What do we do about our starting QB???

[RayNAustin]

How silly this whole debate is. You CAN'T pull Collins in favor of JC. The guy is playing TERRIFIC ball.....better game management by a mile, averaging 26 points a game, and a QB rating of 107 versus JC's very paltry 77.

As a starter, JC has a horrible win/loss percentage, and in back to back weeks threw game losing pics that were not great defensive plays...just horrible QB decisions the likes of which would have had most of you JC fans calling for a public lynching had it been Brunell throwing them.

As much potential as JC has, it remains unrecognized potential that hasn't shown up on the field and on the scoreboard and in the win column, which is the only thing that really matters.

I have said this many times throughout the year.......JC is slow with his reads, holds on to the ball way too long, has not been very accurate throwing downfield, and is poor in the red zone. The TB game was a classic example. 412 net yards, 0-3 red zone, 2 ints, and 13 points. 13 points with 412 net yards????

And what of all the excuses.....Oh JC hasn't been able to practice with Moss because Moss has been injured etc. etc. Lame. Collins hadn't even had a single rep with any of the starters and came off the bench and played extremely well.....and has continued to play extremely well.

The situation is OBVIOUS.

[Irn-Bru]

I don't think Jason Campbell needs to be trashed whatsoever in order to make the point that Collins is playing well.

[LOSTHOG]

It has been pointed out many times by the announcers, TC was to take over as Jim Kelly's replacement, but after Kelly retired, the new coach that came in didn't want TC, so they released him.

Yes and that coach was the very same little fat Jerry Jones hand puppet that we will play next week. Rip him apart TC.

[brad7686]

The Vikings are allowing 266 passing yards per game, Collins got 254, so he was actually below average. Campbell threw for 348 yards against Dallas who is allowing about 212 yards a game. I think Collins is playing pretty good, but until he faces a decent pass defense I am not inclined to think he is better than JC. He hasn't faced anything yet. If he didn't fumble the ball, then i guess a point could be made for him, but he did fumble yesterday.

[skinsRin]

It's gotta be Collins and if campbell comes back ready to play, he should be #2 for the remainder of this season. You have to stick to the hot hand.

[welch]

The Vikings are allowing 266 passing yards per game, Collins got 254, so he was actually below average. Campbell threw for 348 yards against Dallas who is allowing about 212 yards a game. I think Collins is playing pretty good, but until he faces a decent pass defense I am not inclined to think he is better than JC. He hasn't faced anything yet. If he didn't fumble the ball, then i guess a point could be made for him, but he did fumble yesterday.
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Aren't statistics fun?

Does it matter that the all-all-pro Vikings "always" stop the run? Does it matter that no team, except "fantasy football" plays for stats? Does it matter that the Redskins ran the ball, especially when it mattered?

Who scored the last Redskin TD? How???

[CanesSkins26]

The Vikings are allowing 266 passing yards per game, Collins got 254, so he was actually below average. Campbell threw for 348 yards against Dallas who is allowing about 212 yards a game. I think Collins is playing pretty good, but until he faces a decent pass defense I am not inclined to think he is better than JC. He hasn't faced anything yet. If he didn't fumble the ball, then i guess a point could be made for him, but he did fumble yesterday.
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Aren't statistics fun?

Does it matter that the all-all-pro Vikings "always" stop the run? Does it matter that no team, except "fantasy football" plays for stats? Does it matter that the Redskins ran the ball, especially when it mattered?

Who scored the last Redskin TD? How???

Even if you ignore the statistics, you can't ignore the fact that the Bears, Giants, and Vikings have awful secondaries. Collins has done a fantastic job no doubt about, but JC was moving the ball against the Bears before he got hurt and JC did better statistically than Collins against the Giants in the two match ups against them this season. So it is going to take more than a great game against the worst pass defense in the NFL (missing their best cb as well) to convince me that Collins is the qb that should start in the playoffs if JC is healthy to play.

[welch]

and JC did better statistically than Collins against the Giants

(1) Slow down, brother Skins fan. I was at the second Giants game, and, for comparison, Eli The Great completely exactly one pass in Q1. The wind was worse than I have ever felt.

I saw Eli throw a fastball to the corner that...bent away.

Except for part of Q3, it was the worst passing conditions I can remember.

Stats dont matter ín Giants 2.

(2) Why hasn't every opposing defense shut Peterson and killed the Vikings with passes.

(3) Come to think of it, the Redskins played Smoot (hurt all year...sick 10 days ago), Springs (hurt and out a few games), Torrence (a congressional aide until about six weeks ago), Landry, Doughty (backup until...), and the spirit of Sean Taylor. That's one uninjured starter.

[John Manfreda]

The Vikings are allowing 266 passing yards per game, Collins got 254, so he was actually below average. Campbell threw for 348 yards against Dallas who is allowing about 212 yards a game. I think Collins is playing pretty good, but until he faces a decent pass defense I am not inclined to think he is better than JC. He hasn't faced anything yet. If he didn't fumble the ball, then i guess a point could be made for him, but he did fumble yesterday.

