post game discussion. Skins vs pukes.

[welch]

The division is competitive in terms of us, the Giants, and Eagles being close in terms of record, but that is far different than the teams actually being good. Dallas, no doubt, is a very good team. The Giants, even though they have a good record, are not a complete team and are very average. The Skins and the Eagles are equally mediocre. The Giants have only beaten one team with a winning record and that was Detroit. The Eagles, likewise, have only beaten one team with a winning record, and that was also Detroit. And just like NY and Philly, the Detroit game so far has been our only win against a winning team.

Just win next week. Then we can talk.

I see:

- a patched up OL playing better each week. I like Heyer, partly for sentimental reasons.

- I'd play McCardell the whole game, and alternate ARE and Moss

- The DL is what it is...usually good against the run, and usually unable to get to he passer without blitzing help. Should they have cut Joe S? The coaches know more than I do. At the lest, they went younger

- The DB is hurt bad, and I don't think they have the depth

- Still missing someone like Art Monk. Draft priority, I think

- Campbell is getting better and better.

[roybus14]

The division is competitive in terms of us, the Giants, and Eagles being close in terms of record, but that is far different than the teams actually being good. Dallas, no doubt, is a very good team. The Giants, even though they have a good record, are not a complete team and are very average. The Skins and the Eagles are equally mediocre. The Giants have only beaten one team with a winning record and that was Detroit. The Eagles, likewise, have only beaten one team with a winning record, and that was also Detroit. And just like NY and Philly, the Detroit game so far has been our only win against a winning team.

Just win next week. Then we can talk.

I see:

- a patched up OL playing better each week. I like Heyer, partly for sentimental reasons.

- I'd play McCardell the whole game, and alternate ARE and Moss

- The DL is what it is...usually good against the run, and usually unable to get to he passer without blitzing help. Should they have cut Joe S? The coaches know more than I do. At the lest, they went younger

- The DB is hurt bad, and I don't think they have the depth

- Still missing someone like Art Monk. Draft priority, I think

- Campbell is getting better and better.

You make some very good points. I think that the "old-man" has proven himself to be that "possession" WR that we desparately needed this year. I agree we need to draft a "Monk-like" WR in the upcoming draft but for now, I'd play McCardell for the rest of the season. Doing that, IMO, does a few things:

1. Spells Moss which may help him get a little healthier going down the stretch.

2. Spells ARE too and helps him get healthier or stay healthier going down the stretch.

3. Gives you that veteran presence, that combined with the growth of JC, the consistentancy of ey, and hopefully a more "opened" passing game, will bode well going down the stretch also...

4. Gives you a potential "possession" threat that defenses have to add to keying on ey which in turn will open them up for deeper throws down the field. JC, ARE, and Moss just have to work on the timing and the touch...

In terms of the OL, I'd ride Heyer out to the end of the season. He's young and I think Buges and the OL assistants can make him into a very good player. He's young and he's proven that he can pass block against the speed rush. Speaking of OL, I think Samuels did pretty decent against Ware despite giving up the two sacks. He didn't get any help with Ware and I think he did pretty good. A couple of things could have made a difference though. Like getting him help and maybe JC taking that one step up in the pocket which would have pushed Ware out of those plays....

It's also apparent that our DL and Taylor's injury are hurting us. We got some pressure on Romo but without Taylor, he was able to yoke a couple out to T.O. that would have been picked off or T.O. would have gotten blown up on.... It seems like Carter has regressed a little bit and because he doesn't have that "signature" move or moves, he can easily be blocked thus not getting any pressure. I also think that GW needs to stop focusing so much on "spots" and let some of that talent go a little bit.....

[floridaskinsfan]

Greg Williams, Gibbs,...... you both NEED to make half time adjustments

We were up 10-7 at halftime if I am not mistaken. The D needed to make better second half in-game adjustments. Offensive play-calling was much better yesterday.

[hailskins666]

clock managment was much better today. we actually had timeouts to work with when it mattered. but i still don't like either call to go for a feild goal on 4 and 1. its not like suisham is automatic. especially from 50 yds. and feild goals don't win the game for you when playing an offensive team.

