Official Patriots post-game discussion... LOL

[Mursilis]

The Pats may be on a track to break reords but when you run up the score just to humiliate, teams never forget. All teams get their turn in a cycle. The Pats are going to be down one of these years and you can bet that the game films from this year will be played over and over and over again. 4th and 1 to stack on points is just rubbing it in. I look forward to the day the Pats are down.

As do I. Hard to believe, but I actually hate them more than the Cowboys now!

[Countertrey]

when you run up the score just to humiliate,

Belichick once learned a harsh lesson... the game is not over until the clock hits 0. Scan these threads. You will see hundreds of posts complaining that Gibbs and company "don't go for the throat". That is exactly what Belichick is doing. He is finishing the game, playing the same way for all 60 minutes. Just as many fans here want Gibbs to do.

Gibbs, in his presser, specifically said "I don't have a problem with anything he did" when asked about that 4th down play.

If any team doesn't like the way Belichick calls the game, well, there is a solution... score more points than they do...

Oh, and the Redskins once had a coach who would have done exactly the same thing in those circumstances... George Allen was always convinced that the season would come down to the "total points scored" tiebreaker...

[CanesSkins26]

Likewise, Greg Williams said in post game that he didn't have a problem with it. He said it was up to the defense to stop the Patriots. He said even when we knew what was coming we couldn't execute. Additionally, he said that a good team doesn't let up (maybe he could mention that to Gibbs). Brian Mitchell also said that he didn't think that the Patriots did anything wrong. They did put in their second string qb so it's not like they left Brady out there. The only person who complained about it was Daniels and if he didn't like it maybe he should have done something to stop the Patriots' offense.

[CanesSkins26]

when you run up the score just to humiliate,

Belichick once learned a harsh lesson... the game is not over until the clock hits 0. Scan these threads. You will see hundreds of posts complaining that Gibbs and company "don't go for the throat". That is exactly what Belichick is doing. He is finishing the game, playing the same way for all 60 minutes. Just as many fans here want Gibbs to do.

Gibbs, in his presser, specifically said "I don't have a problem with anything he did" when asked about that 4th down play.

If any team doesn't like the way Belichick calls the game, well, there is a solution... score more points than they do...

Oh, and the Redskins once had a coach who would have done exactly the same thing in those circumstances... George Allen was always convinced that the season would come down to the "total points scored" tiebreaker...

One more thing. If our coaches had the same aggressive mentality that Belichick has we would probably be 6-1 right now. Belichcik never would've let up against the Giants or played conservatively against Green Bay or Arizona.

[Mursilis]

when you run up the score just to humiliate,

Belichick once learned a harsh lesson... the game is not over until the clock hits 0. Scan these threads. You will see hundreds of posts complaining that Gibbs and company "don't go for the throat". That is exactly what Belichick is doing. He is finishing the game, playing the same way for all 60 minutes. Just as many fans here want Gibbs to do.

Gibbs, in his presser, specifically said "I don't have a problem with anything he did" when asked about that 4th down play.

If any team doesn't like the way Belichick calls the game, well, there is a solution... score more points than they do...

Oh, and the Redskins once had a coach who would have done exactly the same thing in those circumstances... George Allen was always convinced that the season would come down to the "total points scored" tiebreaker...

There's a huge difference between protecting a 17 point lead at halftime, and a 30+ point lead late in the fourth quarter (when the other team has been completely dominated and hasn't even threatened). Bill Belichek - classless, cheating jerk.

[CanesSkins26]

when you run up the score just to humiliate,

Belichick once learned a harsh lesson... the game is not over until the clock hits 0. Scan these threads. You will see hundreds of posts complaining that Gibbs and company "don't go for the throat". That is exactly what Belichick is doing. He is finishing the game, playing the same way for all 60 minutes. Just as many fans here want Gibbs to do.

Gibbs, in his presser, specifically said "I don't have a problem with anything he did" when asked about that 4th down play.

