we are awesome.

[tribeofjudah]

We have the best cheerleaders.......... showing lots of SKIN, if you know what I mean...?

[Redskin in Canada]

For some people, Joe Gibbs is a sacred cow, for others of us he is not. But none of that speaks to whether we are fans.

I am not "some people" my poster name is Redskin in Canada. Call me by -MY- name. Kind of looking at you in the face f I have something to say to somebody.

You see, this is where even the most tempered members of the LYNCH MOB get it wrong:

a) I would not want to have -anybody- else on earth leading us through the most diffcult moments in the history of the franchise as we do now. I love the guy as a human being and I love the man as a head coach.

b) A sacred cow? No, Not sacred and not cow.

c) Would anybody going through awful times need support? I suggest YES. Your idea of "support" is to LYNCH (or kinder gentler words to that effect here) the head coach. Thank you very much. I see the logic. TIMING if not LOYALTY is at the heart of the matter.

I have stated before that Joe Gibbs made a commitment for FIVE YEARS and the LEAST of commitment that he should expect from me and perhaps ALL of us is that period. After that, you guys can play fantasy league for all I care.

Whatever the fundamental flaws of the Redskins may be, they will certainly not be cured changing a head coach now. To the contrary, Dan Snyder can and would get worse going back to his bad old days before Joe came here.

The sad part about long crises is that it brings the worst in some people. The great part is that it also brings the best.

[Redskin in Canada]

As I was reviewing the previous post, it occurred to me that the political literature has a perfect book to describe the argument made by the Cup. It is written originally in French and it is translated as something like "a dialogue in inferno between Machiavelli and Montesquieu".

Le me use the model to illustrate the flaw in the cup's argument with an equally fictitious argument between Dan Snyder and Joe Gibbs:

Dan:

Joe it was great having you here. Sales were good. Your name restored credibility to this failing franchise at times when I was about to have a revolt in my hands. You served your purpose. I am very grateful for that.

Joe:

Dan, I appreciate your words but it is not about the money. it is about character. It is about playing Redskins football and being cheered on by the greatest fans in the NFL. What do you mean?

Dan:

Actually Joe, I think you are a great man. But let's face it Joe, the NFL has passed you bye. You cannot win in the new salary cap era. You do not relate to the players. Your game management skills leave a lot to be desired. I really feel that we should move on.

Joe:

If anybody should take the responsibility for the failure of the Washington Redskins over the last three and a half seasons, it should be me. I accept that any blame for the lack of performance is mine and I have made quite a number of mistake.

Dan:

Well then, what do you think if we make a strategic move? Since I cannot trust you as a coach, and I can argue that some of your personnel moves are questionable but I still need your name attached to the franchise in some way to pull people to the Stadium, I make you Assistant General Adjunct Manager to work with us?

Joe:

Thanks Dan. I appreciate the offer. You know I really want to spend more time with my family and friends. My ASCAR Team truly needs me. Thanks but no thanks.

Dan:

Geeezz Joe, I was hoping you could stay. What if I double your salary? everybody has a price. Come on Joe.

Joe:

Thanks Dan. I appreciate it. You and many THN fans already gave me all the support I needed through the hard times. I will always be grateful for that. Good bye.

[Fios]

For some people, Joe Gibbs is a sacred cow, for others of us he is not. But none of that speaks to whether we are fans.

I am not "some people" my poster name is Redskin in Canada. Call me by -MY- name. Kind of looking at you in the face f I have something to say to somebody.

You aren't the only Gibbs devotee on the site, thus some people. Don't ever suggest again that I am a coward. Don't even hint at it.

[Redskin in Canada]

You aren't the only Gibbs devotee on the site, thus some people. Don't ever suggest again that I am a coward. Don't even hint at it.

Glad to know. You see, EasyMoney quoted me, personally, and you quoted him. Thus the terrible confusion.

I am still here with serious respect for your intellect and honesty, but I am still here by the way.

Did I mention that I am still here? Just asking

[Skinsfan55]

Calling the people who wish for a change at head coach, or even the people who doubt Gibbs' abilities as a football man part of a lynch mob is not only in extremely poor taste, it's disingenuous.

Intelligent people can disagree on things and we can all sit back and rationally come to different conclusions.

You call me part of a lynch mob for coming to one conclusion but I don't call you, Redskin in Canada, a Joe Gibbs fanboy whose enthusiasm boarders on zealotry. Nor do I imply that your Joe Gibbs colored glasses cause you to miss the obvious conclusion that Joe Gibbs is no longer the coach he once was.

Just saying.

[Hoss]

damn, i thought this was the 'awesome' thread. tonight we will unleash the fire.

