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New England = Overrated Offense, Redskins = Great Matchup

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I did some indepth research and I came to the conclusion that the New England offense is VASTLY overrated. New England has played BY FAR the easiest schedule in the NFL so far and they play in what might be the worst division in NFL history. Now, I am not saying they are not a good team, indeed they probably are the best team in the NFL right now, but the stats they have been putting up so far are greatly inflated. Now this is going to get quite in depth but I found a lot of interesting things out (like the fact that the Baltimore Ravens are BY FAR the worst team in the NFL with a winning record and its not even close).

First of all, who has New England beaten? The Jets (1-6), the Chargers (3-3), the Bills (2-4), the Bengals (2-4), the Browns (3-3), The Cowboys (6-1), and the Dolphins (0-7). As you can see they have only played one team with a winning record, that being the Cowboys. The record of the teams they have played is a combined 17-28 (a truly pathetic .378 winning percentage). Remove the Cowboys from that equation and it gets even worse, the other six teams have a combined record of 11-27 (.289).

Now let's look at each team's victories in detail. The Dolphins are probably the worst team in football and have yet to win. The Jets are almost as bad having only beaten the Dolphins. The Bills and Bengals are just as pathetic having only beaten the Jets and Ravens each (you will start to see why I say the Ravens are total crap). The Browns are also awful despite a 3-3 record as they have only beaten the Bengals, Ravens and Dolphins. Even the Cowboys victories are not that impressive when you see that three of their wins are against the Dolphins, Rams (0-7), and Bills. When you put this all together it becomes apparent that the seven teams that the Patriots have dismantled this year have a grand total of six victories against teams other than the Dolphins, Bills, Jets, Ravens, Bengals, and Rams. Wow, truly pathetic stuff. If these teams didn't get to play each other so much the Jets, Dolphins, Bills, Bengals, and Browns could all EASILY be winless.

So, lets look at exactly what makes these teams so bad! The answer is easy, DEFENSE! As it stands right now, through seven weeks of the season, the Dolphins, Jets, Bengals, Bills, and Browns are FIVE OF THE SIX WORST DEFENSES IN THE NFL!!!! Currently, the defensive rankings go like this:

Rank Team YPG

27. Dolphins 365.1
28. Jets 377.7
29. Bengals 384.7

30. Lions 385.8
31. Bills 402.5
32. Browns 413.0


A-ha! But you say obviously those teams will all be ranked in the last six in defense, they had to play the Patriots! But that is not the case at all. I looked up the individual game stats from every game the Pats had played this year and removed the offensive numbers they had put up against these five very bad teams and then recalculated the Yds/Game they conceded to the other five or six teams they played (five if they have had a bye so far). What I found out was amazing, controlling for the Patriots made viryually no differnce (in fact the Browns stats actually GOT WORSE as they have been giving up 413 yds/game but only conceded 412 to the Pats). After this calibration the worst NFL defenses look like this:

Rank Team YPG

25. Dolphins 352.2
26. Bears 357.4 (see what happens when you sign Archuletta! ;) )
27. Vikings 359.0
28. Jets 368.8
29. Bengals 380.8

30. Lions 385.8
31. Bills 386.0
32. Browns 413.2


As you can see, only the Dolphins stats improved significantly. After removing the yards that the Pats put on these teams from the equation the Pats have only played FOUR OF THE FIVE WORST DEFENSES in the NFL!!!! (or five of the eight worst).

Now don't get me wrong, I truly believe that Brady is the best QB in the game but it puts his numbers into perspective. He has had a dream schedule so far. Any NFL QB would kill for that.

So now lets look at the Redskins. First lets start with some stats. The Redskins schedule so far has been infinately more difficult than the Pats'. The overall record of their opponents is 19-20 (.487). However, remove the Dolphins pathetis record from that and their other opponents are a combined 19-13 (.594). Despite that they are still 3-2 against those teams (4-2 overall) and many outside observers believe they should be 5-1 or 6-0 right now.

And why are the Redskins winning? Because of their stellar defense. There is no doubt that they have the best pass defense in the NFL! On defense, they rank first in QB Rating and Yards per Attempt, second in Passing TDs allowed and Opposing QB Completion Percentage, third in points conceded, and fourth in total yards per game (first in the NFC). (By the way, Tom Brady leads QBs in EACH of those categories - talk about a fantastic matchup!)

That's all well and good but how good are the passing offenses they have played? The answer is EXCELLENT. Every team they have played this year has a passing offense ranked in the top half of the NFL in passing yards per game! Green Bay is ranked 2nd, Detroit is seventh, Arizona is 9th, Philadelphia is 14th, Miami is 15th, and the Giants are 16th. Despite playing all of these very good passing attacks only once this year has the Redskins defense given up more than 220 yds passing!!! Even in that game they only gave up 280.

