him control his team and I certainly would not want him to either.

Just guessing here, but I would think that Snyder would want Cowher because in 15 years as the head coach of the Steelers, Cowher made the playoffs 10 times. Cowher reached the AFC Championship game 6 times, went to two Super Bowls, and won one. It's not very often that a Super Bowl winning coach is available. In his career Cowher has a record of 161-99-1, which is damn good. He is also probably the best coach available. His credentials aren't really debatable, but he might not necessarily be the best candidate for this team at this time.

As for why Cowher would want to come here....if Snyder offers him $10 million a year that might be the type of offer than he can't say no to.

I know you don't know much about Gibbs and now I also know you do not know much about Snyder and you have certainly not been paying much attention to what is happening around this team as far as these 2 guys are concerned.

Cowher's credentials are debateable - He might be the best coach available but only for a few teams - there are not a lot of GMs that will want this prima donna in their organization.

Do you really think there is a chance that Snyder would offer $10 million to a coach like Cowher - that is so comical

[Redskin in Canada]

I know you don't know much about Gibbs and now I also know you do not know much about Snyder and you have certainly not been paying much attention to what is happening around this team as far as these 2 guys are concerned.

Amen.

[CanesSkins26]

Do you really think there is a chance that Snyder would offer $10 million to a coach like Cowher - that is so comical Laughing

Would I want him to? No. Would I be surprised if he did it? Absolutely not. Not much surprises me when it comes to Snyder.

[aswas71788]

Williams all the way! I think he learned from his time in Buffalo just like Bellicik did in Cleveland. Question: Does anyone think that if promoted Williams would give the defensive coordinator job to Olivadotti?

I am not so sure that he learned as much from his time in Buffalo as he did from Joe Gibbs.

[aswas71788]

Since the choices are between Cowher and Williams, I choose Williams. He has the respect of the players and that is very important. He knows the players and their strengths and weaknesses, also very important. I think he has learned a great deal about working with the players from Joe Gibbs. Put those together and I would be acceptable of Williams. I would rather see Williams or Saunders as the Head Coach right now than starting over from scratch. And mark my words, if Cowher came in, it would be starting from scratch again.

If I could advocate for a selection, I would want Williams as the Head Coach and keep Saunders of the Assistant Head Coach of the offense. I would love to see Saunders offense paired with Williams defense. I think they would be awesome, better than this years Pats.

[HEROHAMO]

Anybody who wants Cowher does not know the history of coaches.

Never has a coach who has already won a SuperBowl with one team won another on a different team.

You people who want Cowher need to think about that.

No head coach in history has ever ever ever won a SuperBowl with two different teams as the head coach.

It has to be Williams for this team to have a chance. Also a good GM is a must. We are so quick to search for a new head coach , when a good GM is just as important. Goodness grief I hope Vinny Cerrato is not promoted to GM again! This is could be bad folks very bad. With the draft coming up Vinny and Snyder might decide to play GM again.

[SkinsFreak]

Why would Snyder want Cowher and why would Cowher want to come here? There is no way Snyder will let him control his team and I certainly would not want him to either.

Just guessing here, but I would think that Snyder would want Cowher because in 15 years as the head coach of the Steelers, Cowher made the playoffs 10 times. Cowher reached the AFC Championship game 6 times, went to two Super Bowls, and won one. It's not very often that a Super Bowl winning coach is available. In his career Cowher has a record of 161-99-1, which is damn good. He is also probably the best coach available. His credentials aren't really debatable, but he might not necessarily be the best candidate for this team at this time.

As for why Cowher would want to come here....if Snyder offers him $10 million a year that might be the type of offer than he can't say no to.

I know you don't know much about Gibbs and now I also know you do not know much about Snyder and you have certainly not been paying much attention to what is happening around this team as far as these 2 guys are concerned.

Cowher's credentials are debateable - He might be the best coach available but only for a few teams - there are not a lot of GMs that will want this prima donna in their organization.

Do you really think there is a chance that Snyder would offer $10 million to a coach like Cowher - that is so comical

Amen, SkinsJock, you hit the nail on the head with that response. CanesSkins26 doesn't seem to know much about Gibbs, Snyder, the current players desires or Cowher himself.

A few snips from an article I found:

'Skins owner should avoid hiring Cowher

If Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and his team are lucky, Bill Cowher will stay retired.

Before you Chin defenders start blabbering, realize this assessment isn't a shot at Cowher. It's a shot at the star system that guys like Snyder, Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank and, even before them, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones created in the coaching ranks. Frankly, it just doesn't work.

