Shawn Springs - Not a starter?

[UK Skins Fan]

Is it not possible that Springs does indeed feel better than he has in four years, whilst the coaching staff still have legitimate concerns about his hamstring? The two really don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I don't believe Springs is being punished any more than I thought Lavar was being punished for off the field stuff. It's just more conspiracy theory bull, and it's frankly boring to read. Springs will be the starting corner more often than not this season, and then we can all stop fretting.

[Chris Luva Luva]

There is an issue with the way this team is being handled. Coles, Lavar and now Springs? 3 different players and the only constant is the coaches.

Something needs to change to open the lines of communications.

[UK Skins Fan]

Three players out of how many that have played for the Redskins in that time? Managing people is just about the toughest part of any manager's job, and I reckon 3 problems (if we accept that all three were problems brought about by management issues, which I'm a long way from doing yet) represents a pretty darn good success rate.

[Fios]

There is an issue with the way this team is being handled. Coles, Lavar and now Springs? 3 different players and the only constant is the coaches.

Something needs to change to open the lines of communications.

How can you possibly conclude that? The LaVar situation was as much LaVar as it was anyone else. And UK raises a very valid point, this would hardly be the first time a player felt he was healthy and a coaching staff disagreed. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

[Chris Luva Luva]

There is an issue with the way this team is being handled. Coles, Lavar and now Springs? 3 different players and the only constant is the coaches.

Something needs to change to open the lines of communications.

How can you possibly conclude that? The LaVar situation was as much LaVar as it was anyone else. And UK raises a very valid point, this would hardly be the first time a player felt he was healthy and a coaching staff disagreed. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

Nobody is going to agree on this issue. I feel that there is a disconnect somewhere. Where else in the NFL has this many players left in such a short time span and in the manner they left? The only constant in these situations are the Redskins. It's not hard to believe that maybe they need to do something on their part to prevent these situations. I'm in no way blaming everything on them 100% but it's apparent to me that their hands aren't clean.

[GSPODS]

Terrell Owens and Randy Moss have both equalled the Redskins total of player / personnel issues by themselves.
Maybe there is a "My Way Or No Way" policy within the Redskins organization but shouldn't there be? A player should never be bigger than the team, and, No, we can't all just get along.

We can't always resolve our differences in this forum. When things get out of hand, the Moderators, of which you are one, step in and resolve the issue for us. Why would we think the Redskins would operate any differently?

[Fios]

There is an issue with the way this team is being handled. Coles, Lavar and now Springs? 3 different players and the only constant is the coaches.

Something needs to change to open the lines of communications.

How can you possibly conclude that? The LaVar situation was as much LaVar as it was anyone else. And UK raises a very valid point, this would hardly be the first time a player felt he was healthy and a coaching staff disagreed. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

Nobody is going to agree on this issue. I feel that there is a disconnect somewhere. Where else in the NFL has this many players left in such a short time span and in the manner they left? The only constant in these situations are the Redskins. It's not hard to believe that maybe they need to do something on their part to prevent these situations. I'm in no way blaming everything on them 100% but it's apparent to me that their hands aren't clean.

I defy you to prove that the Redskins have any more of these kinds of problems than any other teams. Heck, some Chiefs fans just found a rap video of LJ saying he didn't want to come back because of Peterson. This is NOT exclusive to the Redskins, I assure you. Look at Kendal, he felt that he had communication problems with Jets management. It's par for the course with running a franchise.

[1niksder]

I agree 100% with you. What does renegotiating his contract have to do with what is done on the field????

Uhm.. I'd say they go hand in hand.

This organization needs to win and win now. And if Shawn Springs is our best cover guy and can help us win, then play him and let's win.

It's not like he's not playing he just didn't start

The dummies in the front office should have thought about his cap hit before now and realize that he might now want to renegotiate his deal.

They did think about it before now, How else would they know it didn't want to re-work the contract

You have to factor that in if you what you are doing.

Come again

He didn't renegotiate and you didn't or couldn't cut him, so move on and stop doing the dumb crap with him like you did with Lavar.

SS was hurt most of last year and didn't start the first game of the season. Maybe some of you should realize that LaVar was done (don't beleive me... ask a Gint's fan) before he was let go. Arch was a bad fit, and the Skins got "cap relief" with both moves. As far as Springs goes it has nothing to do with the cap the money has been spent and week are into the 2nd week of the season so what's done is done. Springs would have cost more in cap if he wasn't here than he does being on the team and the Skin's weren't going to get any help from SS so they moved forward. Maybe we should do the same thing.

We have games to play and win and a Super Bowl to try to get to and win.

They played one game and they won it, but it's bit early to be talking about the Super Bowl isn't it?

Deal with that money crap in the off-season....

Not a issue in 2008 Springs cap hit will be $7.48M he has $4.9M left in prorated money that's a two and half million dollar savings without ever even talking to Springs. In other words he's not wanting to re-work the deal kind of took 2008 out of the equation.

