My weekly thread of self-indulgence/Should Gibbs step aside?

[gregory smith]

Perhaps I was, ya know, agreeing with you.

[Fios]

Perhaps I was, ya know, agreeing with you.

Which part of "no way should he step aside ... I really don't understand why you would ask such a question" and "knee jerk reaction to the pounding in New England" is agreeing with me?

[Deadskins]

Step aside? Now? No way. If he step aside now this would mean he would be giving up on the team. How would the players react?

I am not sure I want GW or Al Saunders coaching this team any how. In fact I will say I do not want Saunders or GW to be head coach. I do not see Gibbs stepping down not in the middle of the season anyway. Maybe after his contract is up. The way I see it we just have to suck it up and deal with it.

My expectations for this team were to be competitive and get into the playoffs and see how far we can get.

Now the loss on Sunday to the Pats was miserable as a fan to watch and it hurt oh so bad, but Gibbs has at least earned the right to finish out his contract. After another draft class, I believe we can gain additional pieces to a SuperBowl team.

I believe we have a good team now, I think we will be even better come next draft class.

Now everyone knows this team has been hammered with injuries. Our whole right side of the line is gone. The Pats consistently blitzed and overloaded the right side. I hate to keep repeating whats been said before but it is too true.

So as a Skins fan I for one am going to grit my teeth this season and hope for the best, once again.

Gibbs has brought in a whole lot of talent thus far. Gibbs has never had a chance to pick with most of our draft picks. Going into this off season for once we have most of our picks to go at it this year.

Honestly I went into this season thinking we will be good this year, but we will be even better after the 2008 draft. This I promise and know for sure.

So all though I get pissed at times with the playcalling of this offense. I do remember this offense had signs of life. The Pats game the offense was wide open there were plenty of passes to go with the runs. Jason Campbell lost that game in my opinion. J.C. choked big time.

I am one that still has confidence in Gibbs and am willing to at least see him through till his contract is over. Just think about it. Think about the more talent that can be added after the 2008 draft.

So far we have been hammered with injuries and inconsistent line and Qb play. We can at least see how the season pans out.

I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down. This is the first time (OK maybe the second, if you include Schottenheimer's season) in the past 15 years that I think the Redskins are actually going in the right direction as an organization. Sorry Master Shake, but I can't digg it.

[Fios]

Step aside? Now? No way. If he step aside now this would mean he would be giving up on the team. How would the players react?

I am not sure I want GW or Al Saunders coaching this team any how. In fact I will say I do not want Saunders or GW to be head coach. I do not see Gibbs stepping down not in the middle of the season anyway. Maybe after his contract is up. The way I see it we just have to suck it up and deal with it.

My expectations for this team were to be competitive and get into the playoffs and see how far we can get.

Now the loss on Sunday to the Pats was miserable as a fan to watch and it hurt oh so bad, but Gibbs has at least earned the right to finish out his contract. After another draft class, I believe we can gain additional pieces to a SuperBowl team.

I believe we have a good team now, I think we will be even better come next draft class.

Now everyone knows this team has been hammered with injuries. Our whole right side of the line is gone. The Pats consistently blitzed and overloaded the right side. I hate to keep repeating whats been said before but it is too true.

So as a Skins fan I for one am going to grit my teeth this season and hope for the best, once again.

Gibbs has brought in a whole lot of talent thus far. Gibbs has never had a chance to pick with most of our draft picks. Going into this off season for once we have most of our picks to go at it this year.

Honestly I went into this season thinking we will be good this year, but we will be even better after the 2008 draft. This I promise and know for sure.

So all though I get pissed at times with the playcalling of this offense. I do remember this offense had signs of life. The Pats game the offense was wide open there were plenty of passes to go with the runs. Jason Campbell lost that game in my opinion. J.C. choked big time.

I am one that still has confidence in Gibbs and am willing to at least see him through till his contract is over. Just think about it. Think about the more talent that can be added after the 2008 draft.

So far we have been hammered with injuries and inconsistent line and Qb play. We can at least see how the season pans out.