In short, what Gibbs did best in Washington was lay a very expensive but solid foundation. The last thing Snyder needs to do is rip up that foundation by bringing in Cowher or whatever other high-end coach he can find. They don't need Cowher to come in screaming and spitting – literally and figuratively – with his 3-4 defense and ball-control offense.

Why not? Because it doesn't work. Football is a sport where long-term success is built on putting in a systematic approach, not by changing the approach every few years.

Right now, Snyder needs to take a patient approach. He has a solid assistant head coach in Gregg Williams. Williams' stint as a head coach in Buffalo was nothing special. Then again, neither was Bill Belichick's run in Cleveland. Not that Williams has Belichick's brilliance, but Williams has Belichick's hunger, particularly the burning hunger that comes from initial rejection and humiliation.

The type of humiliation that drove Don Shula from Baltimore, where he lost the most important Super Bowl ever to the New York Jets, to Miami, where he drove a team to perfection in only his third season

Bottom line, here is a fact that few people understand about the NFL: Through the 80-plus year history of the league, only one man has guided two different franchises to a championship. That was Weeb Ewbank, who did it with Baltimore and the New York Jets.

A few have gotten two different teams to a Super Bowl: Dick Vermeil, Bill Parcells, Dan Reeves and Mike Holmgren. But even Holmgren, who's as good a planner and coach as you'll find, took six seasons of trial and error to get back to the title game with Seattle.

Truth is that chasing coaches with Super Bowl pedigrees guarantees nothing. The longer you do it, the more expensive, and dangerous, it gets.

Link

Much of the rest of this article are criticisms of Snyder and his meddling and always trying to go for the "big splash". Bringing in Cowher at some astronomical price would be doing the same thing. We don't need that, but most importantly, the players and the rest of the organization don't want that either. If you've been listening, you'd know that.

Since Gibbs has returned, I don't see Snyder meddling anymore, or at least to the degree he used to, and as Dan himself said yesterday, he's learned a lot from Gibbs. What he's learned is the importance of stability and continuity, rightly pointed out in the article above and in Dan's own words yesterday. Sure, Dan made some mistakes early on after he bought the team. One would expect that, nobody is perfect. But I have seen a lot of maturation on Dan's part, and I love having him as an owner. Gibbs has been good for Snyder.

Frankly, all this talk about Cowher is a complete waste of time. He won't be the next coach of the Redskins. Bet on it.

[cleg]

Why would Snyder want Cowher and why would Cowher want to come here? There is no way Snyder will let him control his team and I certainly would not want him to either.

Just guessing here, but I would think that Snyder would want Cowher because in 15 years as the head coach of the Steelers, Cowher made the playoffs 10 times. Cowher reached the AFC Championship game 6 times, went to two Super Bowls, and won one. It's not very often that a Super Bowl winning coach is available. In his career Cowher has a record of 161-99-1, which is damn good. He is also probably the best coach available. His credentials aren't really debatable, but he might not necessarily be the best candidate for this team at this time.

As for why Cowher would want to come here....if Snyder offers him $10 million a year that might be the type of offer than he can't say no to.

I know you don't know much about Gibbs and now I also know you do not know much about Snyder and you have certainly not been paying much attention to what is happening around this team as far as these 2 guys are concerned.

Cowher's credentials are debateable - He might be the best coach available but only for a few teams - there are not a lot of GMs that will want this prima donna in their organization.

Do you really think there is a chance that Snyder would offer $10 million to a coach like Cowher - that is so comical

Amen, SkinsJock, you hit the nail on the head with that response. CanesSkins26 doesn't seem to know much about Gibbs, Snyder, the current players desires or Cowher himself.

A few snips from an article I found:

'Skins owner should avoid hiring Cowher

If Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and his team are lucky, Bill Cowher will stay retired.

Before you Chin defenders start blabbering, realize this assessment isn't a shot at Cowher. It's a shot at the star system that guys like Snyder, Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank and, even before them, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones created in the coaching ranks. Frankly, it just doesn't work.

In short, what Gibbs did best in Washington was lay a very expensive but solid foundation. The last thing Snyder needs to do is rip up that foundation by bringing in Cowher or whatever other high-end coach he can find. They don't need Cowher to come in screaming and spitting – literally and figuratively – with his 3-4 defense and ball-control offense.

Why not? Because it doesn't work. Football is a sport where long-term success is built on putting in a systematic approach, not by changing the approach every few years.

