Redskins vs Giants post game discussion...

[El Mexican]

Typical Redskins...

If there ever was a "trap" game, this was it.

I don´t know what the heck happened to our incredibly expensive coaching staff. With all the collective experience these men have, you`d figure they can control a second half of football.

Yes, the playcalling was bland, but the execution was painful. Simply a terrible effort by a lot of key players and stupid penalties.

We have an old saying here in Mexico: "caballo que alcanza gana". Literally it means "the horse that catches up wins".

Right now though, this team, from coaches to players, should be feeling like asses.

[dmwc]

Also did you see the bench during the WHOLE 3rd Q and some of the 4th... We could have won that game....

GAME BALL GOES TO ROCK CARTWRIGHT!!! FOR GIVING US GOOD Field Postion!!

SIDE NOTE: JC looked good getting the O down there to the goal line... He is the Future at WAS!!!

[aswas71788]

It seems to me that this whole forum, or at least much of it, is blaming Portis and Betts. Everyone is so in love with Campbell that they seem to overlook his contributions to this fiasco. He was just as bad as the rest. He over threw receivers, one (for the 3rd week in a row) that was wide open and would have surely scored. So, blame it all on Campbell? No. This was a collective failure of Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams. The 2nd half was so pathetic in offensive/defensive play calling that they should apologize to the team and the fans. This is not a get rid of Gibbs, Saunders and Williams thought either. Just place the blame where it really belongs....the coaches.

[Chris Luva Luva]

It seems to me that this whole forum, or at least much of it, is blaming Portis and Betts. Everyone is so in love with Campbell that they seem to overlook his contributions to this fiasco. He was just as bad as the rest. He over threw receivers, one (for the 3rd week in a row) that was wide open and would have surely scored. So, blame it all on Campbell? No. This was a collective failure of Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams. The 2nd half was so pathetic in offensive/defensive play calling that they should apologize to the team and the fans. This is not a get rid of Gibbs, Saunders and Williams thought either. Just place the blame where it really belongs....the coaches.

I think most of us agree with you, Gibbs and/or Saunders blew it.

[Justice Hog]

Just got home and I really don't feel like reading 17 pages of posts. Sorry.

Here are my thoughts.

The Skins went into halftime after playing a solid half of football on both offense and on defense.

The 2nd half the team did not show up at all. Did they already think they had the game won or something? What the hell, man?

In the 2nd half, the offense stunk. The defense stunk. We let the Giants back into the game.

And then....

And then!!!!!

We have 1st and goal on the 1 yard line and can't get a TD?

Why didn't they just pound Mike Sellers up the middle? For CHRISSAKESS!!

This is a very tough loss to swallow, folks!

[tribeofjudah]

This should be our inspiration going into a bye week. I hope this charges the players going into Detroit because we know they can light up a score board.

Right, and we're not going into DEt., they're coming to us..... Hope it make a difference.

[LOSTHOG]

Defense... where to begin??!!?? I can't even BEGIN to understand what happened after halftime, but it CANNOT happen again. If it happens, we LOSE, no question.

Please.

How many yards did the offense have prior to the attempted comeback? 30 or so yards? How many three and outs did we have?

How many interceptions did we have today? 2. Didn't we get a fumble also? We didn't even score off of Seans interception.

Everything leads back to the offense. Dropped passes, no rushing yards, dinking and dunking. Maybe Joe thought Mark Brunell was at helm.

our defense never got a chance to catch their breath in the second half. As soon as they made it to the bench to sit down we were punting again. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I imagine the Giants had the ball 20-22 minutes in the 2nd half.

[LOSTHOG]

please explain to me why clinton portis kept getting the ball? Is he playing hurt or does he just suck this year? How many fumbles and near fumbles did he have today? did he break any freakin' tackles?