If any team doesn't like the way Belichick calls the game, well, there is a solution... score more points than they do...

Oh, and the Redskins once had a coach who would have done exactly the same thing in those circumstances... George Allen was always convinced that the season would come down to the "total points scored" tiebreaker...

There's a huge difference between protecting a 17 point lead at halftime, and a 30+ point lead late in the fourth quarter (when the other team has been completely dominated and hasn't even threatened). Bill Belichek - classless, cheating jerk.

I have to disagree. He instills in his team that they need to be aggressive on every single play. It's not his job to worry about the feelings of opposing teams. His way of doing things has led to winning 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. You can criticize his methods all you want but he gets the job done.

[Countertrey]

when you run up the score just to humiliate,

Belichick once learned a harsh lesson... the game is not over until the clock hits 0. Scan these threads. You will see hundreds of posts complaining that Gibbs and company "don't go for the throat". That is exactly what Belichick is doing. He is finishing the game, playing the same way for all 60 minutes. Just as many fans here want Gibbs to do.

Gibbs, in his presser, specifically said "I don't have a problem with anything he did" when asked about that 4th down play.

If any team doesn't like the way Belichick calls the game, well, there is a solution... score more points than they do...

Oh, and the Redskins once had a coach who would have done exactly the same thing in those circumstances... George Allen was always convinced that the season would come down to the "total points scored" tiebreaker...

There's a huge difference between protecting a 17 point lead at halftime, and a 30+ point lead late in the fourth quarter (when the other team has been completely dominated and hasn't even threatened). Bill Belichek - classless, cheating jerk.

Fine. Opinion noted. Have you not noted that no other coaches have had much to say... or wonder why? Same solution, btw... score more points...

[Steve Spurrier III]

Bill Belichek - classless, cheating jerk.

Boo hoo. This isn't Pop Warner - it's NFL football. The Patriots aren't going for the knees or hitting after the whistle - they're strapping it on and not letting up - period. In a sports age where basketball players obviously coast, baseball players jog to first on ground outs and wide receivers go half-speed when they aren't the featured receiver, the way the Patriots play is refreshing. If the Redskins don't want to get embarrassed, they can always bring the same amount of intensity.

I seem to remember the Redskins kicking a field goal up 69-41 with four seconds to play over the Giants. If you want to call Belichick classless, you'd have to group in Sam Huff as well.

[Countertrey]

I seem to remember the Redskins kicking a field goal up 69-41 with four second to play over the Giants. If you want to call Belichick classless, you'd have to group in Sam Huff as well.

Yes! It was Huff that lobbied Graham to kick it.

[aswas71788]

screw this team, and Gibbs is not the answer.....period!

I am not ready for the 1st part of your statement, I have been a Redskins fan to long. As for the 2nd, I agree, Gibbs is not the answer and neither is Jason Campbell...........................2 fumbles almost 3 and an interception.

Campbell didn't loose the game by himself, the offense didn't show up.

I disagree about the Campbell statement. He has played very well this season so far. Far better than most young quarterbacks would at this point in their careers. Tons of analysts....Sonny, Aikman, Jaworski, Jacoby, etc. have all praised him and said they expect him to be very successful in the NFL. Yes he fumbled 3 times today, but I'm far more concerned about what the offensive line was doing than I am about JC fumbling. Twice Vrabel hit JC unblocked and on the other fumble we had ey (a mediocre blocker) and CP (usually a good blocker but he had an injured hand) trying to block him. We were down and JC was just trying to make things happen. Brady fumbled in a similar fashion as JC (ball knocked loose while trying to throw). The only difference there was that Brady's line actually blocked for him today.

I have watched every game that Campbell has played. Campbell seems to make good decisions, that is what everyone raves about but he cannot put them into effect.Yes, Brady fumbled but Brady brought his team back.

