Redskins / Seahawks Postgame

[RayNAustin]

I find nothing positive in letting these POSERS kick our tails. Better to lose to the Bears and let someone else play in the playoffs.

I've had it with this team. Portis and Collins should be traded, because they deserve better than this putrid O-line who couldn't block my dead grandmother.

[LOSTHOG]

I find nothing positive in letting these POSERS kick our tails. Better to lose to the Bears and let someone else play in the playoffs.

I've had it with this team. Portis and Collins should be traded, because they deserve better than this putrid O-line who couldn't block my dead grandmother.

The line you saw tonight will not be same line next year....

[Haven]

Can't explain how disappointed I am after today's lost...we played so hard to get here, and lost.
Gotta love 'em for taking us to the playoffs this year, atleast!
We'll get 'em next year, guys!

[Redskin in Canada]

I'd say that no one is the goat of the game. The OL was overwhelmed in the first half, and still couldn't open holes for running in the second. So be it.

But, oh, did I jump high when the Redskins recovered the KO!

We had them and we let them off the hook!!!

The fact that we made it a game playing an UNDRAFTED free agent against the TOP SACK LEADER in the NFC meant that their OL had a chance to pick and choose where to blitz on Collins.

Collins played GREAT considering the kind of rush he had on him ALL game long. Sure, the two interceptions were awful but he had gone through A LOT already.

We dropped quite a few passes and had little if any good run plays at all. They won in the trenches.

[SKINFAN]

I'd say that no one is the goat of the game. The OL was overwhelmed in the first half, and still couldn't open holes for running in the second. So be it.

But, oh, did I jump high when the Redskins recovered the KO!

We had them and we let them off the hook!!!

LMAO nice one

[Haven]

They gotta change that rule on the kickoff return which SHOULD HAVE been a touchdown. Dead ball? I don't think so...

[(d)oink]

I find nothing positive in letting these POSERS kick our tails. Better to lose to the Bears and let someone else play in the playoffs.

I've had it with this team. Portis and Collins should be traded, because they deserve better than this putrid O-line who couldn't block my dead grandmother.

[Redskin in Canada]

Let us SHOW SOME LOVE to our Redskins. I bow to them and their HUGE HEART.

[tribeofjudah]

Let us SHOW SOME LOVE to our Redskins. I bow to them and their HUGE HEART.

RIC, glad you fixed that.....it read HUGE HEAT..... but you found the R

HAIL

[1fan4ramsey]

IMO Santana Moss is absolutely the goat of this game.

Mostly the O-line, as I've never seen a worse performance, ever, in 40 plus years.

That's a little bit of an overstatement, don't you think?

No. Not even close. Collins had someone in his face before he could even finish his drop back.

And 2 yards per cary on the ground means they couldn't run block either.

Worst o-line performance I've ever seen. Period. They were totally and completely manhandled right from the first play.

Had Campbell been in there, we would have been shut out.

I was in attendence at the "body-bag" game in Philly that cold Monday night, now there was some bad o-line play.

[RedskinsFreak]

They gotta change that rule on the kickoff return which SHOULD HAVE been a touchdown. Dead ball? I don't think so...

I thought for sure there have been times when a team pulled off one of those 'pop-up' onside kicks where one guy caught it on the dead run and just kept on going.

But the only time the kicking team can advance the ball is when the receiving team establishes possession and then fumbles.

[CanesSkins26]

To me the major reasons for us losing this game was the play in the trenches and the play of the special teams. Special teams killed us today. Frost constantly gave the Seahawks great field position and our blocking on both kickoffs and punts was pitiful. Not to mentions Suisham's missed kick, which totally gave back the momentum to Seattle. On post game Bram said that several players told him that that was the turning point in the game.

As for the play of our oline and dline, the Seahawks were simply more physical today than we were. It was pathetic how difficult it was for us to pick up a yard in short yardage situations. Starting this offseason, I really think that we need to start using the draft to get younger on the oline and more talented on the dline.

[Haven]

To be fair to Frost, I thought Burleson had a pretty good game returning kicks, and I think Cris said he was number one in punt returning yards during the regular season.

Edit: However, I can't really back up Shawn's missed kick...that's the problem with our special teams, we don't have any reliable kickers. You never know when Shawn is gonna make a kick, and Frost aint the best punter in the league. That might be something we need to improve during the offseason, in my opinion. It's not that I don't like 'em, but...

[LOSTHOG]

There were a lot of things that didn't go right for us today. I don't want to pin it on one guy. The missed kick really hurt us with the momentum, but I don't know if I would go as far as to say it was what cost us the game. It definitely contributed to the loss, but clearly not the only thing.

[Haven]

Oh, I definitely wouldn't say that play cost us the game either...it didn't help us, but surely it wasn't the only thing that went wrong.

[HEROHAMO]

I am proud of the way the team pulled it together this season. I for one did not think they would make the playoffs at the halfway point.

So for me, this team fought valiantly and honored ST and all of Redskins faithful.

Thanks for a good year. On to the waroom and looking at draft picks and free agents.

[RayNAustin]

IMO Santana Moss is absolutely the goat of this game.

