Post-Game discussion Thread. Philly vs Joe Gibbs.

[ike075]

I think to sum it up.....we all have lost our mind...why....because how can Joe Gibbs continue to make the same mistakes over and over. Not to bring up an old wound but how long did it take him to realize Brunell was no longer capable? We all understand mistakes happen.....but if they continue to happen weekin and weekout....then there is a problem with the coaching staff and something needs to change.

Every time I see a stupid mistake or the lack of using the team correctly I say to myself "Well, at least hopefully this will bring him around and he will learn a great lesson that will help us move forward stronger." Sadly I have finally come to the realization that not a single lesson has been learned and we are just repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

Ikester

[Bob 0119]

Here's where I'm a little lost I guess. I personally thought this was an outstanding day for the offense, all things considered.

James Thrash, who has been repeatedly trashed on this site for not being "good enough to be a number 3 reciever" proved that he can, in fact, catch the ball. Brandon Lloyd, whom has had many man-crushers screaming for him to get a chance proved that he, in fact, still needs work.

What have we all been saying Gibbs needed to do?

Let Campbell air the ball out more. Check

Get more production from the running game. Check

Take some chances. Check (I consider allowing Jason to go "No Huddle" kind of risky, and Gibbs' call)

Show some innovation. Check (I'm not sure how many times we went play action from a 3 TE set, with one wide reciever, but it was a lot, and it usually worked because everytime I've seen that formation it's been a running play)

So it's come down to him being blamed for the loss because we used our time outs improperly? Whatever...If it's not that, I'm sure many of you will find something else to keep the blame squarely on Gibbs.

How about Philly's last two touchdowns? One because Prielou (I'm sure I mispelled that, but I'm confident plenty of people will correct me) lost the ball and let the reciever get in behind him, and the last one where the defenders didn't even make a move on Westbrook and let him waltz right into the endzone untouched for what was it? 12 yards? I can't remember, and I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

It's been no secret that Gibbs let's GW call the plays on defense. Nobody had a problem with this arraingment before, but no one has come out screaming for Williams' head even though this loss falls SQUARELY on the defense.

Why are we still running Cover 3 when it has become apparent that New England, New York, and now Philly have all figured out it's weak spots? How many times did we blitz McNabb? It certainly didn't seem like many, yet it does seem that the teams that beat him, do so by getting to him.

What ever happeneed to the defense swarming the ball like it did in the first part of the year?

I'll admit, it is frustrating. Defense was all we had, then the running game finally showed up, and now that the offense seems to have gotten it's act together the D falls apart.

Suck it up people. We lost. It happens. Nobody likes it, but every week half the teams that play, lose.

At least we're in good company this week.

How many people picked the Saints to be the first to lose to the Rams?

How many people picked the Chargers to beat Indy?

That was quite possibly the most human I've seen Manning look in several years. He couldn't get anything going and just made Norv Turner look like a genius.

Sure, I'm not looking forward to the Cowgirls next week, but I'll be there watching anyway because it will be that much sweeter if we do somehow figure out how to pull off the win.

[steve09ru]

Brandon Lloyd, whom has had many man-crushers screaming for him to get a chance proved that he, in fact, still needs work.

I haven't been much of a Lloyd fan but i don't really think he has had that chance but the 3 or 4 plays he is in on a game. He has had his man beat several times downfield but there is a checkdown guy or it is overthrown and he has shown full effort by laying out for these.

I would like to see him in on more plays before i go out to say he needs work. Put him in the gameplan like we had thrash in on today and you will see similar production

[crazyhorse1]

Brandon Lloyd, whom has had many man-crushers screaming for him to get a chance proved that he, in fact, still needs work.

I haven't been much of a Lloyd fan but i don't really think he has had that chance but the 3 or 4 plays he is in on a game. He has had his man beat several times downfield but there is a checkdown guy or it is overthrown and he has shown full effort by laying out for these.