[Chris Luva Luva]

There is an issue with the way this team is being handled. Coles, Lavar and now Springs? 3 different players and the only constant is the coaches.

Something needs to change to open the lines of communications.

How can you possibly conclude that? The LaVar situation was as much LaVar as it was anyone else. And UK raises a very valid point, this would hardly be the first time a player felt he was healthy and a coaching staff disagreed. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

Nobody is going to agree on this issue. I feel that there is a disconnect somewhere. Where else in the NFL has this many players left in such a short time span and in the manner they left? The only constant in these situations are the Redskins. It's not hard to believe that maybe they need to do something on their part to prevent these situations. I'm in no way blaming everything on them 100% but it's apparent to me that their hands aren't clean.

I defy you to prove that the Redskins have any more of these kinds of problems than any other teams. Heck, some Chiefs fans just found a rap video of LJ saying he didn't want to come back because of Peterson. This is NOT exclusive to the Redskins, I assure you. Look at Kendal, he felt that he had communication problems with Jets management. It's par for the course with running a franchise.

I'm not denying other teams have issues. But one player after another, almost one year after another? That's not common and if it is common then we should be the rare team that doesn't have that issue.

[Fios]

There is an issue with the way this team is being handled. Coles, Lavar and now Springs? 3 different players and the only constant is the coaches.

Something needs to change to open the lines of communications.

How can you possibly conclude that? The LaVar situation was as much LaVar as it was anyone else. And UK raises a very valid point, this would hardly be the first time a player felt he was healthy and a coaching staff disagreed. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

Nobody is going to agree on this issue. I feel that there is a disconnect somewhere. Where else in the NFL has this many players left in such a short time span and in the manner they left? The only constant in these situations are the Redskins. It's not hard to believe that maybe they need to do something on their part to prevent these situations. I'm in no way blaming everything on them 100% but it's apparent to me that their hands aren't clean.

I defy you to prove that the Redskins have any more of these kinds of problems than any other teams. Heck, some Chiefs fans just found a rap video of LJ saying he didn't want to come back because of Peterson. This is NOT exclusive to the Redskins, I assure you. Look at Kendal, he felt that he had communication problems with Jets management. It's par for the course with running a franchise.

I'm not denying other teams have issues. But one player after another, almost one year after another? That's not common and if it is common then we should be the rare team that doesn't have that issue.

You are blowing this way out of proportion man, I don't know how else to say that. You have no idea what the Springs issue is, people are simply making assumptions here after ONE game. For an organization of this size to have maybe three issues in four years is actually quite exemplary. You have to take a step back and try to view these things collectively.

[Chris Luva Luva]

You are blowing this way out of proportion man, I don't know how else to say that. You have no idea what the Springs issue is, people are simply making assumptions here after ONE game. For an organization of this size to have maybe three issues in four years is actually quite exemplary. You have to take a step back and try to view these things collectively.

Blowing it out of proportion is saying Gibbs sucks or that he needs to be fired, or even saying he has lost his touch. I simply believe that the situations they've had have been ugly and that there is an issue on both sides of the fence. The Skins can improve some of their relations, contrary to popular belief they aren't perfect.

This Springs issue may be resolved, you are correct in that we have no clue what the issue is. But from the outside looking in, it had some familiar symptoms. Whoever is at fault, it's dumb.

[Mursilis]

I caught the late local news last night (Channel 7, I think), and they were STILL talking about this issue. The sportscaster called it a 'miscommunication' regarding Springs' health that resulted in him being held out of a starting spot. I don't remember any further elaboration Whatever. It's certainly an odd saga.

[1niksder]

I caught the late local news last night (Channel 7, I think), and they were STILL talking about this issue. The sportscaster called it a 'miscommunication' regarding Springs' health that resulted in him being held out of a starting spot. I don't remember any further elaboration Whatever. It's certainly an odd saga.

The trainers said Springs had injury concerns (because his hammy was wrapped) about his hamstring and relayed that to the DB coaches, Gray said something to Gibbs and from what I get Gibbs didn't want to chance losing him this early in the season so he didn't start him. He played him when he was most needed (obvious passing downs). He was in the game and in postion to recover that fumble wasn't he? Gibbs went on the advise of the trainers and position coach, that's the only problem I see with this.

In the end Gibbs and Springs had a talk which resulted in finding out if the trainer had simply approached Springs and asked about the Hammy he would have been told by Springs that it was only wrapped because he had been doing some weight training , at that point it would have been no reason for the trainer to go to Gray nor for Gray to bring it up to Gibbs or a reason for this tread

Lack of communications sure gave us a bunch to talk about, sounds like the team has moved on. Unfortunately I've heard of nothing being done to avoid this in the future

[GSPODS]

Excerpts from:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02425.html

"Gregg says it's going to be a rotation all year, regardless of whether we like it or not, and maybe next game I'm going to be the third cornerback," Smoot said. "I don't have a problem with that. I'll do anything Gregg wants us to do, and I think all three of us feel the same way."