True you definitely have to score more touchdowns cause thats what the winning teams do, however going for it and making it..is not guaranteed that you will go 35+ yards down the field and score a touchdown. I mean I can see if it was 4th and goal from the one yard line...but there was plenty of yards to go till you hit that endzone. We might have got it and then messed around and went for a field goal anyway.

i just don't trust suisham, i guess. the ball was on the 33. you lose it at the spot of the kick which was the 40. even if we got stuffed at the line, that would leave a field for dallass that was 7 yds longer. and a TD isn't an automatic if we make it, but it does get suisham closer which would ONLY help things. 3 points wouldn't have won it for us, given the outcome, but going for it would have helped, imo. we had momentum at that point.

Suisham's hit 50 yarders before, besides the offense was on point today, moving the ball down the field for the most part. You would like to think you could get another opportunity...guess what? We did! We didn't execute.

susiham has hit 50 before, offenses occasionally make it on fourth and 1 too. my point on the first 4 & 1, we had a chance to go up by 2 TDs. it puts the other team in a sticky sitation. we were moving the ball. if anything, it would get the kicker closer. i didn't like the idea before the kick, and i still don't like it. hindsight i guess.

[Deadskins]

3 bad snaps = Dallas maintain ball.

All three bad snaps took incredibly fortuitous bounces for the Cowpies. the first right into Julius Jone's hands, better than a handoff, and the others right back into Romo's hands. Still the second was intercepted by Fletcher, so they didn't maintain possession.

[Deadskins]

clock managment was much better today. we actually had timeouts to work with when it mattered. but i still don't like either call to go for a feild goal on 4 and 1. its not like suisham is automatic. especially from 50 yds. and feild goals don't win the game for you when playing an offensive team.

True you definitely have to score more touchdowns cause thats what the winning teams do, however going for it and making it..is not guaranteed that you will go 35+ yards down the field and score a touchdown. I mean I can see if it was 4th and goal from the one yard line...but there was plenty of yards to go till you hit that endzone. We might have got it and then messed around and went for a field goal anyway.

i just don't trust suisham, i guess. the ball was on the 33. you lose it at the spot of the kick which was the 40. even if we got stuffed at the line, that would leave a field for dallass that was 7 yds longer. and a TD isn't an automatic if we make it, but it does get suisham closer which would ONLY help things. 3 points wouldn't have won it for us, given the outcome, but going for it would have helped, imo. we had momentum at that point.

Suisham's hit 50 yarders before, besides the offense was on point today, moving the ball down the field for the most part. You would like to think you could get another opportunity...guess what? We did! We didn't execute.

susiham has hit 50 before, offenses occasionally make it on fourth and 1 too. my point on the first 4 & 1, we had a chance to go up by 2 TDs. it puts the other team in a sticky sitation. we were moving the ball. if anything, it would get the kicker closer. i didn't like the idea before the kick, and i still don't like it. hindsight i guess.

I totally agree, HS. We could have put the Cowpies in a hole early, It also would have taken more time off the clock to have gone for it. The score at the half might have been 14-0 or 14-3. Even had we not scored a TD, we probably go into the half up by at least a TD. Also making just a FG there means we only needed a FG at the end not a TD, and we were certainly in range for that before the INT.

[MEZZSKIN]

kudos to our all world coaching staff for waiting 10 games to pass on 3rd on 1.......high school teams have more diversification ....
well i guess thats because were such a great running short yardage team

[langleyparkjoe]