Okay fine we will do this. Campell and Collins have one common opponent The Giants. Campell got to play them at Home and Collins got to play them on the road. What happened when Campell played we lost, when Collins played we won. That says enough who is better. By the way Collins didn't have Sean Taylor. Collins beat Washington on the road when Campell couldn't even beat them at home. Campell blew a lead while Collins decisively beat them. There u go Collins is better right now. Collins closed them out while Campell let them come back.

[Irn-Bru]

I can't believe that anyone would compare statistics from the two Giants games without in the same breath mentioning relevant differences (like, say, 35 MPH WIND GUSTS. Something little like that). Fantasy football is ruining NFL culture.

Something else that has been overlooked is Collins' performance as a game manager. Campbell can get on fire at times, but he also threw INTs to end something like four consecutive potential game-winning drives in the 4th quarter. He's almost there (his stats indicate his talent and you can see his intelligence and strength, etc. on the field), but he's still young.

Collins won't be going on any 300-yard tears for us, so watch out if we need a heroic performance on his arm.

. . .but he's not going to make some of those mistakes that we are seeing from Campbell, either.

[PulpExposure]

First, huge Campbell fan here. I think he has all the upside in the world, and the intelligence & work ethic to get there.

However, if we go to the playoffs with Collins, then Collins starts. Campbell serves as the #2 and goes into next year as the starting QB.

I can't believe that anyone would compare statistics from the two Giants games without in the same breath mentioning relevant differences (like, say, 35 MPH WIND GUSTS. Something little like that). Fantasy football is ruining NFL culture.

Something else that has been overlooked is Collins' performance as a game manager. Campbell can get on fire at times, but he also threw INTs to end something like four consecutive potential game-winning drives in the 4th quarter. He's almost there (his stats indicate his talent and you can see his intelligence and strength, etc. on the field), but he's still young.

Collins won't be going on any 300-yard tears for us, so watch out if we need a heroic performance on his arm.

. . .but he's not going to make some of those mistakes that we are seeing from Campbell, either.

Well, to be fair, we're getting a better running game than when Campbell had to do those 4th quarter drives. I kinda felt during those games that Campbell HAD to win the games for us, whereas right now Collins doesn't have that pressure.

Also, Collins has benefited from some nice short-fields from turnovers, and I can't recall Campbell getting a ball on the opposing team's 8 yard line in a long time.

[welch]

OK...I think that, this year, Coillins knows how to run an offense better than Campbell. This offense, especially. That opens both run and pass (see the play-actions).

But, wow, Campbell has not played a full season.

Let the kid learn. When his knee is healthy. Meanwhile, it is Collins all the way.

[JCaptMorgan12]

Well, CP looked pretty good on that HB Option, I mean, he did throw a nice spiral... AND since were comparing straight statistics here, CP is a career 3 for 5, for 47 yards and 3 TD's, with a passer rating of 130.8, I say we start him at QB based on statistics...

[Snout]

It should be an easy decision. Collins should start for three reasons:

(1) He led the team to three straight wins when our backs were against the wall. He has earned a shot.

(2) He has involved more receivers and thrown to more targets, opening things up. The offense as a unit is playing better than it ever did when Campbell was in there.

(3) Even if Jason is healthy enough to play, he will not be 100%, and that automatically raises questions about how effective he would be.

Campbell is our starter, but should not come back to start until he is fully healthy -- which means next season. Let Todd start the rest of the games we play, and see how far he can take us this year.

[LOSTHOG]

(2) He has involved more receivers and thrown to more targets, opening things up.

I agree. Nine different guys caught a pass against the Vikes.

[SKINS#1]

For the rest of this year I think Collins is the best choice. Next year let there be Competition and the best man wins. Good luck to both.

[Gibbs4Life]

Trade Jason Campbell to Baltimore for Ed Reed?

[1niksder]

Trade Jason Campbell to Baltimore for Ed Reed?

Ed will be a free agent this off-season, they could get him and keep Jason

[funsho2]

its funny how winning does to yall mentality.....if we make the playoffs u have to go with campbell.....yes we lost close games with campbell ...but he is our future....future starts now......Brady was rookie when we won the superbowl....

Yall so dumb to say collins should start in the playoffs....collins is an ok qb...if he is that good our come he just starting for the 1st time in 10 years.

[welch]

Collins starts; Campbell heals. Not fancy mathematics on that one.

[crazyhorse1]

First, huge Campbell fan here. I think he has all the upside in the world, and the intelligence & work ethic to get there.

However, if we go to the playoffs with Collins, then Collins starts. Campbell serves as the #2 and goes into next year as the starting QB.

I can't believe that anyone would compare statistics from the two Giants games without in the same breath mentioning relevant differences (like, say, 35 MPH WIND GUSTS. Something little like that). Fantasy football is ruining NFL culture.