So essentially, this weekend you have the NFL's best passing offense (which has achieved that title by playing the league's WORST defenses) going up against the best pass defense in the NFL (which has achieved that by playing the NFL's BEST passing attacks). That is a fact! Now, in my opinion, the Redskins defense has EARNED its spot while the Pats offense has yet to face a decent rival. This is just an amazing matchup!

What's more you have the NFL's best WR going up against the NFL's best coverage defender. Sean Taylor leads the NFL in Ints and is second in passes defended. Randy Moss leads the league in TDs and yards. We also all know that Randy Moss is Sean Taylor's bitch as well. In two previous meetings Moss has just 8 receptions for 106 yds and a TD when facing a Sean Taylor defense and Gregg Williams has often made Taylor guard Moss one-on-one. What's more, from watching highlights it is clear that Brady's favorite play this year is to just heave the ball up to Moss and make him go get it. He will not even attempt that this week as Taylor is one of the few DBs big enough and athletic ebough to jump with Moss, if the Green Bay game showed anything it was that such a strategy will most likely recult in 2-3 interceptions for Sean Taylor.

So will the Redskins win? I wouldn't bet on it, after all we still need to score, our o-line is completely depleted and Belichek is a defensive mastermind. However, this game is BY NO MEANS A MISMATCH! If Rabach and Thomas were healthy this would be another story but they aren't. The reason I went to this effort is to show just what a good matchup this is and to give you guys some ammo to throw around if people start telling you the Redskins have no shot. They sure as heck do, they match up better against the Pats than any team in the NFL! When people try to tell you how awesome the Pats are explain to them just how weak their schedule has been and when people say this will be a blowout show that the Redskins have easily the best passing defense in the NFL.

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Some more stats to prove that the Patriots offense is byproduct of the teams they've played. Just look at Derek Anderson, Qb for the Cleveland Browns.

In his first NFL start in Week 2 he played Cincinnati. Anderson threw for 328 yds, 5 TDs, and a 121.0 passer rating. Two weeks later the Pats Played the Bengals and Brady could only manage 231 passing yards, 3 TDs, and a 115.0 passer rating. Cleveland put up 51 against the Bengals, New England could only manage 34!

Then in week 6 Anderson went against Miami. His stats, a 73% completion percentage, 3 TDs, a 142.5 passer rating, and 41 points scored. The next week New England played Miami and Brady had an 84% completion average, 6 TDs, and a 158 passer rating, scoring 49 points.

Is it just me or against the same competition are Tom Brady and Derek Anderson's stats identical!? Anderson played a little better against Cincinatti and Brady played a little better against Miami. This just proves how bad the defenses that the Pats have been playing really are! Please, a guy starting for the first time in his career is just as good!

The other four games this year Anderson has had to play four very good defenses in Pittsburg, Oakland, Baltimore, and New England while Brady has played nobody. Maybe if Anderson had a chance to play the Bills, Jets, etc... as well he would be setting the records right now!?!? People are saying Brady's stats look like a college QB. Maybe that's because he's playing college calibre defenses.
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Love the reasoning. I too think our defence will give them a great game, its only problem is it will be asked to do to much. The Offence is awful, its down to the line I know that. Injuries are killing are rushing game.

The receivers are ordinary at best, they seem to drop more than they catch and this leaves the opposing defences a chance to take Cooley out of the game.

For mine I'd open it up offensively, we get beat by 30 then we join every other team who have played them. We go for it and take some shots we may be able to take the pressure off the D.

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I agree. We have nothing to lose, really. The NFL fanbase has already written the 'skins off in this game. It cannot hurt anything to pull out all the stops. No holds barred. Direct snaps, WR option(ARE), a bootleg or two. If we've got 17 pts against us, the worst thing we can do is prove all the doubters right...
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Very nice Blog. I think after some fans read that, it will give them some confidence. Time for the Skins to stand up and get recognized.
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I don't buy it. The Redskins are 4-2, and who have we beaten?

The 0-7 Dolphins -- barely, in overtime
The 2-4 last place Eagles
The 4-2 Lions, a team that never wins on the road
The 3-4 Cardinals, playing with a one armed backup QB

Plus we endured a second half collapse to the Giants when the Giants were on the verge of their season imploding.