Mostly the O-line, as I've never seen a worse performance, ever, in 40 plus years.

That's a little bit of an overstatement, don't you think?

No. Not even close. Collins had someone in his face before he could even finish his drop back.

And 2 yards per cary on the ground means they couldn't run block either.

Worst o-line performance I've ever seen. Period. They were totally and completely manhandled right from the first play.

Had Campbell been in there, we would have been shut out.

I was in attendence at the "body-bag" game in Philly that cold Monday night, now there was some bad o-line play.

Yes I remember the body-bag game. My condolences to anyone in attendance. That one was about as ugly as it gets, and hard enough just to watch on TV. But that was an across the board beating with guys being carted off the field.

Yesterday, I think the problem was way more isolated to one area being totally humiliated.

I mean that o-line couldn't provide time for a bloody hand off, let alone pass defense. Hell, Portis had someone draped around him in the backfield half of the times he carried.

Now, after the emotions have settled, and sober reflection, I think the defense played incredibly well under the circumstances, and Landry really did step up. And ya gotta love how Smoot has played. And Fletcher....what can you say about Fletcher other than I hope he retires a Redskin.

And I admire how Collins stood in there under such constant fire with zero running game, and being sacked, knocked down or harassed on almost every play.

Overall, this one was lost by the o-line, totally. That we came back and took the lead was a tribute to this never quit team, and almost became another miracle until it slipped away in the final minutes.

[crazyhorse1]

I don't know whether we played terribly on the OL or were just terribly overmatched. I think the latter.

With that in mind, I would like to see us to replace Daniels with a top pick in the draft and then spend the next three picks on the OL.

Also, I don't think its far wrong to say that Collins is one of the best QB's
in the game today. The fatal interception occured because he's a timing QB who throws to spots before the receiver breaks for the ball.

What happened to him, to us, is what naturally happens when a receiver breaks off his route as a timing QB throws. To say the interception was Collins' fault is to ignore the inherent gamble in what he does.

If a quarterback is going to throw to a spot before the receiver breaks, the receiver knows he's supposed to be there on time to prevent the possible interception. Moss made a mistake. Period. It looks worse each time I watch the replay.

Let's move on from that-- lesson learned.

The point is that Collins is a far better QB right now than Campbell is. If we fortify the OL and can escape injury and catastrophy, we'll drive teams nuts with completions and win our division easily with Collins next year and will have a great shot in the playoffs.

With Campbell starting, we'll be giving up a prromising present for an unknowable future. I say we should draft with the notion that Collins is the starter firmly in mind-- in other words, draft for the OL and don't worry about picking up a receiver.

[dlc]

Putting everything in perspective...

Beginning of the season, I believed that we would go 9-7 or 8-8 and maybe make the playoffs because the NFC was a little weak. The season ending he way it did tells indicates a completely different perspective than what I mostly have read.

Gibbs is a poor motivator. I think it's quite obvious that ST's death motivated the team. It almost seems to me that Gibbs was unable to motivate the team and earn their trust before the tragedy. God forbid anything tragic like this happens next year, and if so, do you really think that Gibbs is going to get this team fired up again? And even by some miracle they do, are they going to have the same "just happy to be here" attitude in the playoffs against the Seattle for a third time after a mediocre 9-7 or 8-8 record?

We spotted them 10 points yesteday. The did outplay us, not because they are that much better, but because we came out flat. We played like crap AND the Seahawks are a pretty good team.

Danny Smith should be canned. We almost always lose the field position battle. Short kickoffs, bad coverage and/or bad punts. What does he do well? Maybe it's our kickers, but I'm sure he has a lot to do with it.

Gibbs can coach during the week, no doubt. He just can't coach on Sundays anymore. Unless we plan to have a tragedy every year, he won't maintain the trust and the motivation of the team. Can he change? Yes. He just needs to get over his fears and apprehension he has acquired in his old age.

Lastly, Moss should be the goat. As a number one WR, man-to-man coverage deep is always to the WRs advantage. If he wants his QB and his coordinator to trust him, he has to make a play (break up the pass, or make a tackle). Make mistakes is fine. Giving up on plays is another story. He misjudged the ball or lost it? What kind of CB judges the ball and tracks it better than a number one receiver. Comments of cutting him are extreme. But let's make sure he never forgets that he screwed up, otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if he does it again. BTW, did he screw up tons the first half of the season, even losing the Packers game. He better work his butt off this offseason because he was a great player this year.

[reggiebrooks4life]

Putting everything in perspective...

Beginning of the season, I believed that we would go 9-7 or 8-8 and maybe make the playoffs because the NFC was a little weak. The season ending he way it did tells indicates a completely different perspective than what I mostly have read.

Gibbs is a poor motivator. I think it's quite obvious that ST's death motivated the team. It almost seems to me that Gibbs was unable to motivate the team and earn their trust before the tragedy. God forbid anything tragic like this happens next year, and if so, do you really think that Gibbs is going to get this team fired up again? And even by some miracle they do, are they going to have the same "just happy to be here" attitude in the playoffs against the Seattle for a third time after a mediocre 9-7 or 8-8 record?