Right now, Snyder needs to take a patient approach. He has a solid assistant head coach in Gregg Williams. Williams' stint as a head coach in Buffalo was nothing special. Then again, neither was Bill Belichick's run in Cleveland. Not that Williams has Belichick's brilliance, but Williams has Belichick's hunger, particularly the burning hunger that comes from initial rejection and humiliation.

The type of humiliation that drove Don Shula from Baltimore, where he lost the most important Super Bowl ever to the New York Jets, to Miami, where he drove a team to perfection in only his third season

Bottom line, here is a fact that few people understand about the NFL: Through the 80-plus year history of the league, only one man has guided two different franchises to a championship. That was Weeb Ewbank, who did it with Baltimore and the New York Jets.

A few have gotten two different teams to a Super Bowl: Dick Vermeil, Bill Parcells, Dan Reeves and Mike Holmgren. But even Holmgren, who's as good a planner and coach as you'll find, took six seasons of trial and error to get back to the title game with Seattle.

Truth is that chasing coaches with Super Bowl pedigrees guarantees nothing. The longer you do it, the more expensive, and dangerous, it gets.

Link

Much of the rest of this article are criticisms of Snyder and his meddling and always trying to go for the "big splash". Bringing in Cowher at some astronomical price would be doing the same thing. We don't need that, but most importantly, the players and the rest of the organization don't want that either. If you've been listening, you'd know that.

Since Gibbs has returned, I don't see Snyder meddling anymore, or at least to the degree he used to, and as Dan himself said yesterday, he's learned a lot from Gibbs. What he's learned is the importance of stability and continuity, rightly pointed out in the article above and in Dan's own words yesterday. Sure, Dan made some mistakes early on after he bought the team. One would expect that, nobody is perfect. But I have seen a lot of maturation on Dan's part, and I love having him as an owner. Gibbs has been good for Snyder.

Frankly, all this talk about Cowher is a complete waste of time. He won't be the next coach of the Redskins. Bet on it.

I hope you are right. I've got nothing against The Chin but why mess up a good thing? I hope The Danny has learned, but I don't think he has.

[langleyparkjoe]

I'll take GW here in this situation. He's been here, been through all the crap and frustration of this year and past ones. His defense likes playing for him... the offense has Al and he wouldn't leave. I like Cower but I just can't take another rebuilding period, I CAN'T TAKE IT! GW and Al are package deals to me, keep um both and bring in a GM and a Def coach.

[old-timer]

Sally Jenkins of the Post commented on this issue, and she and I see this issue the same way. First, Snyder needs to butt out of day-to-day operations and fire that sycophant Vinny Cerrato. Then he needs to hire a competent GM and let said GM select the head coach AND take sole responsiblity for all other personnel decisions. Snyder's amateurish management style and management by committee STINKS.

Not gonna happen, I know, but this team is DOOMED TO MEDIOCRITY until it does.

[Countertrey]

Sally Jenkins of the Post commented on this issue, and she and I see this issue the same way. First, Snyder needs to butt out of day-to-day operations and fire that sycophant Vinny Cerrato. Then he needs to hire a competent GM and let said GM select the head coach AND take sole responsiblity for all other personnel decisions. Snyder's amateurish management style and management by committee STINKS.

Not gonna happen, I know, but this team is DOOMED TO MEDIOCRITY until it does.

You agree with Sally Jenkins????? And admit it publicly????

Even a broken clock is right twice a day... that doesn't mean that it's an expert...

[SkinsFreak]

I agree with needing a GM... in the future. Right now, Gibbs and staff have this team heading in the right direction. Bringing in a GM at this time will just be one more chief who thinks his way is the right way. We already have too many chiefs and not enough Indians. It is my opinion that things should remain status quo for one more year. A year down the road, I agree a GM would be beneficial.

[SkinsJock]

I agree with needing a GM... in the future. Right now, Gibbs and staff have this team heading in the right direction. Bringing in a GM at this time will just be one more chief who thinks his way is the right way. We already have too many chiefs and not enough Indians. It is my opinion that things should remain status quo for one more year. A year down the road, I agree a GM would be beneficial.

what he said - the reality is that the way things work at the top is not changing right now - "if it isn't broke .... We all see the need but Snyder and Gibbs do not - that being said, I think that after a short period with the new coach and with Snyder and Gibbs "managing" they might also think that - they do not seem to want to make any changes right now and want to continue what they have going

it looks to me like that teflon douche at the top and his assistants are going to be around for a little longer

BTW - Jenkins and a whole bunch of the media in DC are truly very ignorant and do not know what is happening with our football team - these people have an agenda against Snyder and our team