I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down. This is the first time (OK maybe the second, if you include Schottenheimer's season) in the past 15 years that I think the Redskins are actually going in the right direction as an organization. Sorry Master Shake, but I can't digg it.

That's fair, I'm not claiming I'm absolutely right, obviously there are enough games left to make the piece seem foolish in retrospect and I'd be more than willing to play the fool here. I do have to quote this though because I think people keep skipping this point:

That's not to say we've given up on the team or any of that nonsense. However, we think it is time for Gibbs to strongly consider stepping into a role that allows him to build relationships with players without the stress inherent in coaching.

6) We would love, very much, for the team to roll through the rest of the season like men possessed. We would love to look back on this piece and chide ourselves for getting overly caught up in a loss.

[Fan035]

The play calling has been pretty awful. I don't know who's in charge of it, but if it's Gibbs, yes, I think it's time. It's painful to say because I have nothing but respect for the man but maybe the game has passed him by. Not only the play-calling but the clock-management has been abyssmal as well.

[Deadskins]

Step aside? Now? No way. If he step aside now this would mean he would be giving up on the team. How would the players react?

I am not sure I want GW or Al Saunders coaching this team any how. In fact I will say I do not want Saunders or GW to be head coach. I do not see Gibbs stepping down not in the middle of the season anyway. Maybe after his contract is up. The way I see it we just have to suck it up and deal with it.

My expectations for this team were to be competitive and get into the playoffs and see how far we can get.

Now the loss on Sunday to the Pats was miserable as a fan to watch and it hurt oh so bad, but Gibbs has at least earned the right to finish out his contract. After another draft class, I believe we can gain additional pieces to a SuperBowl team.

I believe we have a good team now, I think we will be even better come next draft class.

Now everyone knows this team has been hammered with injuries. Our whole right side of the line is gone. The Pats consistently blitzed and overloaded the right side. I hate to keep repeating whats been said before but it is too true.

So as a Skins fan I for one am going to grit my teeth this season and hope for the best, once again.

Gibbs has brought in a whole lot of talent thus far. Gibbs has never had a chance to pick with most of our draft picks. Going into this off season for once we have most of our picks to go at it this year.

Honestly I went into this season thinking we will be good this year, but we will be even better after the 2008 draft. This I promise and know for sure.

So all though I get pissed at times with the playcalling of this offense. I do remember this offense had signs of life. The Pats game the offense was wide open there were plenty of passes to go with the runs. Jason Campbell lost that game in my opinion. J.C. choked big time.

I am one that still has confidence in Gibbs and am willing to at least see him through till his contract is over. Just think about it. Think about the more talent that can be added after the 2008 draft.

So far we have been hammered with injuries and inconsistent line and Qb play. We can at least see how the season pans out.

I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down. This is the first time (OK maybe the second, if you include Schottenheimer's season) in the past 15 years that I think the Redskins are actually going in the right direction as an organization. Sorry Master Shake, but I can't digg it.

That's fair, I'm not claiming I'm absolutely right, obviously there are enough games left to make the piece seem foolish in retrospect and I'd be more than willing to play the fool here. I do have to quote this though because I think people keep skipping this point:

That's not to say we've given up on the team or any of that nonsense. However, we think it is time for Gibbs to strongly consider stepping into a role that allows him to build relationships with players without the stress inherent in coaching.

6) We would love, very much, for the team to roll through the rest of the season like men possessed. We would love to look back on this piece and chide ourselves for getting overly caught up in a loss.

Well, I think bringing in Al Saunders to run the offense was Joe's way of doing just what you said in the first point you quoted. And I hope that when he does step down, he will move into a role in the FO, or at least stay on in some consulting capacity. I have been critical of certain aspects of his game management in his second tenure (clock management, halftime adjustments, and sitting on small leads), but I still believe his very presence on the sidelines instills a certain confidence in the players, that he can only accomplish as HC. As for your second point, I hope for the very same thing.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

I personally believe Joe will turn this thing around.

What does that MEAN EXACTLY? Is 'turning this thing around" going above .500? Making the playoffs? Winning the Super Bowl? It needs to be quantified. Just improving on 5-11 is nothing - that's too low a bar.