Bottom line is that the statistics mean nothing. New England is crushing everyone, and the Redskins are struggling to beat weak teams. It will take a tremendous performance to beat New England, one that must far surpass any of our performances so far.
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:lol: :lol:

Tom Brady and Randy Moss = overrated? If they're overrated. What are we?
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Anyone who thinks the Patriots offense is "over rated", clearly needs a new crack dealer.

Anyone who stuck in NE and force fed a diet of Pats video, knows that this is a killer offense.

If our D is on the field for more than half the game, we are in deep trouble.

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Well, it all comes down to Sunday at 1, now, doesn't it?
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VetSkinsFan wrote:Well, it all comes down to Sunday at 1, now, doesn't it?
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Countertrey wrote:Anyone who thinks the Patriots offense is "over rated", clearly needs a new crack dealer.

Anyone who stuck in NE and force fed a diet of Pats video, knows that this is a killer offense.

If our D is on the field for more than half the game, we are in deep trouble.

Help from our O is manditory.


All good points. The reason the Pats' opponents (3 playoff teams from last year, BTW) are doing so poorly is that NE gave them such a beatdown, they're still recovering. They're clearly the team to beat this year.
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They are overrated. Great stuff hkHog. Thanks for sharing.

Brady has 27 TDs 2 INTs and a rating of 139.7

Aainst the Lions. (as listed above) is 30th in pass deffense. Jason put up 248 yards, 2 TD , 0 INTs, and a rating of 125.3

Their is 2 points to that.

1) That had we played these worst passing deffenses like the Pats, Jason Campbell would be the 2nd ranked QB in the NFL.

2) He put up those numbers because, A) Gibbs planed on not letting the Lions come back, so Campbell was allowed to throw more. But he still put up those numbers in a run first Offense, which makes those numbers even better when compaired to to the number Brady would put up. True , Brady would have put up maybe a couple of more TDs but they pass more than we do. Plus, if you look at the last game with Pats , when he was jus throwing it up to Moss, Dude he was soooo, jus playing around. The had such a lead, it didn't matter if it got intersepeted or not. He most likely would not do that if the game was close, maybe if they were behind. but he was just playing around and testing Moss IMO.

If our Oline can get it together JC could have a chance a doing some things. Plus, add in the fact that Gibbs Stated that he though their play calling was too conservative in our last game, I think the play calling is going to more agrresive in this game.

Not saying we will stomp them, just saying we do have a shot. And one mor thing THE PATS ARE OVERRATED!
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a 7-0 team that has won more games (not to mention superbowls) than any team in the league the last seven years, and has kept together a core group of players, a great qb, and the list goes on, is overrated.

and 2+2=5.

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i too am tired of hearing about them, but jealousy will get you nowhere.
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BnGhog wrote:just saying we do have a shot.

I agree 200%

BnGhog wrote:And one mor thing THE PATS ARE OVERRATED!


Sorry but this is just haterade. Brady is on pace to crush records, the team is setting league records. C'mon on now, put the haterade back in the fridge. Green isn't a good color. If we were undefeated like the Pats are and some Pats fan came here and said we were overrated you guys would poop a brick.

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hailskins666 wrote:a 7-0 team that has won more games (not to mention superbowls) than any team in the league the last seven years, and has kept together a core group of players, a great qb, and the list goes on, is overrated.

and 2+2=5.

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i too am tired of hearing about them, but jealousy will get you nowhere.


You make an excellent point but I think the Colts are a better team this season on defense. I guess we'll if I'm wrong or right in two weeks.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:
BnGhog wrote:just saying we do have a shot.

I agree 200%

BnGhog wrote:And one mor thing THE PATS ARE OVERRATED!


Sorry but this is just haterade. Brady is on pace to crush records, the team is setting league records. C'mon on now, put the haterade back in the fridge. Green isn't a good color. If we were undefeated like the Pats are and some Pats fan came here and said we were overrated you guys would poop a brick.

Give credit where it's due.


I do, I give them credit. They are a good team, and Brady is one of the best, I didn't say he wasn't.

BUUUUUT, he's not that much better then saaaay, Peyton.


He has 11 TDs and a rating of 103.5 Thats all Im saying. Brady's not that much better than Peyton.

And you guys can :roll: all you want. When I say that. It true that Brady has 27 TD's.

They have played totally different games and different teams and each game with differently. So you can't sit here and say, "Brady had 27 and Manning only had 11". I mean thats true and you say it all you want and do the :roll: all you want. But on stats alone you can't use just that to say Brady's better. He's in a different system, with different coaches.

Overrated for sure. Are they a good team "yes". Id say they playing right uptheir with the Colts. But still overrated. Every analizer and every one in football right now are crowning the SB champs, sure they can get their. Most are even calling them the best ever. They could be one of the best ever teams. Im not saying they are not.

