Why I think we may not get taylor

skins#1fan · Post by **skins#1fan** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:30 pm

im think we may not get taylor because of 2 reasons. First because I think we have to young and talented safties that were healthy all of last year. Our d coordinator last year sucked and I still thought they played decent. With blach and williams they could shine.

My second reason is that taylor is so praised and wanted that we could use that to our advantage. I think if were in the position on draft day to get him that we could get a variety of good things. I mean there are 4 or 5 teams that would do a whole lot to get him and even teams that are drafting at # 7,8,or 9 would want to switch with us and give us something else just to make sure they got there hands on him and that would free us up to probably get winslow who we may want anyways. You have to look at what would make a bigger impact. Yes taylor is awesome but I believe with our new coaching that our safetys can definitely hold there own and will suprise people with there play. So on that note were not in immediate need of a safety. As far as tight end goes winslow will get thrown to 4 or 5 times a game, get us out of third down situations, and be deadly in the redzone.. We can finally run the old roll out gibbs use to do.

kkryan · Post by **kkryan** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:35 pm

skins#1fan wrote:im think we may not get taylor because of 2 reasons. First because I think we have to young and talented safties that were healthy all of last year. Our d coordinator last year sucked and I still thought they played decent. With blach and williams they could shine.

My second reason is that taylor is so praised and wanted that we could use that to our advantage. I think if were in the position on draft day to get him that we could get a variety of good things. I mean there are 4 or 5 teams that would do a whole lot to get him and even teams that are drafting at # 7,8,or 9 would want to switch with us and give us something else just to make sure they got there hands on him and that would free us up to probably get winslow who we may want anyways. You have to look at what would make a bigger impact. Yes taylor is awesome but I believe with our new coaching that our safetys can definitely hold there own and will suprise people with there play. So on that note were not in immediate need of a safety. As far as tight end goes winslow will get thrown to 4 or 5 times a game, get us out of third down situations, and be deadly in the redzone.. We can finally run the old roll out gibbs use to do.

Is tight end a greater need than defensive line??? We need to trade down for more picks and select Udeze, Harris, or Wilfork. Winslow is going to be a great player but we would not be able to take full advantage of his skills in this new run oriented offense. I love Kellen but we have more pressing needs along the defensive line.

skins#1fan · Post by **skins#1fan** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:40 pm

im tellin you our d line is going to suprise a lot of people. We have a good amount of players on the d line that dont get injured often and fight hard every down and thats what we have lacked for the past few years. I like the fact that we have some quiet but solid players that play with some heart! No more stubbafields or big name players that dont even produce

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:51 pm

dont forget about the patriots wanting to trade like 4 or 5 picks to the lions for the 6th pick because they want him.. BADLY

BigCarter28 · Post by **BigCarter28** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:48 pm

are you guys crazy were where you last year, our d-line sucks there a bunch of players who were released from other teams because they couldnt cut it (ie scrubs) griffen is the only solid one (and solid at best), our secondary is not that good and "Iffy" ohalatte and Matt Bowen are not good, why pass up on Sean Taylor who has the potential to be the best player at his position in the league??? Is it really worth trading down and getting d-line players who wont be half as good? yes our d-line is going to suck but this is probably going to be a 2 year process anyway, Greg Williams isnt a god.

kkryan · Post by **kkryan** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:17 pm

skins#1fan wrote:im tellin you our d line is going to suprise a lot of people. We have a good amount of players on the d line that dont get injured often and fight hard every down and thats what we have lacked for the past few years. I like the fact that we have some quiet but solid players that play with some heart! No more stubbafields or big name players that dont even produce

Like who? Who do we have that can dominate one on one??

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:20 pm

I agree kk. I think they can do alright against the run, but these guys can't provide a consistent pass rush.

kkryan · Post by **kkryan** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:23 pm

portis26 wrote:I agree kk. I think they can do alright against the run, but these guys can't provide a consistent pass rush.

And what happens if Brandon can't return or if someone gets hurt...were screwed!! We will blitz like Dallas because our dline won't be able to put pressure on anyone!!

Redskin006 · Post by **Redskin006** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:26 pm

we need wilfork and udeze or smith or harris(switch him to DE). our line would be mucho times better. i agree bowen and ohalete are solid starters. i know some may not agree, but they are still very young and emerging and can be molded into superb players.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:27 pm

Big Carter, Your crazy!!! Iffy and Bowen are good they played for a linebacker coach. George Edwards called the plays. I have to wonder during the fourth quarter (of almost every game) the defense needed to get a stop but didn't. How much of it was coaching and how much talent?