Four Words: SUPER BOWL. REVENGE GAME.

[aswas71788]

I agree with the sentiment that the game has passed Joe Gibbs by. It is not that I would not like to see Gibbs succeed but I just don't think he will. Several times in past games this year, the camera has focused on Joe Gibbs on the side line. He seems to have the same bewildered, defeated, what's happening? look that Parcels had last year and Spurrier had in the last half of his last year. This is not the Joe Gibbs that was here before.

[BnGhog]

The only thoughts I have on this issue is this. Gibbs will be here the length of his contract. I'm Pretty sure of that.

IMO, I think It would be In the teams best interest, to say who will be his replacement this offseason.

The reason I say that is, If it will be someone like Saunders or Williams for example, those guys will be here anyway next year. So, this will give Gibbs the opportunity to be teaching him some things, teaching him some of Gibbs philosophies. Also, I'm sure there are some things Gibbs has put in place for the future of this team, and those things should be told to the new coach.

Also, If the players know that far ahead of time, they will have a year with out the stress an worries of "who will be our coach". And this can also allow the changes to sink in for the next off-season. Plus, with FA players trying to decide to re-sign or some of them will be thinking "I wonder who will be the coach, I will only re sign with the Skins if Saunder is the coach" or someone something like that won't be an issue.

I just think things will go smoother.

[CanesSkins26]

I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down.

Turnaround? What turnaround? We had a nice 6 game stretch in 2005. Other than that this team under Gibbs has been AWFUL. Last year we finished 5-11, the same as in Spurrier's last season and the worst season of Gibbs' career. Last week we had Gibbs' worst loss. There seem to be a lot of "worsts" associated with Gibbs' second tenure here. 3 and a half seasons in and we still have problems between players and coaches (Lavar, Arch, Lloyd). We have utterly thrown away draft picks and as a result have no real depth on this team. We have no identity on offense and for the second straight year appear to be changing things up mid-season. We have game/clock management that a rookie head coach couldn't get away with and how many times have we seen Gibbs with that blank, confused, and uncertain look on his face? All we hear from the team and coaches is how they are being too conservative, but what exactly do they do to fix the problem? Nothing. And yes we have injuries, but we were healthy early on in the season, and the Lions game notwithstanding, our offense has looked like garbage in every other game. The Dolphins have gotten blown out in every game and we had to go to overtime to beat them and only scored 16 points against them. This team is definitely not going in the right direction.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'll never call for Joe to go. It's not just nostalgia. I said not "just." None of the Joe Schmos in between gave me any more hope then that Joe will figure it out.

How many coaches wallowed in mediocrity before they started to put it together, like Belichick and Cowher? So, logically, not just nostalgically, do we dump (actively, quietly, whatever) the guy who HAS solved the puzzle before for someone who hasnt'? How does that make sense?

I mean I have essentially advanced that same argument myself, god knows I have a long track record of defending Gibbs on this site. But I just don't see him adapting quickly enough, if at all, to help solve the current puzzle. So I appreciate his track record but I question how many chances that buys him.

I know you've been a Gibbs supporter and don't take it otherwise now to raise the question. And I've been frustrated too, as any Skins fan dealing with reality has. I guess the things I would point to would be that we are increasing our skill level, we have a good young QB and Skins like Betts and ey are forgoing free agency to stay. They aren't doing that just because they like him.

While I also frequently haven't liked the play calling, I don't think we've ever been just better play calling from making the Super Bowl. I think that confidence is a factor and as the team gets better the play calling will reflect that. While I agree with your article on the play calling in the Zona game, still, we were missing most of our line. While I still think as you said he was wrong I don't necessarily think it means he's lost his edge. It's really disappointing what happened to the line with Portis healthy and JC gelling and getting in sync with Sanata and ARE.

What would convince me to consider alternatives would be a better choice. I could see Williams or Saunders replacing Gibbs when he decides to go, but I can't see pushing him into it to get either of them. I definitely don't think dumping him and then interviewing the current carousel is a better answer.