The quarterback sets the tempo for the offense even when a game plan is bad. There is no tempo with the Redskins! If you say the offensive line, I will admit that it has an effect but Campbell still cannot lead. He supposedly worked so hard during the off season. This is about the 3rd time this year that he is supposed to have had his worst game as a professional.

Time will tell but I don't think Campbell will be anymore than a journeyman quarterback. Not because he doesn't have the skills or smarts, but because he cannot execute a game plan effectively. He cannot provide that spark when it is needed. Sonny Jurgenson could lift the team and make you believe that they could win. It is not something that you can teach, it is a natural talent, a gift that makes a leader. He is the quarterback, the leader and he cannot do it. Not once this year has the offense made me believe they could win even when they did. It always fells like I have to pray that the defense makes some special play to win the game.

The road to the NFL is littered with hundreds of great college players that should have been great NFL players, had great promise or had great skills but just could not get it together. I think this is the destiny of Jason Campbell.

I stand by my statement.

[CanesSkins26]

screw this team, and Gibbs is not the answer.....period!

I am not ready for the 1st part of your statement, I have been a Redskins fan to long. As for the 2nd, I agree, Gibbs is not the answer and neither is Jason Campbell...........................2 fumbles almost 3 and an interception.

Campbell didn't loose the game by himself, the offense didn't show up.

I disagree about the Campbell statement. He has played very well this season so far. Far better than most young quarterbacks would at this point in their careers. Tons of analysts....Sonny, Aikman, Jaworski, Jacoby, etc. have all praised him and said they expect him to be very successful in the NFL. Yes he fumbled 3 times today, but I'm far more concerned about what the offensive line was doing than I am about JC fumbling. Twice Vrabel hit JC unblocked and on the other fumble we had ey (a mediocre blocker) and CP (usually a good blocker but he had an injured hand) trying to block him. We were down and JC was just trying to make things happen. Brady fumbled in a similar fashion as JC (ball knocked loose while trying to throw). The only difference there was that Brady's line actually blocked for him today.

I have watched every game that Campbell has played. Campbell seems to make good decisions, that is what everyone raves about but he cannot put them into effect.Yes, Brady fumbled but Brady brought his team back.

The quarterback sets the tempo for the offense even when a game plan is bad. There is no tempo with the Redskins! If you say the offensive line, I will admit that it has an effect but Campbell still cannot lead. He supposedly worked so hard during the off season. This is about the 3rd time this year that he is supposed to have had his worst game as a professional.

Time will tell but I don't think Campbell will be anymore than a journeyman quarterback. Not because he doesn't have the skills or smarts, but because he cannot execute a game plan effectively. He cannot provide that spark when it is needed. Sonny Jurgenson could lift the team and make you believe that they could win. It is not something that you can teach, it is a natural talent, a gift that makes a leader. He is the quarterback, the leader and he cannot do it. Not once this year has the offense made me believe they could win even when they did. It always fells like I have to pray that the defense makes some special play to win the game.

The road to the NFL is littered with hundreds of great college players that should have been great NFL players, had great promise or had great skills but just could not get it together. I think this is the destiny of Jason Campbell.

I stand by my statement.

He can't execute a game plan now? HE HAS ONLY STARTED 14 GAMES. How can he bring his team back when our line can't give him enough time to throw? When our receivers can't get open or get separation?

[Champsturf]

But if they do get open he misses them? Badly? Sorry, I like Campbell and all, but his play is not at a high level.

[Snout]

On Running Up the Score: It bothers me when a dominant team beats up on a team of chumps, a team going nowhere -- like the Patriots did to the Dolphins last week. But if we pride ourselves on being one of the top defenses in the NFL, then our guys can take it. And hopefully learn something from it. The only time to get upset when the opposing team is running up the score is when, in your heart of hearts, you are convinced that you suck. I am not willing to concede that.

Biggest Redskin Weakness: Portis isn't getting the job done. He should be carrying the load offensively until the passing game gels. Sure the line is hurt and is not creating many opportunities, but when the RB claims to be the greatest, the RB needs to make his own opportunities, and needs to make something out of nothing. If he is hurt, he should be healing up and letting Betts carry the ball more.

