We have already covered the fact that Joe Gibbs did not know a fundamental football rule. Publicly, his players said they were to blame for not making more plays; privately, many veterans fumed and looked at it as another egregious error by Gibbs in a season full of them.
"Come on man, this is the NFL," one veteran said. "What coach don't know the rules?"
Gibbs [has] now blown 5 halftime leads this season in losses and 15 since 2004, most in the NFL.
These are the types of errors that cost a coach the trust of his team. If Joe is not trusted by the players there is no way he can lead them.
Steve Spurrier III wrote:many veterans fumed and looked at it as another egregious error by Gibbs in a season full of them.
"Come on man, this is the NFL," one veteran said. "What coach don't know the rules?"
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I figured as much. The veterans, Phillip Daniels especially comes to mind from the post-game, said all the right things after the game. That kind of composure can only come from years of experience... but you know those guys are furious inside. And with good reason.
"Guess [Ryan Kerrigan] really does have a good motor. And is relentless. And never quits on a play. And just keeps coming. And probably eats Wheaties and drinks Apple Pie smoothies and shaves with Valvoline." -Dan Steinberg DC Sports Bog
KazooSkinsFan wrote:If aliens from the future came back and told me the outcome of games, I would make sure I won but I'd be sure to lose a lot too so no one knew.
If Queen Elizabeth II could fly I wouldn't think she was the most useless Monarch in British history.
If pancakes were radio active I wouldn't eat them for breakfast. I mean I don't now, but man, if they were radioactive I DEFINITELY wouldn't.
Well that was idiotic.
Surely it's stupid to try to objectively judge Joe Gibbs' second stint as a Redskins coach.
Thanks! I love irony.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
There's this little saying I like to use and it fits here....
LIVE IN THE NOW!!!!!
What JG did in his first tenure really means nothing. The game has changed significantly. What happened there ISN'T HAPPENING HERE. I really love what the man did for us in his first stint, and that got him into the HoF. But that was what, 15-25 yrs ago depending on what part if 1.0 you're talking about? I was still in high school in his glory days. How should he get a free pass to blow a season with no repercussions?
He fully takes responsibility... wow, BFD. Yeah, well if a criminal 'fully takes responsibility' then should they be forgiven of all crimes? When I had an accident and it was my fault a few months ago, I 'fully took responsibility," but I still was held liable for damages and STILL have the points on my license. The last time I had an accident of any kind, my fault or not, was 1995. I had a good track record before, like JG 1.0, so why didn't I get a free pass??!?
Maybe JG doesn't need to go. JG DOES need to be removed, or step down, from the head coaching position of the Washington Redskins IMMEDIATELY. As long as we have HC=JG, then we are destined for mediocrity at best. Slam me all you want, but I'm looking at stats, not reacting with feelings.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
VetSkinsFan wrote:He fully takes responsibility... wow, BFD. Yeah, well if a criminal 'fully takes responsibility' then should they be forgiven of all crimes?
Um...yeah, that's a good analogy.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Speakin of Gibbs 2.0.. before he got here we were in shambles. We had a new coach almost every year or two and our players were confused at best. Lavar said it, how do you expect me to play a certain way when we change coaches so much... Gibbs came in and gave us new hope for the future. He did what he was supposed to do.
Yesterday he did a bonehead thing with that timeout, the problem is he shouldn't have had to ask the ref because he's supposed to know the rules but even if he didn't, where was his assistant coaches for backup? They get paid alot of money as well so why weren't they standing next to him?
As for losing the game yesterday, it wasn't Gibbs who lost the game at all. Sure the conservative play calling was an issue but the Bills played one hell of a game and were more focused. Our guys weren't as focused but still played a great game.
Alot of us have been saying we don't care about the rest of the season because of ST's death but we just want our guys to play hard. Now I'm reading people saying they want Gibbs fired and all that nonsense. People, our season was over when they murdered ST. Everyone knew it, everyone saw it themselves, and Doughty just couldn't step in so easily and perform a miracle. Yes I'm the guy who says believe, and yes I'm the guy who still believes we can win from here on out. The biggest point I'd like to make is, I went to the game for the love of it, I couldn't care really wether we won or lost, but I just wanted to be there to honor Sean and watch my guys. I had a great time and yes I was dissapointed by Gibb's Homer moment but in the end.. soooo what?