The only potential I see now is Cowher. That assumes he's interested to start. The Skins are up the road from his home in Raleigh, maybe that would sway him. But still, he took time to put together a high calibre team too, how do we know he really is a better choice? Since he's a neighbor of mine now I'll drop in and gauge his interest in the job tough.

[aswas71788]

The reviled Steve Spurrier won 37% of his games while he was here. Joe Gibbs has won 43% of his games, including this year so far. A 6% better win percentage is not a turn-around or significant improvement. All it means is that he has won 2 - 3 more games than Spurrier did. And I am not advocating bring Spurrier back either!!!

[Snout]

Step aside and defer to a real GM on personnel decisions? Yes.

Step aside as head coach? No.

[crazyhorse1]

The reviled Steve Spurrier won 37% of his games while he was here. Joe Gibbs has won 43% of his games, including this year so far. A 6% better win percentage is not a turn-around or significant improvement. All it means is that he has won 2 - 3 more games than Spurrier did. And I am not advocating bring Spurrier back either!!!

When you figure that Spurrier was working with much less coaching and playing talent than Gibbs has been, the comparison is even more eye-opening.

The ineptitude of both has been extremely disappointing. Not only have they lost, they've both lost while pursuing absurdities and refusing to adapt.

[Champsturf]

Step aside and defer to a real GM on personnel decisions? Yes.

Step aside as head coach? No.

I disagree. His personnel moves have been the best moves he's made. It's his coaching that is lacking. How many times have we heard about his famous halftime adjustments? His adjustments are so good they're invisible.

[Champsturf]

The reviled Steve Spurrier won 37% of his games while he was here. Joe Gibbs has won 43% of his games, including this year so far. A 6% better win percentage is not a turn-around or significant improvement. All it means is that he has won 2 - 3 more games than Spurrier did. And I am not advocating bring Spurrier back either!!!

When you figure that Spurrier was working with much less coaching and playing talent than Gibbs has been, the comparison is even more eye-opening.

The ineptitude of both has been extremely disappointing. Not only have they lost, they've both lost while pursuing absurdities and refusing to adapt.

[Deadskins]

I agree with this post almost entirely; I can't lay the blame for this loss on JC. If you look at the turnaround the entire organization has made since Joe came back, I can't understand any fan saying he should step down.

Turnaround? What turnaround? We had a nice 6 game stretch in 2005. Other than that this team under Gibbs has been AWFUL. Last year we finished 5-11, the same as in Spurrier's last season and the worst season of Gibbs' career. Last week we had Gibbs' worst loss. There seem to be a lot of "worsts" associated with Gibbs' second tenure here. 3 and a half seasons in and we still have problems between players and coaches (Lavar, Arch, Lloyd). We have utterly thrown away draft picks and as a result have no real depth on this team. We have no identity on offense and for the second straight year appear to be changing things up mid-season. We have game/clock management that a rookie head coach couldn't get away with and how many times have we seen Gibbs with that blank, confused, and uncertain look on his face? All we hear from the team and coaches is how they are being too conservative, but what exactly do they do to fix the problem? Nothing. And yes we have injuries, but we were healthy early on in the season, and the Lions game notwithstanding, our offense has looked like garbage in every other game. The Dolphins have gotten blown out in every game and we had to go to overtime to beat them and only scored 16 points against them. This team is definitely not going in the right direction.

The turnaround I am speaking of is organization-wide. These players actually respect the coaching staff. They know that they are being well coached, as opposed to Spurrier. When we came back and beat the Cowpies on MNF two seasons ago, they gave Joe a Gatorade bath. Players don't do that for a coach they don't like. We have a camaraderie now that hasn't been seen in DC since Joe left after the '92 season. That is the stuff championship teams are made of. Sure injuries have kept our winning totals down the last few seasons, but I don't remember Spurrier ever taking us to the playoffs. I remember Norv Turner having a losing record against every other NFC East team (which at the time included the Cardinals). This team is actually good, and if at full strength, would rival any other team in the NFC. I can't help it if you can't see what's right under your nose.

