Better chance now in wild card hope

por-tiz2skins · Post by **por-tiz2skins** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:40 pm

where second behind vikings(Who our in the wild card)and there behind the G*ay)man .So we got to win next sunday to go 7-7 and Viks have to lose to the bears.If they win that they'll be 8-6 including todays easy win against the 9ers.So by than will be 7-7 they'll be 8-6 so all we need to do is win and beat the vikes but we need bears to beat them cause sad to say we could lose to the Cowboys and end up 8=8 while vikes play broncos and they will barly clintch it.

So basically we just need to win 2-3 games(A win against vikes)and will be in.

Cards
Eagles
Lions
are out .

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:49 pm

We still play the Vikings, so if we win out, we are in.

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:17 pm

but what he is saying is if we beat Minny and they lose to the bears, then we can lose to either the Gmen or Dallas and still get in because we would have the same record as Minny but we would have the tie breaker.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:27 pm

I hope that we can win all of our games then we won't have to worry about it.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:37 pm

skins2357 wrote:but what he is saying is if we beat Minny and they lose to the bears, then we can lose to either the Gmen or Dallas and still get in because we would have the same record as Minny but we would have the tie breaker.

We would also need Arizona, Detroit, and New Orleans to lose another game for that to happen.

wormer · Post by **wormer** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:02 pm

With the exception of the Vikings game, everything broke as needed this week so far. Still have to wait for the Saints game.

Right now it not overly complex how the Skins make the playoffs.

1. Skins need to win out.
2. Saints have to lose at least 1 game.

Thats it.

We win tie break over AZ, DET & MINN due to head to head. The Saints would have the tie break over us assuming both teams win out. You have to go to the 4th tie break (conference wins) and the Saints will have 1 more than we do.

If the Skins lose 1 game (as long as it is not the Viking game) while it's possible to make the playoffs, it makes it MUCH more difficult as DET, AZ would have to lose ANOTHER game. Minn would have to lose to us AND 1 other. NO would have to lose 2 of 4.

Having to rely on that many teams to lose is not what you would want. It's like a golfer who might only be a couple shots back but has 10 guys in front of him. Not only do you have to shoot well, you have to hope for ALL the guys in front of you to falter.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:21 pm

We actually own the tie-breaker over the Saints. Playoff tie-breakers go in this order:
1. Head-to-Head
2. Division Record
3. Common Games
4. Conference Record
5. Strength of Victory
6. Strength of Schedule
7. Combined Ranking Among Conference Teams (points scored and points allowed)
8. Combined Ranking Among All Teams (points scored and points allowed)
9. Net Points (common games)
10. Net Points (all games)
11. Net Touchdowns (all games)

The only teams we have faced in common are Tampa Bay and the E-gals.
Tampa beat NO twice, and us once. The E-gals beat NO and split with us. So we own the common games tie-breaker over the Saints by virtue of our 1-2 record against those teams as opposed to their 0-3 record against the same teams. The Saints also still play Arizona and Chicago, but since we beat those two teams, they can't improve their record against common teams by winning either of those games. This means the Redskins already control their own destiny after this week's games. If we win out, we are in.

LOSTHOG · Post by **LOSTHOG** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:25 pm

I would rather just keep it simple and win out.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:26 pm

Those are the tie-breaking procedures for two teams within the same division.

From NFL.com:

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.

2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

4. Strength of victory.

5. Strength of schedule.

6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best net points in conference games.

9. Best net points in all games.

10. Best net touchdowns in all games.

11. Coin toss.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:41 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:Those are the tie-breaking procedures for two teams within the same division.

From NFL.com:

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.

2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head, if applicable.

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

4. Strength of victory.

5. Strength of schedule.

6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best net points in conference games.

9. Best net points in all games.

10. Best net touchdowns in all games.

11. Coin toss.

THE RAM · Post by **THE RAM** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:01 pm

The saints haven't played the eagles, what happens if the Redskins and NO win the rest of the games?, both will be 9-7 with 3-3 divisional record

wormer · Post by **wormer** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:28 pm

JSPB22 wrote:We actually own the tie-breaker over the Saints. Playoff tie-breakers go in this order:
1. Head-to-Head
2. Division Record
3. Common Games
4. Conference Record
5. Strength of Victory
6. Strength of Schedule
7. Combined Ranking Among Conference Teams (points scored and points allowed)
8. Combined Ranking Among All Teams (points scored and points allowed)
9. Net Points (common games)
10. Net Points (all games)
11. Net Touchdowns (all games)

The only teams we have faced in common are Tampa Bay and the E-gals.
Tampa beat NO twice, and us once. The E-gals beat NO and split with us. So we own the common games tie-breaker over the Saints by virtue of our 1-2 record against those teams as opposed to their 0-3 record against the same teams. The Saints also still play Arizona and Chicago, but since we beat those two teams, they can't improve their record against common teams by winning either of those games. This means the Redskins already control their own destiny after this week's games. If we win out, we are in.

