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GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:22 pm

BnGhog wrote:
1niksder wrote:Where's TRO

Thats the second time I've seen that statement and I still don't know who or what the heck TRO is.

Perhaps that is the Unredeemed One?

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:39 pm

GSPODS wrote:
BnGhog wrote:
1niksder wrote:Where's TRO

Thats the second time I've seen that statement and I still don't know who or what the heck TRO is.

Perhaps that is the Unredeemed One?

Perhaps, but how do you get T R O out of Redeemed?

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:42 pm

BnGhog wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
BnGhog wrote:
1niksder wrote:Where's TRO

Thats the second time I've seen that statement and I still don't know who or what the heck TRO is.

Perhaps that is the Unredeemed One?

Perhaps, but how do you get T R O out of Redeemed?

The Redeemed One

Only if I have any clue what I'm talking abut here.

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:00 pm

Thanks! You have to spell it out for me sometimes. :lol:

GSPODS · Post by **GSPODS** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:02 pm

BnGhog wrote:](*,)

Thanks! You have to spell it out for me sometimes.

I don't even know if I have the first clue what I'm talking about.
I'm only guessing by process of elimination.
Soon I may be banging my head against the closest wall when I find out how wrong I am.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:23 pm

RedeemedSkin calls himself TRO (The Redeemed One), and is an unabashedly Mark Brunell lover.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:57 pm

JSPB22 wrote:RedeemedSkin calls himself TRO (The Redeemed One), and is an unabashedly Mark Brunell lover.

I'm still not 100% convinced that Redeemed isn't actually Mark Brunell.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:09 pm

Paralis wrote:
PulpExposure wrote:But maybe I'm just uneducated. Teach me. With facts.

Ben Roethlisberger? 2004? I mean, come on. It's not ancient history.

And Dan Marino. But you could argue Big Ben's success was because they relied on the running game and only asked him to throw about 6 passes a game.

But besides Ben and Marino, who else? Everyone else has struggled as a rookie QB.

Besides, it's not like the success or failure of teams starting rookie quarterbacks has that much to do with the QBs themselves. It's that teams starting rookie quarterbacks are nearly always bad teams. The 1998 Colts didn't go 3-13 because they started Peyton Manning on day 1; they went 3-13 because they were one of the worst teams in football the year before and their defense didn't improve.

That's true, but you don't think Manning throwing 28 ints contributed to that somewhat?

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:35 pm

But besides Ben and Marino, who else? Everyone else has struggled as a rookie QB.

A quick search revealed...

Vince Young did well as a rookie. Culpepper had a huge year in his first year as a starter (his second NFL season). Carson Palmer was solid in his first action (2nd year). Mark Bulger had a qb rating of 101.5 in his rookie season. McNabb had some problems in his rookie season (started half the games) but did well in his second year in the league. Brady was very effective in his first game action (second NFL season). These are just the names that I came up with in a 5 minute search. Young qb's are much more prepared for the NFL these days with more college teams running pro style offenses.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:08 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
But besides Ben and Marino, who else? Everyone else has struggled as a rookie QB.

A quick search revealed...

Vince Young did well as a rookie. Culpepper had a huge year in his first year as a starter (his second NFL season). Carson Palmer was solid in his first action (2nd year). Mark Bulger had a qb rating of 101.5 in his rookie season. McNabb had some problems in his rookie season (started half the games) but did well in his second year in the league. Brady was very effective in his first game action (second NFL season). These are just the names that I came up with in a 5 minute search. Young qb's are much more prepared for the NFL these days with more college teams running pro style offenses.

2nd year players are not rookies.

jmooney · Post by **jmooney** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:01 am

The system was in so much turmoil here, that it could have been detrimental to his development. Not saying theres a ton of stability now but, its a better situation. Im not sure that Al Saunders offense lends itself to QB development as there has always been a vetran running his system(Trent Green , Kurt Warner ect.) . That being said, Jason is doing a fine job of managing these games for us, to this point it hasnt been his play or lack thereof that has contributed to our 2 losses. His shortcomings were very appearant last year and he has worked hard to overcome those. Until the rest of the offense steps up, we wont get to see a display of the true talent he is. Lets just hope he can survive thru the injuries to the O-line for that to happen.

jmooney · Post by **jmooney** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:03 am

He simply isnt far enough along yet to make up for other peoples mistakes, but he does make up for his own rather nicely.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:54 pm

jmooney wrote:That being said, Jason is doing a fine job of managing these games for us, to this point it hasnt been his play or lack thereof that has contributed to our 2 losses.

I think he's played exceptionally well for how much playing time he has gotten so far in his career, but he has overthrown a couple of balls that would have won us those two games.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:03 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
But besides Ben and Marino, who else? Everyone else has struggled as a rookie QB.

A quick search revealed...

Vince Young did well as a rookie.

12 TDs and 13 INTs, 51.5% completion is doing well?

Culpepper had a huge year in his first year as a starter (his second NFL season).

Not a rookie.

Carson Palmer was solid in his first action (2nd year).

Not a rookie.

Mark Bulger had a qb rating of 101.5 in his rookie season.

You just looked at pro-football-reference.com. If you had known a little more, you'd have realized he didn't play as a rookie in 2001. Drafted by the Saints in the 2000 NFL draft.

Not a rookie.

He started McNabb had some problems in his rookie season (started half the games) but did well in his second year in the league. Brady was very effective in his first game action (second NFL season). [/uqote]

Not rookies.
These are just the names that I came up with in a 5 minute search.

You need to do a better job of searching within the indicated parameters.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:08 pm

12 TDs and 13 INTs, 51.5% completion is doing well?

Actually he scored 19 td's that season. Rushing stats do count. He also went 8-5 as a starter and basically turned that team around single handedly. He also won the NFL's Rookie of the year award. So yea I think that he did very well.

I used the other examples to show that young qb's (all started in their first or second full seasons) could do well in the NFL.

But if you want more rookies that did well here you go...

Jay Cutler - 9 td's, 5 int's, 59.1% completion

Shaun King - Reached the NFC Championship game as a rookie; 7 td's. 4 int's, 82.4 qb rating, 61% completion

Tim Couch - His rookie year was probably his best. 16 td's, 14 turnovers, 2447 yards

Charlier Batch - 11 td's, 6 int's, 83.5 qb rating

Obviously rookie qb's having an impact is rare, but Big Ben and Marino are not the only ones that have done it.