[skinzrule]

Portis is going downhill. The game has passed Gibbs by. This once glorious franchise sucks right now and has been bad ever since Danny came to town. JKC would be ashamed the way Danny has completely sold out this team in the name of $$.

[welch]

Maybe we should take a few days off before telling Gibbs, or Snyder, how to fix the team?

Incidentally, it was our own beloved George Allen who called timeout with about 30 seconds to play, ball on the Giants 1, to let Larry Brown score a TD on the next play...while already leading. 1972 season.

So, who's up next? The Jets?

[CanesSkins26]

But if they do get open he misses them? Badly? Sorry, I like Campbell and all, but his play is not at a high level.

Not entirely accurate. Against Detroit JC completed 79.3 of his passes. Against Green Bay the number dropped to 56.8% but that was with 5 drops. Without the drops that number would've been 70.2%. Against Arizona he completed 66.7%. Those numbers are very good and show that JC's accuracy is steadily improving. Even in today's poor outing he completed nearly 60% of his passes. So his accuracy hasn't really been an issue. In fact, in the month of October JC is 10th in the NFL in completion % and 5th in the NFC in qb rating (87.4). Like the rest of the team he had his struggles today but coming into today's game he has been playing well for the last month.

[HEROHAMO]

The whole team stunk today period!

[Fios]

The whole team stunk today period!

That's an exclamation point

[Snout]

The Pats may be on a track to break reords but when you run up the score just to humiliate, teams never forget. All teams get their turn in a cycle. The Pats are going to be down one of these years and you can bet that the game films from this year will be played over and over and over again. 4th and 1 to stack on points is just rubbing it in. I look forward to the day the Pats are down.

I don't think revenge will put an end to it. Instead, one day Brady will suffer a season-ending 4Q injury when the Pats are leading by 30+ points. Then, and only then, the vultures will descend on Belichick with shrieks of "You idiot, what were you thinking?" And in hindsight, they will be right.

[GSPODS]

The whole team stunk today period!

Correction: The whole team stunk today like a period.

[Snout]

The whole team stunk today period!

I would give the game ball to Yoder. He seemed to have a decent day. 3 receptions for 23 yards. Go Yoder!

[dlc]

Bellicheck has already told us weeks in advance how he plans to beat almost everyone in the league. Focus on stopping what the other team wants to do. Not stopping the run, or establishing the run as Gibbs believes. No wonder why we got destroyed by them.

Our whole philosophy is to execute to perfection even though they know exactly what we're going to do. When you play a team that is more talented than you AND they know exactly what you're going to do, how can you ever beat them???

Also, it was obvious from previous comments from the team, even after wins, they don't believe in the team's coaching philosophy. How can you when it has resulted in games against teams the you are more talented than seem to always be competitive against you? That's where the "win is a win" attitude is such BS.

[VRIEL1]

But if they do get open he misses them? Badly? Sorry, I like Campbell and all, but his play is not at a high level.

Not entirely accurate. Against Detroit JC completed 79.3 of his passes. Against Green Bay the number dropped to 56.8% but that was with 5 drops. Without the drops that number would've been 70.2%. Against Arizona he completed 66.7%. Those numbers are very good and show that JC's accuracy is steadily improving. Even in today's poor outing he completed nearly 60% of his passes. So his accuracy hasn't really been an issue. In fact, in the month of October JC is 10th in the NFL in completion % and 5th in the NFC in qb rating (87.4). Like the rest of the team he had his struggles today but coming into today's game he has been playing well for the last month.