Where you are off is the Saints have not played the Eagles yet. Common appts are AZ, Philly, TB & Chicago. Assuming we both win out, we would both be 3-2 thus tied. (If either don't win out then many more factors come into play. )

We are 3-2 vs. these teams.
3 wins: Philly, AZ & Chi.
2 losses: Philly and TB.

Saints 3-2
3 wins: Chi, Philly, AZ
2 losses: TB

Conf wins would be the tie breaker. We are 4-5 Saints are 4-4. So if they win out, they beat us on this.

wormer · Post by **wormer** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:29 pm

THE RAM wrote:The saints haven't played the eagles, what happens if the Redskins and NO win the rest of the games?, both will be 9-7 with 3-3 divisional record

We lose on conf record. Saints would be 8-4 we would be 7-5.

Once again, to have a reasonable shot at making the playoffs:

1. Skins need to win out.
2. Saints must lose 1 game.

While the skins theoretically could get in with 1 more loss it is VERY unlikely.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:51 pm

wormer wrote:
THE RAM wrote:The saints haven't played the eagles, what happens if the Redskins and NO win the rest of the games?, both will be 9-7 with 3-3 divisional record

We lose on conf record. Saints would be 8-4 we would be 7-5.

Once again, to have a reasonable shot at making the playoffs:

1. Skins need to win out.
2. Saints must lose 1 game.

While the skins theoretically could get in with 1 more loss it is VERY unlikely.

We already established that on the first page of this thread.

redskinsrock · Post by **redskinsrock** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:22 am

The G men will fall 24-17...the few extra days will help our team and they will play hard.

The sissies from the north will fall because they are ...sissies 17-14,

The evil empire is the game that worries me...

To hope against hope is what a fan dose...I would like to believe they can run the table.I will watch every game here in sunny Florida (82 degrees and beautiful) and cheer the team on, waiting for them to rip my heart out.

num1skinsfan · Post by **num1skinsfan** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:57 am

Tall order "a win in Giants Stadium", where we havn't fared very well, A win in Minnesota, "hottest team in the wildcard race", and the good news
"a win at home" against the Cowboys (they will have clinched and awaiting a bye week, resting some starters). But..... it's a Dallas week, a rivalry game, they won't let down on us, maybe a half.... Jerry Jones loves to stick it to Dan... Now with that all said, "we control our own destiny", which is all you can ask for the way our season has gone..... "One At A Time"...

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:15 am

wormer is right, we do need the saints to lose 1 and we win out.

so, if anyone here is thinking 8-8 gets us in, here is what you need.

1. redskins win 2, including the vikings.
2. the vikings lose 1 of their other 2 remaining games... (home against chicago, at denver to end the year)
3. saints lose any two games
4. cards lose 1 game
5. lions lose 1 game

however, this is not as hard as it seems. because detroit plays at san diego and at dallas. they will not run the table. so, #5 is out. also, we have to root VERY hard for the falcons tonight, because if atlanta wins, then the saints and cards each now only have to lose 1 game, and they play each other next week... so somebody will lose.

so, IF the saints lose tonight, and given the likelihood of detoit losing 1 game... here would be the actual playoff scenarios going into next week for us to finish 8-8 and get in.

1. redskins beat vikings, and win 1 of our other two games.
2. vikings lose to either chicago or at denver
3. the winner of the no/zona game muse lose 1 of their last two games.

OR

1. the redskins win two, but lose to vikings.
2. the vikings lose to chicago AND at denver
3. the winner of the no/zona game muse lose 1 of their last two games.

of couse this would all be with a saints loss tonight.

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:23 am

RedskinjXd wrote:wormer is right, we do need the saints to lose 1 and we win out.

so, if anyone here is thinking 8-8 gets us in, here is what you need.

1. redskins win 2, including the vikings.
2. the vikings lose 1 of their other 2 remaining games... (home against chicago, at denver to end the year)
3. saints lose any two games
4. cards lose 1 game
5. lions lose 1 game

however, this is not as hard as it seems. because detroit plays at san diego and at dallas. they will not run the table. so, #5 is out. also, we have to root VERY hard for the falcons tonight, because if atlanta wins, then the saints and cards each now only have to lose 1 game, and they play each other next week... so somebody will lose.

so, IF the saints lose tonight, and given the likelihood of detoit losing 1 game... here would be the actual playoff scenarios going into next week for us to finish 8-8 and get in.