We spotted them 10 points yesteday. The did outplay us, not because they are that much better, but because we came out flat. We played like crap AND the Seahawks are a pretty good team.

Danny Smith should be canned. We almost always lose the field position battle. Short kickoffs, bad coverage and/or bad punts. What does he do well? Maybe it's our kickers, but I'm sure he has a lot to do with it.

Gibbs can coach during the week, no doubt. He just can't coach on Sundays anymore. Unless we plan to have a tragedy every year, he won't maintain the trust and the motivation of the team. Can he change? Yes. He just needs to get over his fears and apprehension he has acquired in his old age.

Lastly, Moss should be the goat. As a number one WR, man-to-man coverage deep is always to the WRs advantage. If he wants his QB and his coordinator to trust him, he has to make a play (break up the pass, or make a tackle). Make mistakes is fine. Giving up on plays is another story. He misjudged the ball or lost it? What kind of CB judges the ball and tracks it better than a number one receiver. Comments of cutting him are extreme. But let's make sure he never forgets that he screwed up, otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if he does it again. BTW, did he screw up tons the first half of the season, even losing the Packers game. He better work his butt off this offseason because he was a great player this year.

i think danny smith is actually a good special teams coach. what we need is a punter who can swing the field position battle in our favor. frost is constantly shanking punts or outkicking his coverage (which seems hard to do for him but his punts go 40 yrds with half a second hang time). we need a punter who can boom a 55 or 60 yd punt and get some air underneath it. field position was killing us yesterday in the first half. their punter had two nice punts that pinned us deep and we couldn't get out. i would even consider drafting a punter early if he was good enough

[reggiebrooks4life]

and FYI the better team won yesterday. we got mauled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. we definitely need to get some O line depth via draft or free agency.

[chiefhog44]

I gave it a day and the two things I said I would sleep on, I still believe to be true.

Mike Sellers really hurt us in Seattle, and I'm tired of Moss being on the team.

4th and 1...Sellers up the middle...he's got to make that play. He also had two penalties that really hurt us. Also dropped a first down ball.

And Moss...I'm sick of. I'm tired of his celebration after every first down. I'm tired of his lack of effort, I'm tired of his dropped balls ALL season, and I'm tired of his excuss as to why he's not in camp early with ey and JC working on routes. And did I mention his stats? 800 yards in a season with three TD's??? I'm not even sure how that stacks up to others, but I would guess not great. Can we get a number one in here please? Our passing attack has been the laughing stock of the league for a long time.

[PulpExposure]

I don't know whether we played terribly on the OL or were just terribly overmatched. I think the latter.

I agree with that. I think Seattle just had too many good d-linemen for our line to compensate for. Our injuries on the line finally caught up to us.

Kerney was blowing through triple teams, after all.

I like Heyer a lot, but Heyer and Fabini is not a good side of an offensive line (right now). In time, Heyer should be great...but he played like a rookie yesterday.

We need to draft a good young guard (esp considering both Thomas and Kendall are over 30) or two, and a young tackle to develop.

I'm with the Phillips replacement, and if there's no good DE to draft, then go get o-line. Game is won and lost in the trenches, after all.

[reggiebrooks4life]

I gave it a day and the two things I said I would sleep on, I still believe to be true.

Mike Sellers really hurt us in Seattle, and I'm tired of Moss being on the team.

4th and 1...Sellers up the middle...he's got to make that play. He also had two penalties that really hurt us. Also dropped a first down ball.

And Moss...I'm sick of. I'm tired of his celebration after every first down. I'm tired of his lack of effort, I'm tired of his dropped balls ALL season, and I'm tired of his excuss as to why he's not in camp early with ey and JC working on routes. And did I mention his stats? 800 yards in a season with three TD's??? I'm not even sure how that stacks up to others, but I would guess not great. Can we get a number one in here please? Our passing attack has been the laughing stock of the league for a long time.

i still think moss is a very capable receiver. problem is that when you don't have a good number 2 receiver, the number one is going to constantly draw double teams. having a number 2 receiver would really help us. looks like it isn't going to be lloyd so we'll need to address it. we might even have it in anthony mix.

as far as sellars, the guy is a beast and it would be a huge mistake to even think about letting him go. hes great on special teams and is a real leader on this team who has the respect of his teammates.

[jeremyroyce]

IMO Santana Moss is absolutely the goat of this game.

He gave up on a play that led to a Marcus Trufant interception and touchdown. Sure, Collins shouldn't have thrown that ball, but he made a mistake that would have only resulted in an incompletion with a full effort by Moss.

Santana Moss got lazy and gave 7 points (and all the game's momentum) to the Seahawks.

Moss is the one who should be ashamed.

I think it still my have been picked

I don't think the pick is the issue. It is what happened after the pick. Based on that one play, Moss should be released IMHO. Players are taught at the middle school level to never give up on a play and unfortunately in this league and with the Skins it happens alot.

okay that's a little harsh to say cut him. he made a mistake and deserves to be yelled at and fussed at, but I don't think he should be cut, down the stretch, he was our best WR

No its not harsh to say cut him. This isn't the first time Moss has done things that cost us. I'm tired of him and PORTIS turning the ball over and dropping passes.