I'm not gonna say what we did wrong, I think everyone's covered that already. One comment I do have is about that 4th & 1 field goal. If he made it, no one would have any problems, if he punted it, no problems, if he went for it and didn't get it, no problem. Anything in that scenario was ok because Gibbs had faith in that defense. That same defense did pretty decent against an explosive offensive considering we didn't have Taylor. Please don't get on Samuels either, he was one on one with Ware the whole game and Ware got by him what, 3 or 4 times? Ware is one the best right now and I think Samuels did a pretty decent job, don't forget, it was like a total of 50-60x's they went up against each other? They shut down our run game, so why are people saying we shoulda pounded the ball more? Our passing game was great, just what we wanted to see. Dumb mistakes and that int is what lost us the game. I for one am totally impressed with the way we played, we went out there and punched those bammaz in the nose and we got punched back. I didn't expect us to win going into the game because of our previous games but yesterday they showed me that the remaining 6 games are definitely winable (is dat a word?) Good job Redskins in a close game that we could have won but for the first time in this season, they played with heart and knew what it meant to play vs. the cowpunks. I'm not proud to lose, but I'm proud when Our players give it there 100% best and I think they did that yesterday. We'll get back momentum going down Florida this week and continue to march into that wild card!!!

[skinsfan#33]

kudos to our all world coaching staff for waiting 10 games to pass on 3rd on 1.......high school teams have more diversification ....
well i guess thats because were such a great running short yardage team

And they didn't get it.

I'm more worried about the fact that MOST of the time this D gets a team in 3rd and very long they give up a big play. Pathetic.

[MEZZSKIN]

On defense 3rd and long has become an enigma for this team ..
but whats makes more frustrating its not the 3rd and 10's its 3rd and TWENTY!!!...and guys are wide open

[grampi]

On defense 3rd and long has become an enigma for this team ..
but whats makes more frustrating its not the 3rd and 10's its 3rd and TWENTY!!!...and guys are wide open

I've been saying it all year, our D needs to tighten up it's coverage. This playing with a 10-20 yard cushion all the time is costing us games!

[welch]

I think the defense problem is that they don't have the players to crack down on the opponents unless they take chances. Eventually, the offense will figure it out, and guess right.

[Mursilis]

clock managment was much better today. we actually had timeouts to work with when it mattered. but i still don't like either call to go for a feild goal on 4 and 1. its not like suisham is automatic. especially from 50 yds. and feild goals don't win the game for you when playing an offensive team.

True you definitely have to score more touchdowns cause thats what the winning teams do, however going for it and making it..is not guaranteed that you will go 35+ yards down the field and score a touchdown. I mean I can see if it was 4th and goal from the one yard line...but there was plenty of yards to go till you hit that endzone. We might have got it and then messed around and went for a field goal anyway.

i just don't trust suisham, i guess.

I'd guess there's very few kickers anyone would trust from 50+. Even Vinatari in Indy has missed some this year, including a 28yd attempt! I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'd have to think the odds of the offense converting a 4th and 1 would be better than an average kicker making a 50yd FG, plus the potential payoff (7 points) would be higher.

the ball was on the 33. you lose it at the spot of the kick which was the 40. even if we got stuffed at the line, that would leave a field for dallass that was 7 yds longer. and a TD isn't an automatic if we make it, but it does get suisham closer which would ONLY help things. 3 points wouldn't have won it for us, given the outcome, but going for it would have helped, imo. we had momentum at that point.

And we would've had even more momentum if we converted a 4th and 1. We really had 'em on their heels in the 1st half, much more than the score suggests. The 'boys were clearly expecting to blow the 'skins out, and seemed a little stunned our guys were making a tough game of it.

[RayNAustin]

I've been critical of many calls this year, and though I would have liked us to go for it on 4th down....I think it was throwing on 2nd and 1, and then 3rd and 1 that were the questionable calls. Kicking the FG there was borderline conventional wisdom that early in the game with a lead. Missing it made the call a bad call.

But overall, I think it was one of the best games we've played since Gibbs return, and certainly one of the best this year.

Going into Dallas all banged up....missing half of the secondary, half of the o-line, receivers limping.....we were inches away from getting a win against a team that has been playing outstanding all year long.

Jason Campbell has demonstrated that he is the real deal, and I think this is the first time I have had optimism about the team's direction.

If Taylor is back there playing, we win this game by 10 points. Guaranteed.

Even with TO catching 4 TD's, we were still in the game with a good chance to win....that is extremely encouraging.

[Deadskins]

What did everyone think about when Ware was standing there with his arm around the ref? The ref was all smiles and joking with the Cowpie players right up until the start of the next play. He looked like he was po'd that he had to stop visiting and go back to work.