P.S. Samuels, Portis, Springs, and Washington missed all or part of the pre-season due to injuries. We lost Jansen in the opener, and Thomas in the second game. Tell me again how we were healthy at the beginning of the season? And that G-string 13-10 blowout of the Fish last Sunday was certainly a confidence builder for them. Especially with the Fish playing without their starting QB and star running back.

[CanesSkins26]

They know that they are being well coached, as opposed to Spurrier.

What about our offense even remotely indicates that they are well coached? The fact that 2 seasons in a row we are switching gears mid season? Our 28th overall ranking? The lack of meaningful half time adjustments? The overly conservative play calling that has lost us two games this season already? The inability to run block, pass block, successfully run the ball, or successfully throw the ball? How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.

[1niksder]

How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.

CP said not one ball hit the ground during practice last week and everybody was on the same page. Gibbs feels the only way to get them going is for the O-line to be physical. Best way to do that is have them go out and push people off the ball.

[BnGhog]

How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.

CP said not one ball hit the ground during practice last week and everybody was on the same page. Gibbs feels the only way to get them going is for the O-line to be physical. Best way to do that is have them go out and push people off the ball.

Man, am I glad to hear that!!!!

[roybus14]

They know that they are being well coached, as opposed to Spurrier.

What about our offense even remotely indicates that they are well coached? The fact that 2 seasons in a row we are switching gears mid season? Our 28th overall ranking? The lack of meaningful half time adjustments? The overly conservative play calling that has lost us two games this season already? The inability to run block, pass block, successfully run the ball, or successfully throw the ball? How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!!!

This is professional football where men are getting paid large amounts of money to be good at what they do. I just got in to it with my boss, a Dolphins fan for criss-sake. He wants to put the blame totally on the players and injuries.

IMO, it's time for a change at the HC position because the man that was once feared and revered for his discipline, game management and half-time adjustments is not even close to being that man anymore. So what, the right side of the line is injured. You got a young QB that can roll out and is good enough to do three-step drops. If the right side of the line can't give him more than 4-5 seconds to throw, roll him out or do quick slants or something. Just like with Baseball, you can put it where they ain't. If we don't have blocking and there are cushions in the slots and the middle, throw there. That will eventually open something up in other areas.

This shifting gears tells everybody that this HC and his staff doesn't have a clue of what they are doing. I will not believe that all of those guys on offense, alot of them from that '05 run, have suddenly turned to garbage.

Poll the top backs and RB coaches around the league. All of them will probably tell that a back needs carries to get into a rhythm. So why do we have "interchangeable" backs. How is either one of them supposed to get into a rhythm? Also, how many HOF backs got there sharing the ball with another back? None. I don't know how much say Ernest Byner has but he knows about the rhythm and I guess Bowden, I mean Gibbs, is making that call. I could be wrong but doubt it.

But to your point Canes, alot of folks around here either don't want to see it or realize your point. The bottomline in pro sports is the ring. The expectations of this team under this HOF HC have not been met. He's been given his arbitrary year to see what he's got and get his feet wet, but he's regressed and it's time to go. You can still love your team and at the same time be realistic about it too. If that means being critical, so be it....

[Deadskins]

They know that they are being well coached, as opposed to Spurrier.

What about our offense even remotely indicates that they are well coached? The fact that 2 seasons in a row we are switching gears mid season? Our 28th overall ranking? The lack of meaningful half time adjustments? The overly conservative play calling that has lost us two games this season already? The inability to run block, pass block, successfully run the ball, or successfully throw the ball? How about our offensive practices, which unlike the defense according to players, doesn't run smoothly and is full of turnovers? There is absolutely nothing about our offense that indicates that it is well coached.

It's interesting how you totally disregard the points made in my post, many of which directly refute your previous post, and focus instead on only the first part of the one sentence you quoted. But to answer your question: How about the words of the players themselves? I've only heard praise from the players of our coaching staff as it currently exists. The players themselves say to a man that they are not executing well. It's hard to play gimmick football when no two consecutive offensive linemen have played next to their neighboring line-mates for more than seven games. An offensive line takes at minimum a year to gel. The fact that we are still 4-3 speaks volumes about how well coached this team is. That we have bounced back from each disappointing loss with a victory also is a good indication of Joe's ability to keep the players focused. The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 20-3; not exactly the chaff of the NFL.