Stop bashing the coach, its over, lets move on towards Chicago and remember, today is ST's funeral so keep praying for his family.
langleyparkjoe wrote:Speakin of Gibbs 2.0.. before he got here we were in shambles. We had a new coach almost every year or two and our players were confused at best. Lavar said it, how do you expect me to play a certain way when we change coaches so much... Gibbs came in and gave us new hope for the future. He did what he was supposed to do.
Yesterday he did a bonehead thing with that timeout, the problem is he shouldn't have had to ask the ref because he's supposed to know the rules but even if he didn't, where was his assistant coaches for backup? They get paid alot of money as well so why weren't they standing next to him?
As for losing the game yesterday, it wasn't Gibbs who lost the game at all. Sure the conservative play calling was an issue but the Bills played one hell of a game and were more focused. Our guys weren't as focused but still played a great game.
Alot of us have been saying we don't care about the rest of the season because of ST's death but we just want our guys to play hard. Now I'm reading people saying they want Gibbs fired and all that nonsense. People, our season was over when they murdered ST. Everyone knew it, everyone saw it themselves, and Doughty just couldn't step in so easily and perform a miracle. Yes I'm the guy who says believe, and yes I'm the guy who still believes we can win from here on out. The biggest point I'd like to make is, I went to the game for the love of it, I couldn't care really wether we won or lost, but I just wanted to be there to honor Sean and watch my guys. I had a great time and yes I was dissapointed by Gibb's Homer moment but in the end.. soooo what?
Stop bashing the coach, its over, lets move on towards Chicago and remember, today is ST's funeral so keep praying for his family.
The difference between winning and losing was JC. This is NOT dissing the guy. He has now just crossed 1 year starting experience and is REALLY progressing as he's been moving the ball up and down the field. Getting TDs instead of FGs in the red zone is the next step. It's HARD and most NFL QBs never get good at it. But the way he's progressing he's going to get there and soon. Turn some of the FGs to TDs and none of the end mattered.
But Gibbs doesn't get credit for that (from many so called "fans") who just say, not good enough, fire him, without any solutions other then another round on the coaching carousel. Those of us who recognize the guy's a winner and has brought us a long way and that four years isn't a long time are "living in the past." I don't think the problem is our living in it, the problem is they don't remember it. We support Gibbs because he's our best chance, by far.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
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Gibbs has had four years, and this team is playing with the same level of inconsistency that they did under Turner and Spurrier./quote]
Three different coaches, same results.... that says to me a good part of the problem has been with our players, not just the coaching.
The last three games we lost by not making plays/turning the ball over and giving up some big plays. Against Dallas and TB, a combined four potential game winning possessions during the last five minutes of each game all end with interceptions. We turn the ball over six times against TB a 7-4 team and we still had a chance to win at the end. We beat Dallas in every aspect of the game except for the big plays to Terrel Owens and of course the final score.
Yes, that was a mistake at the end of yesterday's game from Gibbs that shouldn't happen from a head coach. What stood out more to me is we're in the red zone three times in first half and come away with 9 points. If on one of those drives a tackle is broken, a block made, or a good throw made/caught, the talk about conservative play calling is a moot point. Plays are not being made which makes the play calling look ineffective.
Want someone who doesn't have a conservative play book? Let's call Spurrier back, that worked well.
Sorry for the rant. I'm a big Redskins and Gibbs fan. Over the last four years Gibbs has definitely made some errors regarding time management and the rules that I wouldn't have anticipated. That being said, I still believe he can get the job done. While it burns like hell to watch us lose, I'm at the point where it's as, if not more, important to have respect for the coaches and players that play for Washington than to just want a team to win.
And even though I may come across as speaking negatively of our players, that's not the case. I'm all for keeping who we have as I believe we've found our answer for a long term QB and have a great supporting cast on both sides of the ball. As someone else said a few posts back, what this team has needed for the longest time is some consitancy.
Nonsense. The difference between winning and losing was the sorry excuse of an offensive line that we have on this team. CP was getting hit in the backfield on just about every running play and JC spent most of the game running for his life. No team is going to be successful on offense when their offensive line turns in the type of embarrassing performance that ours did on Sunday.