I would like to see him in on more plays before i go out to say he needs work. Put him in the gameplan like we had thrash in on today and you will see similar production

I have to agree with this. Lloyd clearly had his defenders beat and should have had a score. Campbell's pass was long and he made a great effort. I have no idea at all we anyone thinks Lloyd needs more work based on Sunday's game. Gibbs needs to retire. Then, we'll see whether Lloyd can play or not.

[crazyhorse1]

Gibbs can't please some of you any time.

What has he done to please anybody? His record is barely better than Norv's was.

You're sort of right.

Norv took over a team that was three years removed from a SB (2 from the playoffs) and went 23-34 in his first 56 games (no playoffs). That is a .411 winning percentage.

Joe took over a team that was twelve years removed from HIS last SB and 4 years removed from the only playoff run in those twelve years. While he does have a poor W/L record in those 56 games 26-31 (.464) he got this team back to the playoffs in 2 years and probably will do it again this year.

So forgive me if I am inclined to give him a little rope.

Joe's biggest problem was trying to "build" a winner too quick. The whole Brunell experiment and changing to Saunders system has set this team back to the point where this is really his first year going forward with any chance for long term success.

Now lets get rid of him and start over...

It's hard to forgive Gibbs for the Brunell experiment, especially since it was just an earlier version of his "go into a shell" philosophy. I'm sure he still has no clue it doesn't work. Any day now the term "Redskin football" will cause me to go beserk.

[Taylor21]

until i stop seeing lavar jerseys at the game, redskins fans imo are just not in tune with reality. fans need to start being more openly critical. stop buying crap at the game, boycott beer. honestly danny would start understanding once his wallet started being effected

[floridaskinsfan]

until i stop seeing lavar jerseys at the game, redskins fans imo are just not in tune with reality. fans need to start being more openly critical. stop buying crap at the game, boycott beer. honestly danny would start understanding once his wallet started being effected

That will never happen and you can't blame this on the fans

[welch]

Bob <numbers> said

Here's where I'm a little lost I guess. I personally thought this was an outstanding day for the offense, all things considered.

James Thrash, who has been repeatedly trashed on this site for not being "good enough to be a number 3 reciever" proved that he can, in fact, catch the ball. Brandon Lloyd, whom has had many man-crushers screaming for him to get a chance proved that he, in fact, still needs work.

What have we all been saying Gibbs needed to do?

Let Campbell air the ball out more. Check

Get more production from the running game. Check

Take some chances. Check (I consider allowing Jason to go "No Huddle" kind of risky, and Gibbs' call)

Show some innovation. Check (I'm not sure how many times we went play action from a 3 TE set, with one wide receiver, but it was a lot, and it usually worked because every time I've seen that formation it's been a running play)

So it's come down to him being blamed for the loss because we used our time outs improperly? Whatever...If it's not that, I'm sure many of you will find something else to keep the blame squarely on Gibbs.

Good for you, Bob. Come back more often.

Just for some perspective, twenty years ago "Redskin fans" screamed the same thing: Gibbs had lost it, he couldn't beat the Bears, the offense was obsolete. Seemed to me, then, that Gibbs hadn't suddenly lose his brain, but "Redskin fans" all thought so. "Need more explosive offense".

Times change, but maybe "Redskin fans" don't.

By the way, the common wisdom changed in one quarter of SB 22...then in '88 and '89 came right back. Didn't change again until SB 26.

It's a funny game, isn't it?

[grampi]

I think to sum it up.....we all have lost our mind...why....because how can Joe Gibbs continue to make the same mistakes over and over. Not to bring up an old wound but how long did it take him to realize Brunell was no longer capable? We all understand mistakes happen.....but if they continue to happen weekin and weekout....then there is a problem with the coaching staff and something needs to change.

Every time I see a stupid mistake or the lack of using the team correctly I say to myself "Well, at least hopefully this will bring him around and he will learn a great lesson that will help us move forward stronger." Sadly I have finally come to the realization that not a single lesson has been learned and we are just repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

Ikester

Isn't the definition of insane doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time?

[Fan035]

The same mistakes occur every week - poor clock management, stupid penalties, and unimaginative play-calling. Unfortunately these mistakes have to be laid at the foot of Coach Gibbs.

