I know its earley but is Rogers going to step up?

[Chris Luva Luva]

I do not feel pass coverage was great. I also noticed the cushions. But as opposed to most of you, I blame the DL and lack of blitz calls for lack of pressure on Trent Green. Any NFL QB will pick you apart if they have enough time to do so.

Hush now, that type of talk isn't allowed here. I agree 200% We're in trouble on both ends of the stick.

We have the run stuffing solved but pass rushing is an issue that I'm not too sure can be solved this year.

[por-tiz2skins]

Carlos had a solid game. Smoot was the one who got abused. Cameron called pass plays all day that went right at Smoot. Chamberlain caught most of his balls on Fred. Get a tape of the game and watch it for yourself. The bigger question is why did Smoot start over Springs? And where did Smoots game go? Not picking on the easy target.

Smoot did good IMO I think hes just getting started to be use to are D scheme again.

[por-tiz2skins]

I do not feel pass coverage was great. I also noticed the cushions. But as opposed to most of you, I blame the DL and lack of blitz calls for lack of pressure on Trent Green. Any NFL QB will pick you apart if they have enough time to do so.

Hush now, that type of talk isn't allowed here. I agree 200% We're in trouble on both ends of the stick.

We have the run stuffing solved but pass rushing is an issue that I'm not too sure can be solved this year.

I didn't see any LB's come to blitz besides the Rocky Sack.IMO i think we didn't try in the D and wanted to see how things would look if are DL was the only one to pressure and also didn't Daniels didn't start?

[Deadskins]

How did Landry do?

Excellent by any standards!

He was credited with 1 solo tackle and 2 assists. So I wouldn't say by any standards. I don't remember his name being mentioned by the announcers. Now he didn't get burned, so that is a good start, but I certainly didn't see him all over the field like he was in pre-season. Rocky McIntosh had that kind of day, but not Landry.

[Skins2daGrave]

he had a couple great plays on Special Teams though

[1niksder]

I do not feel pass coverage was great. I also noticed the cushions. But as opposed to most of you, I blame the DL and lack of blitz calls for lack of pressure on Trent Green. Any NFL QB will pick you apart if they have enough time to do so.

As a unit they did a great job, Green averaged less than 6 yards per attempt and the longest completion was under 30 yards. Not bad at all but it has to get better. There were 3 for 20 yards or more and those can come back to bite you.

[gilbertarenas]

I was disappointed with Smoot, he's appeared to have gotten worse since his last stint with the Redskins. Rogers coverage skills have not improved from last year but he did make a couple of key tackles. Still, Rogers giving a receiver an 8 yard cushion when he only needs 5 or 6 yards is inexcusable. I blame this on Rogers or the coaching staff for putting him in that position.

[dlc]

I do not feel pass coverage was great. I also noticed the cushions. But as opposed to most of you, I blame the DL and lack of blitz calls for lack of pressure on Trent Green. Any NFL QB will pick you apart if they have enough time to do so.

As a unit they did a great job, Green averaged less than 6 yards per attempt and the longest completion was under 30 yards. Not bad at all but it has to get better. There were 3 for 20 yards or more and those can come back to bite you.

I think they've done a mediocre job. I think the GW philosophy is to commit to stopping the run just as much as offenses are committed to establish it. If passing comes up, we leave corners on islands or with large zones to protect, not to mention complex reads. Mixed blitz packages are made to occassionally help it, but lack of consistent line penatration and blitzes that get picked up make it look like we have corners that can't cover. Simple fact is, no pressure on ANY NFL QB, no stopping the pass.

Not saying this is definitely what's happening, but what I've seen over the past few years. We've trashed Smoot in the past, then Walt Harris, and now Rogers. He's young and has been thrown to the wolves.

I don't think any corners that we can reasonably get would make us happy until we get a pass rush or a new defensive coordinator. I prefer a pass rush.

[1niksder]

I think they've done a mediocre job. I think the GW philosophy is to commit to stopping the run just as much as offenses are committed to establish it. If passing comes up, we leave corners on islands or with large zones to protect, not to mention complex reads. Mixed blitz packages are made to occassionally help it, but lack of consistent line penatration and blitzes that get picked up make it look like we have corners that can't cover. Simple fact is, no pressure on ANY NFL QB, no stopping the pass.

Not saying this is definitely what's happening, but what I've seen over the past few years. We've trashed Smoot in the past, then Walt Harris, and now Rogers. He's young and has been thrown to the wolves.