Something else that has been overlooked is Collins' performance as a game manager. Campbell can get on fire at times, but he also threw INTs to end something like four consecutive potential game-winning drives in the 4th quarter. He's almost there (his stats indicate his talent and you can see his intelligence and strength, etc. on the field), but he's still young.

Collins won't be going on any 300-yard tears for us, so watch out if we need a heroic performance on his arm.

. . .but he's not going to make some of those mistakes that we are seeing from Campbell, either.

Well, to be fair, we're getting a better running game than when Campbell had to do those 4th quarter drives. I kinda felt during those games that Campbell HAD to win the games for us, whereas right now Collins doesn't have that pressure.

Also, Collins has benefited from some nice short-fields from turnovers, and I can't recall Campbell getting a ball on the opposing team's 8 yard line in a long time.

Collins has known for three games now that a loss would eliminate us from the playoffs and probably end his career. You call that no pressure. He's had a career waiting for the chance he's got now. That's big time pressure and if it hadn't been for that incredible wind in the Gints game, his QB rating would probably be close to 170.

Some guys don't lost their heads in crunch time. Collins is one of those guys.

[Montana Redskin]

How silly this whole debate is. You CAN'T pull Collins in favor of JC. The guy is playing TERRIFIC ball.....better game management by a mile, averaging 26 points a game, and a QB rating of 107 versus JC's very paltry 77.

As a starter, JC has a horrible win/loss percentage, and in back to back weeks threw game losing pics that were not great defensive plays...just horrible QB decisions the likes of which would have had most of you JC fans calling for a public lynching had it been Brunell throwing them.

As much potential as JC has, it remains unrecognized potential that hasn't shown up on the field and on the scoreboard and in the win column, which is the only thing that really matters.

I have said this many times throughout the year.......JC is slow with his reads, holds on to the ball way too long, has not been very accurate throwing downfield, and is poor in the red zone. The TB game was a classic example. 412 net yards, 0-3 red zone, 2 ints, and 13 points. 13 points with 412 net yards????

And what of all the excuses.....Oh JC hasn't been able to practice with Moss because Moss has been injured etc. etc. Lame. Collins hadn't even had a single rep with any of the starters and came off the bench and played extremely well.....and has continued to play extremely well.

The situation is OBVIOUS.

Well, this story above sums it up to a TEE, Kudos to the writer. It is ludicrous (sp) to even think, remotely think of starting Campbell IF we make the playoffs. The ONLY reason we are where we are is one thing, Todd Collins. We probably would have squeaked out Chicago, but I'd bet the farm, we'd have lost 1 if not both the last 2 with Campbell on the road.
The difference? Simple, Collins manages the game and tempo of offense 2-fold over Campbell.
In Todd we Trust from here on out. Campbells job next year, he's the future (at least based on how he does next year). We're in for a QB debate if things go nasty early next year.

I could tell after the first/second/3rd series against Chicago? I was staring at the TV going "WTF, this guy is managing the game? He's making the clutch, clutch throws. The presence in the pocket?" It was defintitely obvious to me. Has he even came close in 3 games to throwing a garbage pick?

[Steve Spurrier III]

its funny how winning does to yall mentality.....

Yeah, that is weird how when the team wins people think maybe they ought to keep doing what they're doing. What a bunch of suckers.

if we make the playoffs u have to go with campbell.....yes we lost close games with campbell ...but he is our future....future starts now......

Actually, the present is now. There's a time to build for the future, but that time is not the NFL Playoffs.

Brady was rookie when we won the superbowl....

First of all, Brady wasn't a rookie. And neither is Campbell. Yet some thought the proven quantity (Bledsoe) should have taken over when he was healthy again in that postseason. If there is any lesson to be learned from the 2001 Patriots, it is too stick with what got you there.

Yall so dumb to say collins should start in the playoffs....collins is an ok qb...if he is that good our come he just starting for the 1st time in 10 years.

That's really weak. Collins had the misfortune of playing behind a very durable Pro Bowl quarterback in Trent Green - he himself never would have gotten a shot had Gus Frerotte not gotten hurt. Guys come from out of nowhere all the time, so let's not pretend that NFL scouts and talent evaluators are infallible.

The question is not who is the better prospect, the better athlete or even the better quarterback. It's who gives the 2007 Redskins, with their 2007 personnel, 2007 coaches and 2007 playbook, the best chance to win their next five games. And the answer is undoubtedly Todd Collins.

[VetSkinsFan]

I agree Spurrier. It's silly to even entertain the thought of putting so much stock in JC, and then starting Collins next year. He's what, 36 this year? He's got MAYBE two more years left in him if he were starting. That's not something that you build your franchise around. That's not planning for the future. The future is what we've been QQing about all this time with no GM, and yet ppl still think we should consider starting a 36-37 year old QB next year.

[Assasin atm]

Play the man that got you to this point in Collins and its jasons team next year. Jason is the future and Collins is this year. If they do start jason then they oughta have a short leash on him.