[VetSkinsFan]

Face it, some people are never content. Going against the #2 offense and staying with it the way we did, it shows something. Regardless of the fact that, as previously stated, we are missing one starting CB, our pro-bowl safety, TWO offensive lineman and another went out vs Dallas, #3 WR, #1 WR not 100%, I think we did alright. Are there deficiencies? Hell yeah. JC had career yards and career attempts (with a 60%+ completion) 2 TD and 1 INT, which was a young, desparation mistake. I think the skins played pretty well, a lot better than I had anticipated. Questionable calls are always present hindsight. I didn't agree with both 4th down calls, either, but overall, it was a great game, even though we lost. All the naysayers need to take a step back and really look at how we've preformed this year (sans Detriot) and compare vs Dallas IN Dallas. Things are looking up!

[Irn-Bru]

What did everyone think about when Ware was standing there with his arm around the ref? The ref was all smiles and joking with the Cowpie players right up until the start of the next play. He looked like he was po'd that he had to stop visiting and go back to work.

If I'm recalling correctly that was after the refs had given the Skins a make-up call of roughing the passer on Ware, since on the previous possession they had made a dubious overturn of McIntosh's interception and then gave the Cowboys a 50+ yard pass interference call.

The call on Ware for roughing was an even greater stretch. I hate it when refs try to balance their mistakes out. I'd rather see them make 1 or 2 mistakes but call a consistent game than see them try to balance the scales.

[Fios]

What did everyone think about when Ware was standing there with his arm around the ref? The ref was all smiles and joking with the Cowpie players right up until the start of the next play. He looked like he was po'd that he had to stop visiting and go back to work.

If I'm recalling correctly that was after the refs had given the Skins a make-up call of roughing the passer on Ware, since on the previous possession they had made a dubious overturn of McIntosh's interception and then gave the Cowboys a 50+ yard pass interference call.

The call on Ware for roughing was an even greater stretch. I hate it when refs try to balance their mistakes out. I'd rather see them make 1 or 2 mistakes but call a consistent game than see them try to balance the scales.

Yeah, the call on Ware was awful and I got the impression he was just trying to plead his case a bit ... I actually thought the decision on the INT and pass interference were correct, my (not going to ever be resolved) issue is that the offense can advance 50 yards on a flag while the defense has no equivalent penalty. It's stupid, I do not like the spot of the contact calls.

[Deadskins]

What did everyone think about when Ware was standing there with his arm around the ref? The ref was all smiles and joking with the Cowpie players right up until the start of the next play. He looked like he was po'd that he had to stop visiting and go back to work.

If I'm recalling correctly that was after the refs had given the Skins a make-up call of roughing the passer on Ware, since on the previous possession they had made a dubious overturn of McIntosh's interception and then gave the Cowboys a 50+ yard pass interference call.

The call on Ware for roughing was an even greater stretch. I hate it when refs try to balance their mistakes out. I'd rather see them make 1 or 2 mistakes but call a consistent game than see them try to balance the scales.

Yeah, the call on Ware was awful and I got the impression he was just trying to plead his case a bit ... I actually thought the decision on the INT and pass interference were correct, my (not going to ever be resolved) issue is that the offense can advance 50 yards on a flag while the defense has no equivalent penalty. It's stupid, I do not like the spot of the contact calls.

You could plainly read the ref's lips when he said it was another ref who made that call. It was like Ware was appealing to his ref; the one in the Pies' back pocket.

[Fios]

What did everyone think about when Ware was standing there with his arm around the ref? The ref was all smiles and joking with the Cowpie players right up until the start of the next play. He looked like he was po'd that he had to stop visiting and go back to work.

If I'm recalling correctly that was after the refs had given the Skins a make-up call of roughing the passer on Ware, since on the previous possession they had made a dubious overturn of McIntosh's interception and then gave the Cowboys a 50+ yard pass interference call.

The call on Ware for roughing was an even greater stretch. I hate it when refs try to balance their mistakes out. I'd rather see them make 1 or 2 mistakes but call a consistent game than see them try to balance the scales.