If you need this explained to you then you are pretty hopeless as a Redskins fan. Portis got the majority of the carries because he is our best running back. Yes he fumbled once. Every running back fumbles, it's part of the game. CP also scored a td today. And yes he was banged up. He hurt his ankle in the 3rd quarter when Antonio Pierce fell on top of it. A running back also can't make holes open up magically. Our oline did a very poor job of run blocking the entire night. Who else did you want to get the ball? Ladell Betts who was averaging 1.3 yards per carry during the game?

Exactly, Portis was averaging 5 a carry. Besides, he does far more than just run the ball. Portis has nothing to prove to Redskin Don or any of us. He is a gamer and gives 100% on every play.

[LOSTHOG]

about Betts vs Portis is Portis had a bad game today... I think anyone can agree on that... I say with some confidence that Betts did a better than decent job backstopping Portis last year when he got hurt... Given that Portis stunk today and he was hurt, why not put Betts in?

How exactly did Portis "stink"? He had 97 all-purpose yards and averaged 4.3 yards per carry and he scored a td also. That is hardly stinking. He also blocked really well too. Yes he fumbled, but every running back fumbles. Portis very rarely fumbles (just look at his career stats) so I'm not going to throw the guy under the bus for one fumble that didn't even lead to the other team scoring any points.

Just from watching Portis through the years here and with Denver, he needs more carries. With this rotation, neither back really gets a feel for the game. Portis needs 20-24 a game and Betts the rest. If its 10 fine, 15 great.

[HOGETTE MX]

I have pointed out for the last 2 weeks that while we have ended up with a W after each game that was actually more because of how badly the other teams have played against us than because we deserved to win - today the Giants ended up with a W because we lost not because they won - to me there is a difference - we are still 2-1 after 3 games but we really need this QB to start being able to make the plays that we were all told he worked so hard on doing this past six months

the point is we are 2-1 but we are still not a good football team

very disapointing loss to a really terrible football team - like I said they did not beat us, we lost!

In this case you can't blame Jason Campbell or our defense. Blame our offense as a whole. They are a pathetic fallacy. Ultimately I push the blame onto our owner Dan Snyder. Year after year the Redskins continue to be the quintessential joke of the league. Ever since he bought this franchise it has been nothing but FAILURE. Things will start getting better for the Redskins when Snyder decides to sell the franchise to a REAL OWNER. Until then you can continue to watch the Redskins stumble and falter, game after game, month after month and season after season. At the same time, pray real hard for the strength to stomach it.

[ike075]

Why did we lose? Why have the past few years been so painful? I have finally solved this riddle….with all due respect to coach Joe Gibbs but…HE HAS BECOME A CHICKEN!!!!!!!!

Look over all the plays over the past couple of years and why Brunnell was kept in as QB for sooooo long instead of Ramsey. Time and time again he chooses the play that will least likely have the potential in a turn over. (oh and those that might want to argue the throws to moss down field…..a couple of shots down field does not make an aggressive and attacking offence)

No convinced?

The first game that we won by a field goal….why did they not try one more running play instead of such a long field goal? After the game coach Gobbles admitted that the field goal was the safest option. If we “risked” getting a little closer we could have turned over the ball but at least a field goal the chances were more that we would just miss.

Last week we almost attempted a field goal instead of the obvious passing playing because Coach Gobbles felt a field goal and getting 3 points were safer then the risk of turning over the ball? My 2yr old son even turned to me and said “Dad, why don’t they at least try one or two throwing plays into the endzone first”

Finally Coach Gobbles this week decided to run conservative the entire second half until we were down by 7 and forced to be aggressive to have a shot at winning. Coach Gobbles does understand the concept of stabbing the dagger into the heart of the other team and as they say in Mortal Kombat “Finish THEM!”

The one thing we don’t truly know is if it is Gibbs or Saunders that is doing the final play calling but if it is Saunders then it is Coach Gibbs responsibility to tell Saunders to stop being such a chicken.

And those that want to blame the D….3 in a row 3 and outs……best way to keep a team from scoring is generally KEEPING THEM OFF THE FIELD!!!!! After a whopping 34 yards the entire second half by the offence….I imagine the D was a tad tired.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!