The Redskins are playing largely a cover-3 scheme in their base defense this season, dividing the field into thirds, with safety Sean Taylor in the middle and a corner on either side about 10 yards off the line. It is a zone defense, and thus corners do not start at the line of scrimmage as they would in a man-to-man scheme, requiring depth to read the play in a system designed to negate passes of 25 yards or more above all else.

Williams has packages for various formations and often switches from play to play -- the Redskins are dropping strong safety LaRon Landry off the line on many third-and-long situations and playing cover-2 with two safeties deep -- but is known for putting corners in challenging situations with his aggressive tendencies. In their defensive backs meetings, players say the coaches have stressed eliminating big plays this season after a horrible deep defense last season, and are comfortable with the trade-off coming in 10- to 15-yard receptions at times.

"We'll make more plays than we give up," Smoot said. "I promise you. I promise you."

[CanesSkins26]

I caught the late local news last night (Channel 7, I think), and they were STILL talking about this issue. The sportscaster called it a 'miscommunication' regarding Springs' health that resulted in him being held out of a starting spot. I don't remember any further elaboration Whatever. It's certainly an odd saga.

The trainers said Springs had injury concerns (because his hammy was wrapped) about his hamstring and relayed that to the DB coaches, Gray said something to Gibbs and from what I get Gibbs didn't want to chance losing him this early in the season so he didn't start him. He played him when he was most needed (obvious passing downs). He was in the game and in postion to recover that fumble wasn't he? Gibbs went on the advise of the trainers and position coach, that's the only problem I see with this.

In the end Gibbs and Springs had a talk which resulted in finding out if the trainer had simply approached Springs and asked about the Hammy he would have been told by Springs that it was only wrapped because he had been doing some weight training , at that point it would have been no reason for the trainer to go to Gray nor for Gray to bring it up to Gibbs or a reason for this tread

Lack of communications sure gave us a bunch to talk about, sounds like the team has moved on. Unfortunately I've heard of nothing being done to avoid this in the future

Seems to me like this team has a problem with communication. How hard would it have been for a trainer, Grey, GW, Gibbs, or any other member of the coaching staff to walk over to Springs and ask about the hamstring? It's sort of pathetic that coaches and players can't communicate over an issue as simple as this. What's interesting is that these communication problems seem to occur more often on the defensive side of the ball. Last season corners/safeties didn't meet together and the Friend article from ESPN said that Jackson and Grey weren't speaking very much. AA claims that GW simply stopped talking to him. These guys are supposed to be professionals and it seems like sometimes they have a hard time acting like it.

[1niksder]

Seems to me like this team has a problem with communication. How hard would it have been for a trainer, Grey, GW, Gibbs, or any other member of the coaching staff to walk over to Springs and ask about the hamstring? It's sort of pathetic that coaches and players can't communicate over an issue as simple as this.

Thanks...That's the word I was looking for

What's interesting is that these communication problems seem to occur more often on the defensive side of the ball. Last season corners/safeties didn't meet together and the Friend article from ESPN said that Jackson and Grey weren't speaking very much. AA claims that GW simply stopped talking to him. These guys are supposed to be professionals and it seems like sometimes they have a hard time acting like it.

I had noticed Jerry Gray's name always around these issues but I had forgot about Steve Jackson but the bottom line is it comes back on GW and JJG

[roybus14]

This is too "storied" a franchise with a "storied" HC to have these communications problems. You don't hear even the bottom-feeding teams of the league having the issues we have. They just suck and have people completely bungled what they are doing. We have a core of pretty good players and what I thought was pretty good coaches but yet, we are still having "communications" problems.....

[BnGhog]

Answer:

Step 1)

Gibbs, reach out with both hands

Step 2)

Wrap both hands and fingers around GWs neck

Step 3)

Squeeze really hard and shake repeatedly

Step 4)

While continuing step 3, yell "grow up"


Problem solved.

[SkinsJock]

We have 3 decent CBs in Springs, Rogers and Smoot and all are going to get their opportunities to make plays - these guys need to do their "talking" on the field - when they get the opportunity to make a "play" they need to show everyone why they are a part of this team - they all need to play better than we saw last week

IMO when Springs is on the field, he should show he is one of the better CBs in the NFL, Rogers needs to show he is a better CB than we have seen (this guy is a high draft pick) and Smoot is a very good nickel CB who needs to show us (and the coaches) that he is really glad we are giving him another opportunity to play on this team

[skinsfan#33]

We have 3 decent CBs in Springs, Rogers and Smoot and all are going to get their opportunities to make plays - these guys need to do their "talking" on the field - when they get the opportunity to make a "play" they need to show everyone why they are a part of this team - they all need to play better than we saw last week

IMO when Springs is on the field, he should show he is one of the better CBs in the NFL, Rogers needs to show he is a better CB than we have seen (this guy is a high draft pick) and Smoot is a very good nickel CB who needs to show us (and the coaches) that he is really glad we are giving him another opportunity to play on this team

Rogers and Smoot need to show that they can cover someone!

Catching an INT that hits you in the hands or chest would be nice too.