You know....stats mean nothing. Would you rather have a QB with a 100% passing Accuracy and lose the game or a QB with 50% accuracy and win the game. for those of us who remember Gibbs1 his QB's accuracy was I belive in the 50's. This was always the talk of the town how they were only 50 something % accurate. while other QB's were in the 70's and 80's. It's nice as a personal stat for him. but as a team it means zippo. If he only throws 4 passes and they are all caught then he's 100%, but if he throws 4 balls and 2 are caught then he's 50% right. or rather it drags his current % down. I would rather he threw 50 times and only 25 were caught.
I hate to be angry about this loss because I already had this one as a loss but I also expected us to have a better show then Dallas did. I do belive they atleast scored more then we did. We bring Gibbs back and the 1st year we tanked. Then the second year we did alright. I assume it was the blocking scheme. Then we pay what 5 mil for Al Saunders and Gibbs third year we Tanked. This is the second year with Al and every team he has coached has spanked other teams with points in their second year. What is our problem? Waite I know....all the injuries. or maybe its the lack of talent at WR. lol. Is the OL to big and clumbsy to run Al's fast offense? Is the OL to small to run the Gibbs power run? Maybe they should not be given time off after game until they can get the scheme down. Our OL can't create a whole for the RB's and we are a power run first team. (apparently not). and our WR's keep dropping balls, missing the route, or letting the balls get intercepted. Our only bright spot on Offense is Randel El and ey. Also whoever told the Defense to not tackle and only try to knock NE head off should be fired.

[RayNAustin]

This isn't about injuries and excuses any longer. This is about failure. This is about unacceptable results......consistently unacceptable results.

This year against Teams with winning records, the Redskins are 1-3, with the 1 win against the Lions.

It took overtime to eak out a win against 0-8 Miami in the home opener. We should have lost the Cards game, and if memory serves, Philly was close to a late comeback. In all honesty, the Redskins could easily be 1-6 right now. And this is nothing new since Gibbs return.

Since 2004, the Redskins are 25-30 under Gibbs........6-11 in the preseason. This from the highest paid all star coaching staff with the highest player salaries in the NFL?

We have a coaching staff that can't....after 3 1/2 seasons manage the clock........a team that spikes the ball from inside the 3 yard line with 50 seconds on the clock and the game on the line.....a team that has proven to be incapable of correcting their obvious problems....a team that consistently shoots itself in the foot time and again and allows everyone to hang around with opportunities to win in the 4Q.

This year is a repeat of 2004 where the defense played well and needed only marginal production from the offense to be winners....production that never came through.

In it's fourth season under Gibbs, the Redskins offense is just about as bad as 2004. In 2004 the Redskins were 31st in the NFL in scoring with an average of 15 points per game. This year (if you discount the Lions game) we are averaging 15.8 points or 18.4 counting the Lions game. This is worse than 2005 and 2006 ...... in other words, we are moving in the wrong direction when the NFL is showing an increase in scoring with the top teams doubling our production on offense.

Prior to the Pats game, Gibbs pre and post game comments are the same, expecting the game to be hard fought and go down to the wire. For the most part, the Redskins have lived up to those less than stellar expectations. This week all we heard from Gibbs was how tough the Pats were.....no weaknesses......anybody got a game plan....if they do leave it for us? Gibbs might as well have said "hey, were going to NE because we have to.....hopefully we can make it out of there alive". Gibbs overall tone was almost conceding defeat before they got on the plane. And sure enough, we got humiliated on both sides of the ball right from the start.

Sure, the Pats are playing awesome right now. But that's no excuse for being whipped like a redheaded step child. Being unable to post even mild resistance to the Pats in ANY manner shape or form is absolutely inexcusable and proves that this team is poorly managed, poorly coached, and totally unprepared for the opposition week in and week out.

Our putrid stinking up the second half of most games shows that the opposing coaching staffs simply out coach the Redskins all star cast of coaches, and a major overhaul is needed in philosophy.

Each year we hear that we just need a couple more players....a little more depth.....and we go and get guys like BL and pay them huge money to do nothing.

Does the coaching staff not have responsibility for choosing the personnel also?

If the Danny had any sense, he'd be naming Williams the interim head coach, and talking to Cower about ending his retirement.

[GSPODS]