Ikester

[tribeofjudah]

All the Hognosticator were wrong, the pundits were wrong, the NFL analyst and experts were wrong........ Vegas was wrong.....

What a let down.......

[crazyhorse1]

Again I will ask, what happened to Rocky?

Rocky seemed to be down field an awful lot today, as if they were using him primarily to help stop Manning's passes. Maybe that's why that no name back looked all pro. Then again, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.

I'm still too staggered by the play calling on both offense and defense. Actually, I sick in the stomach too, not just staggered. I spent the whole second half in amazed rage. Didn't our geniuses realize that Sellers might have been of some use as a runner when they we had first and goal on the two. They might even have thought of ey, even Portis.

I think they did maybe the one thing they could have done that didn't stand much chance-- our smallest back against a stacked line. Brilliant.

[crazyhorse1]

It seems to me that this whole forum, or at least much of it, is blaming Portis and Betts. Everyone is so in love with Campbell that they seem to overlook his contributions to this fiasco. He was just as bad as the rest. He over threw receivers, one (for the 3rd week in a row) that was wide open and would have surely scored. So, blame it all on Campbell? No. This was a collective failure of Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams. The 2nd half was so pathetic in offensive/defensive play calling that they should apologize to the team and the fans. This is not a get rid of Gibbs, Saunders and Williams thought either. Just place the blame where it really belongs....the coaches.

I think most of us agree with you, Gibbs and/or Saunders blew it.

Hard to look at it any other way. The play calling was worse thing about the game-- much more upsetting than the missed tackles and bad pass defense, no blocking on the right, etc.

[crazyhorse1]

I don't think CP has much on the pitch... he's more of a hand off guy IIRC.


And last time I checked, the offense didn't give up all those points. Indirectly, yes, you can blame the offense, but if you compare the 1st and 2nd 1/2 and NOT blame, at least partially, the defense, then I have a bridge to sell you....

I think the consensus here is if the offense goes 3 and out as many times as our's did in the 2nd half, the D is going to eventually bend, if not break. If this offense scores 30+ points every week with this defense, we go 14-2.

Yep. That's the consensus of everyone in Washington but Gibbs. Trying to score makes him nervous.

[Cappster]

Am I the only one who sees some light at the end of the tunnel? Yeah we lost to a team we were supposed to beat. The week before we beat a team we were "supposed" to lose to. I just hope as our offense continues to grow, we can learn from experiences like this. Just think, our team has 2 weeks to sit and stew on this game. Do you not think the aren't going to come out and lay some wood on the Lions? We still have 13 games to go therefore the season isn't over just yet. Have some optimism!

[Chris Luva Luva]

Am I the only one who sees some light at the end of the tunnel? Yeah we lost to a team we were supposed to beat. The week before we beat a team we were "supposed" to lose to. I just hope as our offense continues to grow, we can learn from experiences like this. Just think, our team has 2 weeks to sit and stew on this game. Do you not think the aren't going to come out and lay some wood on the Lions? We still have 13 games to go therefore the season isn't over just yet. Have some optimism!

I agree that things are still looking good for this team.

But I also believe that this offense is being held back by certain philosophies.

[cleg]

It took my 6 hours to drive home last night because of construction on 95 and the usual nonsense of getting out of that stadium parking lot. That game was gross. There cannot be any excuses for the play of the defense in the second half, the play calling, dropped balls and bad decisions. My God, it is like 2006, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000 all over again. I hate the Giant fans that come to our building and get so arrogant and cockey - I hate that the Skins always give them reason to. God, now I will hear all week about how the Eagles are back and we have the stupid bye to get through. In my opinion the Skins had to win that damn game, it would have burried the Giants and kept pace with Dallas (who looks like they will run away with the conference). No the no account Eagles have some confidence and the stupid Skins have to wait two weeks before they play again. Ugh!

[SkinsJock]

Am I the only one who sees some light at the end of the tunnel? Yeah we lost to a team we were supposed to beat. The week before we beat a team we were "supposed" to lose to. I just hope as our offense continues to grow, we can learn from experiences like this. Just think, our team has 2 weeks to sit and stew on this game. Do you not think the aren't going to come out and lay some wood on the Lions? We still have 13 games to go therefore the season isn't over just yet. Have some optimism!