I know there was a problem with discipline on the defense (jumping off sides). I know there was a problem with assignments ( two players taking up the same lane/gap). And I hate to say it but they looked like they just gave up sometimes.

During the first Giants game. I see LaVar trying to kill the QB and he dumps it off on a screen and he runs into field goal range. I have to think that LaVar screwed up.

During the Tampa game. Was it three boot legs that scored touchdowns against us or four? I can't remember for sure. I'm pretty sure it was three but I could be wrong. I have to think that was coaching.

The Bills did the boot leg to us to. It pissed off Sonny Jurgeson. I think that was the next week and I have to blame it on coaching.

During the last Philly game mcnabb hiked the ball and threw to a wide open RECIEVER for a touchdown. I think that was also coaching. I mean that was LaVar and Champ arguing about who should cover him. Either noone told them of the play, or they just didn't know the play. I have to say coaching again on that one.

I can agree with you about our D-line. I wouldn't mind if we trade down, but if we don't then we shouldn't get Sean Taylor.

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:27 pm

I hope we get a good pick for gardner and take a dlineman or pick up somebody after June 1 when we have a little more cap space. But with the additions of Daniels and Griffin, the return of Noble (hopefully), and the subtraction of Bruce the dline can't possibly be as bad as last year.

kkryan · Post by **kkryan** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:33 pm

portis26 wrote:I hope we get a good pick for gardner and take a dlineman or pick up somebody after June 1 when we have a little more cap space. But with the additions of Daniels and Griffin, the return of Noble (hopefully), and the subtraction of Bruce the dline can't possibly be as bad as last year.

The line will be better even if Noble is unable to return. Thank god Bruce is gone!!! The dline still needs more work. I sure hope Mr. Gibbs can develop one of the undrafted players into a stand out dlineman along with one of the quality first rounders!!

portis26 · Post by **portis26** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:36 pm

I just wish we had more picks because then taking Taylor would be no brainer. He is the best defensive player in the draft, but since we don't have another pick on day one we have to weigh the options. If we take Taylor at number 5 and trade Gardner for a 2nd or 3rd rounder we could end up with Taylor and a pass rushing specialist like Hilton, Adibi, or Tubbs etc.

cjpck44 · Post by **cjpck44** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:32 pm

I think our safeties will be fine, they're good enough. The one thing you can look at our defense and say is There Is NO Pass Rush. None. The only way we might be able to get it is to blitz, a lot. And since our d-line is not really a threat then that won't work much either.

Kenechi Udeze. He's the guy we need.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:38 am

portis26 wrote:I just wish we had more picks because then taking Taylor would be no brainer. He is the best defensive player in the draft, but since we don't have another pick on day one we have to weigh the options. If we take Taylor at number 5 and trade Gardner for a 2nd or 3rd rounder we could end up with Taylor and a pass rushing specialist like Hilton, Adibi, or Tubbs etc.

That's why giving up a 2nd withChamp was so big!!

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:56 am

Although I like Taylor. I think we need D-linemen. We need impact players not just an impact player.

SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0 · Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:56 am

During the last Philly game mcnabb hiked the ball and threw to a wide open RECIEVER for a touchdown. I think that was also coaching. I mean that was LaVar and Champ arguing about who should cover him. Either noone told them of the play, or they just didn't know the play. I have to say coaching again on that one.

That was Andre Lott's man. He was starting his first game, and he was confused because all receivers were on the right side of the field, and the tight End was split out to the right.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:12 am

finally some people are starting to see things not wearing redskin colored glasses or D-LINE is average at best.the dt we signed from the giants is not going to scare people into double teaming him.the line could not genarate any pass rush last year, and this year we have a d-line with a bunch of unproven players. any d-line must protect the linebackers so lavar and company can take over.i'am starting to lean toward wilfork instead of harris,but would be happy with any d-line big name big play draft pick.REDSKINZ4EVER!!!

skins75 · Post by **skins75** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:55 am

I also would love to get Taylor but if the offer is right I dont think we can pass on trading down and picking up a DE and a big bodied DT. Griffin isnt the run stuffer that someone like big bodied Donnell Washington from Clemson could end up being. So if we can P/U a Mid 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder it would be well worth trading down.