[CanesSkins26]

I've only heard praise from the players of our coaching staff as it currently exists. The players themselves say to a man that they are not executing well. It's hard to play gimmick football when no two consecutive offensive linemen have played next to their neighboring line-mates for more than seven games. An offensive line takes at minimum a year to gel. The fact that we are still 4-3 speaks volumes about how well coached this team is. That we have bounced back from each disappointing loss with a victory also is a good indication of Joe's ability to keep the players focused. The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 20-3; not exactly the chaff of the NFL.

Of course the players are going to like the staff. We hand out huge contracts to players that don't perform, let players play that aren't even worthy of being backups (Thrash), and Gibbs coddles the players by always talking about how hard they fought and all that nonsense. Greg Williams rips into his guys when they screw up. The defensive players are afraid of Williams, nobody is afraid of Gibbs. This team needs a coach that is going to fire them up, not a grandfather figure like Paterno or Bowden. You think that any of the defensive players have the option to take themselves out of a game at will? No chance. Just imagine if Carlos Rogers took himself out of a game the way Moss did against Green Bay. GW would've been through the roof. There is absolutely no accountability among the offensive players and that is all Gibbs' fault.`

[KazooSkinsFan]

I've only heard praise from the players of our coaching staff as it currently exists. The players themselves say to a man that they are not executing well. It's hard to play gimmick football when no two consecutive offensive linemen have played next to their neighboring line-mates for more than seven games. An offensive line takes at minimum a year to gel. The fact that we are still 4-3 speaks volumes about how well coached this team is. That we have bounced back from each disappointing loss with a victory also is a good indication of Joe's ability to keep the players focused. The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 20-3; not exactly the chaff of the NFL.

Of course the players are going to like the staff. We hand out huge contracts to players that don't perform, let players play that aren't even worthy of being backups (Thrash), and Gibbs coddles the players by always talking about how hard they fought and all that nonsense. Greg Williams rips into his guys when they screw up. The defensive players are afraid of Williams, nobody is afraid of Gibbs. This team needs a coach that is going to fire them up, not a grandfather figure like Paterno or Bowden. You think that any of the defensive players have the option to take themselves out of a game at will? No chance. Just imagine if Carlos Rogers took himself out of a game the way Moss did against Green Bay. GW would've been through the roof. There is absolutely no accountability among the offensive players and that is all Gibbs' fault.`

Gibbs took a Spurrier team with college level coaching to the playoffs in his second year. He had a down year and is now 4-3. Since 12/32 teams make the playoffs each year, which is just over 1 out of 3, Gibbs has met the NFL average while turning over most of the roster, finding a QB of the future and putting us in contention to go back to the playoffs this year. Which if we do would be more playoff appearances then in the 11 years he was gone. And if we lose in the first round he will sill have won as many playoff games as we did in the 11 years.

Yeah, posting some good points there, no accountability, it's all his fault. String him up, what an incompetent.

[Deadskins]

I've only heard praise from the players of our coaching staff as it currently exists. The players themselves say to a man that they are not executing well. It's hard to play gimmick football when no two consecutive offensive linemen have played next to their neighboring line-mates for more than seven games. An offensive line takes at minimum a year to gel. The fact that we are still 4-3 speaks volumes about how well coached this team is. That we have bounced back from each disappointing loss with a victory also is a good indication of Joe's ability to keep the players focused. The teams we have lost to have a combined record of 20-3; not exactly the chaff of the NFL.

Of course the players are going to like the staff. We hand out huge contracts to players that don't perform, let players play that aren't even worthy of being backups (Thrash), and Gibbs coddles the players by always talking about how hard they fought and all that nonsense.

Man, you have a selective memory. I guess Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Jeff George, Danny Wuerffel, etc., etc., etc. don't ring any bells for you. You don't remember the players openly saying they had no confidence in Spurrier's system? Talk about no accountability? Spurrier's players said his training camps were a joke. His chuck and duck offense was the laughing stock of the NFL.