[joedondero1919]

Gibbs can't please some of you any time.

What has he done to please anybody? His record is barely better than Norv's was.

You're sort of right.

Norv took over a team that was three years removed from a SB (2 from the playoffs) and went 23-34 in his first 56 games (no playoffs). That is a .411 winning percentage.

Joe took over a team that was twelve years removed from HIS last SB and 4 years removed from the only playoff run in those twelve years. While he does have a poor W/L record in those 56 games 26-31 (.464) he got this team back to the playoffs in 2 years and probably will do it again this year.

So forgive me if I am inclined to give him a little rope.

Joe's biggest problem was trying to "build" a winner too quick. The whole Brunell experiment and changing to Saunders system has set this team back to the point where this is really his first year going forward with any chance for long term success.

Now lets get rid of him and start over...

you just compared joe gibbs to the worst coach in the history of the NFL. we have now hit a new low when we set the bar with norv turner.

[Mursilis]

What have we all been saying Gibbs needed to do?

How about "Win more games"? He's still under .500 in Year 4 of his contract, and he has total control over player personnel and an owner happy to write checks. Gibbs defenders can explain it away however they want, but he's had his two worst seasons EVER in the last 3 years. That pretty much says it all.

[everydayAskinsday]

at least the teams ahead of us in the Wildcard sputtered also .. we entered our game sunday one game behind the Giants and Lions and we left it one game behind the Giants and Lions with both of them joining us in the lose column..

.. its now Dallas week and hopefully we can steal one from them.. I viewed this team as being 6 and 4 coming out of the Dallas game only with it being from us beating Phili at home and losing to Dallas on the road now we just have to go about it the opposite way ..

Campbell looked solid and Portis is hitting his stride so im not ready to give up yet.. BEAT DALLAS!!

[Fios]

at least the teams ahead of us in the Wildcard sputtered also .. we entered our game sunday one game behind the Giants and Lions and we left it one game behind the Giants and Lions with both of them joining us in the lose column..

.. its now Dallas week and hopefully we can steal one from them.. I viewed this team as being 6 and 4 coming out of the Dallas game only with it being from us beating Phili at home and losing to Dallas on the road now we just have to go about it the opposite way ..

Campbell looked solid and Portis is hitting his stride so im not ready to give up yet.. BEAT DALLAS!!

moved to existing post-game thread

[spenser]

until i stop seeing lavar jerseys at the game, redskins fans imo are just not in tune with reality. fans need to start being more openly critical. stop buying crap at the game, boycott beer. honestly danny would start understanding once his wallet started being effected

ding ding ding, we have a winner. Affect his poketbook, and thats when change will happen. Every year we are sold on somthing. New coach, new players, new retro uniforms, but the end result is alsways the same. A bad to very mediocre team.

[SKINFAN]

until i stop seeing lavar jerseys at the game, redskins fans imo are just not in tune with reality. fans need to start being more openly critical. stop buying crap at the game, boycott beer. honestly danny would start understanding once his wallet started being effected

ding ding ding, we have a winner. Affect his poketbook, and thats when change will happen. Every year we are sold on somthing. New coach, new players, new retro uniforms, but the end result is alsways the same. A bad to very mediocre team.

I think you have it in reverse, We are a Mediocre team that has regressed to being very bad. Conventional thinking would say we have talent, why can't we win? Well we can win....... at least for first two to three quarters, then we just lose interest and find a way to give it away.

[DarthMonk]

I believe we intentionally let Westbrook score unimpeded at the end. That was actually our best time-mangement decision of the Gibbs II era.

Truly.

DarthMonk

[everydayAskinsday]

I believe we intentionally let Westbrook score unimpeded at the end. That was actually our best time-mangement decision of the Gibbs II era.

Truly.

DarthMonk

agreed.. we definetly let him score.. as you said the best time-management we have shown since Gibbs got here.. if we tryed to stop em we would not have had ample to time to try and tie the ball game up.. seeing as how we blew all our timeouts

[DarthMonk]

Sorry if this is in the wrong thread. Just seemd to fit.