I agree that things are still looking good for this team.

But I also believe that this offense is being held back by certain philosophies.

I am a little surprised by all the fuss - we are not as bad as we looked in the second half yesterday and we are certainly not as good as our record - I also think that we need to make some changes in our offensive game plan - we now have a bye week coming up and we obviously have some work to do to get ready for the next 13 games.

We are 2-1 - there are 17 teams with worse records than that and only 5 with better Only 2 teams in the NFC have allowed less points

let's be honest - we are not a very good team yet we are 2-1 and have a bye coming up - from the games that we have seen so far this year there are only a couple of teams that are really playing very well and we should still finish up at 10-6 - nobody can convince me that we will not be second in the NFC East - despite what some here thought I felt that the Cowboys really improved in the off season by adding Phillips and last year Romo showed that he can play QB - they will be tough

We need to do a better job offensively and we have to be able to stop the run on defense.

[PulpExposure]

I agree that things are still looking good for this team.

But I also believe that this offense is being held back by certain philosophies.

I agree with you CLL. Although the mounting injuries are really starting to worry me.

[SKINFAN]

defense did good, but they were left out on the field too long. 3 and outs on the second half, what a regression, I kept pinching myself to se if I was looking at this season or 2006 season, I couldn't tell

[GSPODS]

If you have a team down by 14 points, you attempt to have them down by 21 points. If you have a team down by 21 points, you attempt to have them down by 28 points. If you have a team down by 50 points with :30 seconds left in the game, you attempt to score. Kneeling on offense loses games, whether it is the first quarter or the last play of the game.
Of course, Dan Snyder is pretty short so Gibbs is having the offense kneel as low as it can go to be in proper groveling position.

If I see one more offensive series of off-tackle, off-tackle, incompletion, punt, which has become so predictable even my 1 year old knows what's coming, I think someone should volunteer to physically remove Joe Gibbs from his position. Al Saunders' offense is not conservative. It is designed to win games. Gregg Williams has to be thinking to himself, "I've built a championship caliber defense and the offense is making me look like an idiot."

If Joe Gibbs wants to see repetition, he needs to go back to NASCAR, where he can see 2000 consecutive left turns that everyone knows are coming. Great racing strategy, but awful football strategy.

[Mursilis]

Am I the only one who sees some light at the end of the tunnel? Yeah we lost to a team we were supposed to beat. The week before we beat a team we were "supposed" to lose to. I just hope as our offense continues to grow, we can learn from experiences like this. Just think, our team has 2 weeks to sit and stew on this game. Do you not think the aren't going to come out and lay some wood on the Lions? We still have 13 games to go therefore the season isn't over just yet. Have some optimism!

The Lions are averaging 26 points and 345 passing yards a game - if we're going to beat them, we're going to have to do more than score twice and try to sit on a slim lead. It could very well be a shoot-out of a game - are we ready for that?

[GSPODS]

The Lions are averaging 26 points and 345 passing yards a game - if we're going to beat them, we're going to have to do more than score twice and try to sit on a slim lead. It could very well be a shoot-out of a game - are we ready for that?

No, the Redskins are not ready for that. They are looking 2-2 squarely in the face. With the current offensive play-calling, the Redskins barely score 26 points in two games.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I am a little surprised by all the fuss

I know what you mean but 2 huge issues popped up during yesterdays game. These 2 issues have plagued the second tenure of Joe Gibbs.

1. Piss poor clock management.
2. Playing scared.

People are frustrated. This offense is great but I think Gibbs is holding it back. Maybe he doesn't feel that Jason is capable of taking more of the offense onto his shoulders. I think he proved last night that he's more than capable. In a pressure situation he delivered the ball where it needed to be while being pressured. Imagine how many points we would have put up in the 3rd quarter if Jason was allowed to throw under even calmer situations?