[Redskin in Canada]

Intelligent people can disagree on things and we can all sit back and rationally come to different conclusions.

At this time, intelligent people may decide to reach whatever conclusion.

Loyal fans who are also intelligent people would not start stabbing the back of their headcoach when the team needs the greatest support from them.

Just saying.

[Deadskins]

I agree with CT. Moo on, Joe. Moo on.

[Deadskins]

it's just the way i see it. thats all it is, an opinion, but there are a few here that see it the same way, and i am enjoying those that are contributing to a conversation in it.

hailskins666: you say you want conversation, in the other thread. Well, I say a conversation isn't very good if all you get is your exact same opinions repeated back to you.

[BnGhog]

You aren't the only Gibbs devotee on the site, thus some people. Don't ever suggest again that I am a coward. Don't even hint at it.

Glad to know. You see, EasyMoney quoted me, personally, and you quoted him. Thus the terrible confusion.

I am still here with serious respect for your intellect and honesty, but I am still here by the way.

Did I mention that I am still here? Just asking

I thought it was a rule, to not address the poster.

Just saying.

[Redskin in Canada]

I thought it was a rule, to not address the poster.

Just saying.

To my knowledge, anybody can address anybody else. Nobody can attack anybody. The saying goes "attack the post, not the poster".

Hey, I have a lot of respect for the guy in the first place. I just think that he is wrong on several parts of his calculations, whic is rather surprising because he usually makes good sense.

[BossHog]

I thought it was a rule, to not address the poster. Just saying.

It's also a rule to leave moderating to the moderators.

Seriously, do people have no concept of the fact that 95% of the board's moderating is done by private message? How would anyone know what has or hasn't been done?

Please... leave the moderating to those that are asked to do it. They do a great job of doing WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO... so please don't convolute threads with attempts to do what you think the board would want done, and leave it to those that know what the board wants done.

Cheers.

Not to mention that there ISN'T a personal attack of any type in what was posted by either party. They both know the rules, and maybe even some flowery ways of walking fine lines... but that's a hair that we split... and when we don't...

... we'll likely send you a PRIVATE MESSAGE stating as much.

Copasetic?

[NC43Hog]

Whoever started this thread is a genius. WE ARE AWESOME.

[HEROHAMO]

If losing and underachieving means awsome? Then we are the greatest!

[NC43Hog]

If losing and underachieving means awsome? Then we are the greatest!

I think you must be looking for this thread.

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25602

[HEROHAMO]

My ignorance to our record means I am a better fan! (sarcasm)

Oops I mean whoo we are awsome!

[tribeofjudah]

Whoever started this thread is a genius. WE ARE AWESOME.

Now that we have Collins under center, maybe we can BE Awesome....

JC needs more growth and development, IMO....

[Skinsfan55]

Whoever started this thread is a genius. WE ARE AWESOME.

Now that we have Collins under center, maybe we can BE Awesome....

JC needs more growth and development, IMO....

As everyone knows, crutches foster growth and development.

[welch]

NC43 said

Whoever started this thread is a genius. WE ARE AWESOME.

Yes.

(And, having seen that famous avatar once more, yes, Larry Brown belongs in the Hall of Fame!)

And if not as good as the '91 team, then improving, showing heart and soul, working past an unusual number of injuries, learning the Saunders offense.

[SkinsJock]

...And if not as good as the '91 team, then improving, showing heart and soul, working past an unusual number of injuries, learning the Saunders offense.

Amen brother - I am hoping for the same - we are getting better





We are awsome - we are the Washington Redskins

[Redskin in Canada]

...And if not as good as the '91 team, then improving, showing heart and soul, working past an unusual number of injuries, learning the Saunders offense.

Amen brother - I am hoping for the same - we are getting better





We are awsome - we are the Washington Redskins

It must be patently obvious who makes sense and who doesn't in this thread. I am with the good guys.

[welch]

Yes. Just, awesome. Just had to revive this thread!

[SkinsJock]

post your positive crap here, and stay the hell out of my 'we suck' thread. i really meant what i wrote. we have problems and would like to discuss it with others. it's not a kneejerk decision of the way we played buffalo. it's just the way i see it. thats all it is, an opinion, but there are a few here that see it the same way, and i am enjoying those that are contributing to a conversation in it.


if you want to say we don't suck, or we are good, awesome, that shznizzle, then post it here.

it's a thread for the glass half full types. enjoy.

We are awesome! thanks hailskins for starting this thread - I haven't been to your 'we suck' thread, how's that going for all you glass half empty types?

and thanks to welch for 'resurrecting' this thread




We are awesome - we are Joe Gibbs' Washington Redskins

[por-tiz2skins]

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