Im saying they are not unbeatable like everyone makes them out to be. They are Miles past everyone else. They are 6-0 because in part, they have an easy schedule. Could they be 6-0 if the played harder teams " yes" i beleive they could be. Because they are good. But would Brady be at 27 TD if the had a tougher schedule. " hell no".

That what im saying. :nana:
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Who cares about the Colts and Peyton Manning. I'm not debating who is truly better between the two.

I'm merely saying that they Pats aren't overrated and it just looks like jealously 99% of the people who say it.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Who cares about the Colts and Peyton Manning. I'm not debating who is truly better between the two.

I'm merely saying that they Pats aren't overrated and it just looks like jealously 99% of the people who say it.


It's hard to over-rate any team that is undefeated. Both the Patriots and the Colts are. The Redskins are not. But regardless of how good the Patriots and the Colts are, a team has to come out of the NFC. The Redskins could be that team.
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GSPODS wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Who cares about the Colts and Peyton Manning. I'm not debating who is truly better between the two.

I'm merely saying that they Pats aren't overrated and it just looks like jealously 99% of the people who say it.


It's hard to over-rate any team that is undefeated. Both the Patriots and the Colts are. The Redskins are not. But regardless of how good the Patriots and the Colts are, a team has to come out of the NFC. The Redskins could be that team.


we very well could be that team.. we have a tough road ahead of us though.. with the Giants and Cowboys playing the way they are we need to really step it up.. we never do well in the Meadowlands and with the Giants stealing the game from us at home we are going to have a tough go of it needing to win there and needing to win in Dallas.. the two places we always play like absolute crap
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Ok.

So, you don't think he's overrated. Thats cool. I think he is.

Everyone wants to crown him a football god because he threw 6 TDs in a game.

I guess you're right their with them, and thats fine by me.

But if its true what they say and it don't matter who they play. Going by that and his overrated status, he should be have no problem doing it againt the Skins.

I for one dont think he can put up 6 TDs agianst us. Doing it against Miami is something different, IMO. But everyone is like WOW.

You don't want to compair him to Manning and the Colts. How you expect to debate this with out them comming up at some point? I'm saying he's not a football god, that all. Your acting like im saying he sucks. That would be jealousy and hatred if I were saying that but Im not.

Jealousy hmm, ok maybe 20/10/70. 20% jealous, 10%hatred,70% just my opinion. So whatever. I didn't know you had a man crush. Like I said, I didn't say he sucks or anything.
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I think the whole point of this thread was to show tis game isn't as bleak looking as some may have thought it was. Rallying the troops so to speak (at least that is how I took it). I don't think new england is overrated because 27 tds to 2 ints speaks for itself. If Brady throws 4+ touchdowns against us, I will say they are who we thought they were and we let them off the hook :o
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Pats are not overated. They have just played around with their competition. It is like watching a 7 on 7 passing drill.

That said they can be run on.

We will come out throwing and then run the ball. S Moss will have a huge game (because I just released him from my FF team and he's due)!

Brady will turn the ball over.

We WILL win. :celebrate:

And then lose to the J. E. T. S., Jets, jets, Jets! :puke:
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skinsfan#33 wrote:Pats are not overated. They have just played around with their competition. It is like watching a 7 on 7 passing drill.

That said they can be run on.

We will come out throwing and then run the ball. S Moss will have a huge game (because I just released him from my FF team and he's due)!

Brady will turn the ball over.

We WILL win. :celebrate:

And then lose to the J. E. T. S., Jets, jets, Jets! :puke:


That Miami game looked more like a seven on zero passing drill.
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Part of me has a little suspicion that the Skins will win the game but I think it is just wishful thinking. We barely beat the Dolphins and Cardnals this year. Clinton is not effective anymore, are WR are aweful. I hope it is close and then anything can happen.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:Pats are not overated. They have just played around with their competition. It is like watching a 7 on 7 passing drill.

That said they can be run on.

We will come out throwing and then run the ball. S Moss will have a huge game (because I just released him from my FF team and he's due)!

Brady will turn the ball over.

We WILL win. :celebrate:

And then lose to the J. E. T. S., Jets, jets, Jets! :puke:



Now thats Redskins football at its finest.
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cleg wrote:Part of me has a little suspicion that the Skins will win the game but I think it is just wishful thinking. We barely beat the Dolphins and Cardnals this year. Clinton is not effective anymore, are WR are aweful. I hope it is close and then anything can happen.


The Skins for some reason play up and down to their competition!

NE is due for a bad game.
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