Yeah, the call on Ware was awful and I got the impression he was just trying to plead his case a bit ... I actually thought the decision on the INT and pass interference were correct, my (not going to ever be resolved) issue is that the offense can advance 50 yards on a flag while the defense has no equivalent penalty. It's stupid, I do not like the spot of the contact calls.

You could plainly read the ref's lips when he said it was another ref who made that call. It was like Ware was appealing to his ref; the one in the Pies' back pocket.

I really didn't see anything nefarious about it

[langleyparkjoe]

Hey Fios, I agree man, I think they got Rocky's call correct, that ball look like it hit the ground first and I also think that was a weak call against Ware. Overall, it was a great game and overall we did alot better than I expected. If we had played that game the way we did the eagles game, I'd have broken yet another remote control. Taylor out, the cowpunks did what they were supposed to do, with their garbage secondary, we did what we had to do. Kudos to the Skins for finally playing a good well faught game. Like I said before, we can win from here on out and lets keep rooting for all the AFC teams to beat the NFC teams!!

[Bob 0119]

All in all, I was impressed with our teams performance. Even though we didn't win we showed that we could. We just came up a little short.

It's not worth arguing different calls from early in the game IMO. You adjust a play from the first quarter than you have a totally different game. Whose to say Dallas doesn't try to do things differently throughout the rest of the game after we score a second touchdown instead of miss a field goal?

We were in it to the last minute, and it's a shame that the final crushing blow had to be Jason's only interception after having a career day. Even if he hadn't been picked-off, there's still no garuntee that we score the touchdown we need, but it certainly looked like we could have.

I think we payed a good solid game of football, yes we lost, but we didn't give up and we certainly couldn't have been counted out even though no one gave us a chance to win going in.

Dallas was, and still is the toughest team on the rest of our schedule and we showed we could beat them. If we play at this level the rest of the season, I believe we can beat everyone else, and Dallas may rest all of it's starters in our final game as they are all but garunteed to win the division. That would put us at 11-5 with the pivotal game being New York in New York (which could put us 10-6). It all starts with how we do in Tampa.

I wondered two things from yesterday;

1) Does anyone else think that the "high-snaps" that go over Romo's head are by design? Seriously, I know it sounds stupid, but they do it every game, and it always seems to work for them. Their center can't really be that bad, can he?

2) If the defense is penalized, and the penalty calls for yardage and repeat down, why does it take time off the clock? I know it's trivial, and those extra 10 seconds would probably not have helped us, but it seemed wrong to me.

Hard to believe that a loss could be a cause for optimism!

[HEROHAMO]

I am also somewhat satisfied with yesterdays play. I was very happy to see our offense buzzing along.
But,
I have to lobby to cut Pierson Preileau. This guy is a bum. Why even step onto the field? If you are just going to half effort everything. He cant cover and he cant tackle.

PP bum of the day. He was a bum last week. He also was a bum this week.
Come with it, or dont come at all! PP you suck!

[Fios]

I am also somewhat satisfied with yesterdays play. I was very happy to see our offense buzzing along.
But,
I have to lobby to cut Pierson Preileau. This guy is a bum. Why even step onto the field? If you are just going to half effort everything. He cant cover and he cant tackle.

PP bum of the day. He was a bum last week. He also was a bum this week.
Come with it, or dont come at all! PP you suck!

Yeah, definitely, we have so much depth at safety, we can afford to cut anyone who doesn't excel as a starter every week.

[HEROHAMO]

I am also somewhat satisfied with yesterdays play. I was very happy to see our offense buzzing along.
But,
I have to lobby to cut Pierson Preileau. This guy is a bum. Why even step onto the field? If you are just going to half effort everything. He cant cover and he cant tackle.

PP bum of the day. He was a bum last week. He also was a bum this week.
Come with it, or dont come at all! PP you suck!

Yeah, definitely, we have so much depth at safety, we can afford to cut anyone who doesn't excel as a starter every week.

Heck we could have thrown a nickelback back there. He would have done better then PP.