Perfect World

Udeze
Starks

Probable

Udeze
Donnell Washington/Darnell Dockett (Even though Dockett needs to add some size)

DaRealistJoka · Post by **DaRealistJoka** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:50 am

I Think we almost have to have Taylor even if we draft a Dlinemen it is not given that he is goin to come in the league and dominate, lineman on both sides of the ball is the most hardest position to adjust to, there has been more bust on the line then in any other positions, look at it this way if we have to blitz to get a pass rush i would want taylor checking a wideout before the safties we have now because if you goin to blitz to get to the QB there will be one on one with the wideouts against the safety.

Fanforever · Post by **Fanforever** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:31 am

Sean Taylor is one of the players I would love to see us draft because, he would be a tremendous help in run support being a very good tackler. He would definately be an impact player on our defense which for the past two seasons has been horendus. However much of the defense's woes have not all been on the players.We had a coaching staff that was in way over their heads, and as a result the entire team suffered. The most fundermental aspects of the game we could not conquer, and that's RUNNING THE BALL & STOPPING THE RUN.
With this coaching staff we will accomplish those two feats. We all want that dominant pass rusher at End but where are they? How many dominant pass rushers in the league, espically when teams get the ball out quickly with three step drops. We will see much improved play from out team this year no matter who we draft, but I'm hoping Taylor will be the one even though Safeties are not usually drafted that
high in the first round. I've witnessed every game Joe Gibbs coached for the Redskins since we knew his name, and I've seen him do very well with less than we have now.

Hail Redskins!!!

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:48 am

Fanforever wrote:Sean Taylor is one of the players I would love to see us draft because, he would be a tremendous help in run support being a very good tackler. He would definately be an impact player on our defense which for the past two seasons has been horendus...The most fundermental aspects of the game we could not conquer, and that's RUNNING THE BALL & STOPPING THE RUN.

Let's hope our safeties are not the ones with the responsibility of making the most tackles on defense. We need to plug up the line to make sure our linemen and LBs handle the tackling (making the NEED to get Taylor less). Stopping the run starts up front, wher our MOST GLARING deficiency is. As far as an impact player.... isn't that why LAVAR is still arguing about his $6.5 million?? Snyder didn't throw that money at him just to play chess on the plane; Arrington needs to, and finally will, deliver.

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:22 pm

Salave'a and Holsey will provide some good depth. In fact, I think both are capable of starting. Still, Griffin is going to be a starter with Noble. Not the best D-line, but better than last seasons fiasco.

Iffy wouldn't be a waterboy on my team - he reminds me of Tony Banks more every play he's on the field... please don't get me started on Tony Banks :0).

Taylor might last until the 9th or 10th pick. If so, he's a steal for the team lucky enough to be there. Trading back and taking him is great - staying put at #5 to get the best football player in the draft is fine with me too. Roy Williams had a good showing, Steven Jackson is moving up Kiper's Board, Mike Williams coming on strong, Winslow and the two known QB's - Eli and Big Ben... plus the sleeper QB - Phil Rivers and Gallery being seen as THE best OT in the draft... Taylor might not fit with the other teams wants or needs... and we could pick up a second rounder for the trouble of moving down.

Slide back - fine with me.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:31 am

Wow if we could slide back a few spots and grab another pick and get still get Taylor that would ba agreat draft day for Skins

whomp-em · Post by **whomp-em** » Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:21 pm

DEHog wrote:Wow if we could slide back a few spots and grab another pick and get still get Taylor that would ba agreat draft day for Skins

i agree, but i just don't see Taylor making it past Detroit at #6. while they did sign 2 FA DB's, they wanted Champ and missed out -- and you know the guys they got aren't Champ-caliber. here's espn's take on their Safety situation:

"The Lions have released Corey Harris and moved Brian Walker from free to strong safety. Terrence Holt figures to fill Walker's old spot, giving the Lions two adequate starters -- albeit both lacking ideal range. Bracy Walker provides depth and Charles Drake contributes on special teams, but both would struggle as fixtures in the starting lineup.

The Lions need to bring in a game-breaking safety to help give this defense an identity. There are few obvious ones, so expect the team to address this need with its first-round pick. At least one prospect (Sean Taylor), and perhaps more, are worth a grab that high in the draft. "

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