One day a fourth-grade teacher asked the children what their
fathers did for a living.

All the typical answers came up -- fireman, mechanic,
businessman, salesman, doctor, lawyer, and so forth.

However, little Justin was being uncharacteristically quiet,
so when the teacher prodded him about his father, he replied, 'My
father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in
front of other men and they put money in his underwear. Sometimes, if the offer is r eally good, he will go home with some guy and stay with
him all night for money.'

The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly
set the other children to work on some exercises and then took little
Justin aside to ask him, 'Is that really true about your father?'

'No,' the boy said, 'He plays for the Washington Redskins,'
but I was to embarrassed to say that in front of the other kids.'

I will watch this Sunday with hope that we beat the Cowboys. But gosh, too many more of these and I may have to start acting like a responsible adult on Sundays.

DarthMonk

[CanesSkins26]

For anyone that continues to think that Gibbs has that killer attitude, check this out....

Saunders said the team ran the ball in an effort to avoid a mistake and possibly catch Philadelphia by surprise, and Coach Joe Gibbs said he thought Philadelphia "might be playing soft" and expecting a pass, but players focused on the end result.

That quote is in reference to us running on 7 of 8 plays inside the 10 in the 4th quarter. Another example of playing scared and not going for the jugular. Truly pathetic. Once again they tried to play it safe and got burned for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/11/AR2007111101521.html

[Irn-Bru]

Saunders said the team ran the ball in an effort to avoid a mistake and possibly catch Philadelphia by surprise, and Coach Joe Gibbs said he thought Philadelphia "might be playing soft" and expecting a pass, but players focused on the end result.

That quote is in reference to us running on 7 of 8 plays inside the 10 in the 4th quarter.

That quote is in reference to one of the plays in particular, when we ran out of a spread formation.

Another example of playing scared and not going for the jugular. Truly pathetic. Once again they tried to play it safe and got burned for it.

I agree that it was a mistake. We should not be sending in the jumbo package on the 6-yard line—especially not more than once, if at all.

[ICEMAN]

So what's your point??? I guess we should fire Joe Gibbs and let everyone in the world shake their heads and laugh and say "Oh what in the shame is going on in DC"???

Last I checked we are 5-4 and I will enjoy MY head coach and team right the ship right into the playoffs...but most importantly...IT'S DALLAS WEEK!!!!

oh...but some of you DEFECTORS wouldn't know anything about that, huh?

i.e. Ikester, Caneskins, the list goes on...

[El Mexican]

We are defectors, Iceman. We are critical fans. It´s kind of a good thing.

I swear if as I see another 4th quarter meltdown I´m losing my mind. Absolutely exasperating.

[RayNAustin]

For anyone that continues to think that Gibbs has that killer attitude, check this out....

Saunders said the team ran the ball in an effort to avoid a mistake and possibly catch Philadelphia by surprise, and Coach Joe Gibbs said he thought Philadelphia "might be playing soft" and expecting a pass, but players focused on the end result.

That quote is in reference to us running on 7 of 8 plays inside the 10 in the 4th quarter. Another example of playing scared and not going for the jugular. Truly pathetic. Once again they tried to play it safe and got burned for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/11/AR2007111101521.html

Hell, they admitted that they played conservative purposely against the Cards because the defense was playing well...said they decided to lean on the defense ????.

I watched the Gibbs Monday presser,and there he goes with the "All of our games, minus 2, have come down to a play or two. And all the rest of our games are probably going to be the same.

The origin of this "lack of killer instinct" shouldn't be a mystery to anyone. That's a real problem on this team. Anyone hear Rock's rants in the lockerroom?

[CanesSkins26]

I watched the Gibbs Monday presser,and there he goes with the "All of our games, minus 2, have come down to a play or two. And all the rest of our games are probably going to be the same.

I hate that attitude from Gibbs. I have no idea why he feels the need to say that every week. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy with this team. The craziest part about this is that we turn games that we can win by two touchdowns into close games....the Giants game, the Cardinals game (as you pointed out), the Eagles game...it goes on and on.