1. redskins beat vikings, and win 1 of our other two games.
2. vikings lose to either chicago or at denver
3. the winner of the no/zona game muse lose 1 of their last two games.

OR

1. the redskins win two, but lose to vikings.
2. the vikings lose to chicago AND at denver
3. the winner of the no/zona game muse lose 1 of their last two games.

of couse this would all be with a saints loss tonight.

just for laughs... if the following happens.

1. saints lose tonight
2. vikings lose to bears next week
3. lions lose at san diego next week
4. redskins beat giants next week

then we would actually be able to clinch a playoff spot with a week to go, win a win vs. minny AND a loss by the winner of the no/zona game. the dallas game would be meaningless.

(d)oink · Post by **(d)oink** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:42 am

what if...........................nevermind, just win. #-o

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:51 am

i have to correct myself.... even if we win out, and the saints lose, we may need a GIANTS win as well. here's why, if we win out, we are 9-7. if the vikings win their other two games, other than us, to finish 9-7, and the giants lose their last two... at buffalo, home vs. the pats... they would be 9-7. giants would better us due to conference record and go head to head with the vikings... vikings would get the #1 wild card due to head to head win against the giants, and then the giants would get #2.

so, it is not as simple as win out, saints lose 1. i just wanted to let you know

funbuncher · Post by **funbuncher** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:58 am

RedskinjXd wrote:giants would better us due to conference record and go head to head with the vikings...

if the Giants lose out, then they would have the same 7-5 conference record as us (if we won out also). They'd be 3-3 in the division (same as us), and we'd be 1-1 head-to-head.

So us, the Giants and Vikings would all be 9-7 with us having beaten the Vikings and them having beaten the Giants. Skins and Giants would have better conference record than 6-6 Vikes though, so that would eliminate them, and have the Skins and Giants in. SOOO, we are not dependant on the Giants also winning at least one game. I think/hope.

does that sound right to you?

Gnome · Post by **Gnome** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:59 am

If the Skins finish 9-7 and the Vikings finish 9-7 regardless of who they beat, the Skins are in because they beat the Vikings. That's my understanding.

It's funny how every year turns out like this with a glimmer of playoff hope hanging on a myriad of 'what-ifs'.

Our sched is brutal the next 3 weeks. I'd be impressed with 3 straight wins from this team under any circumstances. Seems like a tall order. But you never know until they play the games.

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:05 pm

funbuncher wrote:
RedskinjXd wrote:giants would better us due to conference record and go head to head with the vikings...

if the Giants lose out, then they would have the same 7-5 conference record as us (if we won out also). They'd be 3-3 in the division (same as us), and we'd be 1-1 head-to-head.

So us, the Giants and Vikings would all be 9-7 with us having beaten the Vikings and them having beaten the Giants. Skins and Giants would have better conference record than 6-6 Vikes though, so that would eliminate them, and have the Skins and Giants in. SOOO, we are not dependant on the Giants also winning at least one game. I think/hope.

does that sound right to you?

actually i stand corrected, but you are right for the wrong reason. the way a tiebreaker works for the wild card, for 3 or more teams is this.... if 2 are tied in the same division... say, redskins and giants.... apply division tiebreaker to eliminate one of the teams...

redskins would win this because...

1. head to head... tie
2. division... tie
3. common games... redskins win 5-3 (wins: bears, vikings, jets, dolphins, lions... losses: bills, pats, packers)... to 4-4 for the giants (wins: bears, jets, dolphins, lions... losses: bills, pats, packers, vikings)

if this was a three way tie for the FIRST wild card... redskins eliminate giants, reskins over vikings.

once that seed is established all teams are back in the mix for the SECOND wild card....

vikings over giants... due to head to head.

so, i was wrong with my earlier post... if we win out, and giants lose out... the only team in trouble would be the giants.

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:36 pm

So here's a strange question, if we do somehow back into the playoffs with the last wildcard spot, whom would we play first?

I know it isn't decided yet, but who is it looking like?

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:38 pm

Bob 0119 wrote:So here's a strange question, if we do somehow back into the playoffs with the last wildcard spot, whom would we play first?

I know it isn't decided yet, but who is it looking like?

it would definitely be either at tampa or at seattle. right now, it would most likely be at seattle and then at dallas if we won.