I don't think any corners that we can reasonably get would make us happy until we get a pass rush or a new defensive coordinator. I prefer a pass rush.

Well I was talking about last Sunday's play not the last few years. And last Sunday they held the offense to 13 points, under 275 total yards and held on nine out of 13 third downs. Williams has always put his corners "on a island" but rarely blitzed on Sunday yet they did come away with to sacks. They also had a fumble recovery. It may not have been a perfect game by the D but is was way more than a mediocre job

[HEROHAMO]

I must say when Rogers gives a cushion his reciever usually does pretty good. I would rather have him press the reciever and use his physical strength and reroute the recievers, he is bigger and stronger than most recievers, this could be huge in helping him.

I would also like to see Rogers just stick in the flats most of the time, let Taylor or Landry handle the deep responibilities. Rogers is a very physical corner who is also a fine tackler. If he would just bump reroute the reciever and keep in the flats, let our outstanding safties take over his man he should be fine.

Smoot may have been picked on as well. I think smoot came up big with that dropped pass. He could have picked the ball yes, but at the same time it was still a huge play on a critical down. So Smoot came up big for us when we needed him too.

[1niksder]

I must say when Rogers gives a cushion his reciever usually does pretty good. I would rather have him press the reciever and use his physical strength and reroute the recievers, he is bigger and stronger than most recievers, this could be huge in helping him.

I would also like to see Rogers just stick in the flats most of the time, let Taylor or Landry handle the deep responibilities. Rogers is a very physical corner who is also a fine tackler. If he would just bump reroute the receiver and keep in the flats, let our outstanding safeties take over his man he should be fine.

If he's going to need help from the safeties all of the time what's the use of having him out there? The safeties should be free to come down into the box when needed and not worry about a corner not be able to cover. Carlos needs to get on his job. The big cushion was said to be related to his confidence last year, I sure hope that's not the case week 1 of the new season.

Smoot may have been picked on as well. I think smoot came up big with that dropped pass. He could have picked the ball yes, but at the same time it was still a huge play on a critical down. So Smoot came up big for us when we needed him too.

A lot of people only see the dropped int, not what would have happened if he had been out of position, I'm glad he was there but I said the same thing about CR last year, I said it again and again and again....

[HEROHAMO]

I must say when Rogers gives a cushion his reciever usually does pretty good. I would rather have him press the reciever and use his physical strength and reroute the recievers, he is bigger and stronger than most recievers, this could be huge in helping him.

I would also like to see Rogers just stick in the flats most of the time, let Taylor or Landry handle the deep responibilities. Rogers is a very physical corner who is also a fine tackler. If he would just bump reroute the receiver and keep in the flats, let our outstanding safeties take over his man he should be fine.

If he's going to need help from the safeties all of the time what's the use of having him out there? The safeties should be free to come down into the box when needed and not worry about a corner not be able to cover. Carlos needs to get on his job. The big cushion was said to be related to his confidence last year, I sure hope that's not the case week 1 of the new season.

Smoot may have been picked on as well. I think smoot came up big with that dropped pass. He could have picked the ball yes, but at the same time it was still a huge play on a critical down. So Smoot came up big for us when we needed him too.

A lot of people only see the dropped int, not what would have happened if he had been out of position, I'm glad he was there but I said the same thing about CR last year, I said it again and again and again....

I agree when you say if he cant cover why have him out there.

I am just saying he is the starter so we have to play the hand that is delt. If this was Champ Bailey we wouldnt even be having this discussion.

Well I hope Rogers gets his game together, I really do. Well on the positive note our team defense only gave up 13 points. That is not that bad. So all in all how bad could our corners really have done. One TD, and two field goals is not too shabby.

[dlc]

I think they've done a mediocre job. I think the GW philosophy is to commit to stopping the run just as much as offenses are committed to establish it. If passing comes up, we leave corners on islands or with large zones to protect, not to mention complex reads. Mixed blitz packages are made to occassionally help it, but lack of consistent line penatration and blitzes that get picked up make it look like we have corners that can't cover. Simple fact is, no pressure on ANY NFL QB, no stopping the pass.

Not saying this is definitely what's happening, but what I've seen over the past few years. We've trashed Smoot in the past, then Walt Harris, and now Rogers. He's young and has been thrown to the wolves.

I don't think any corners that we can reasonably get would make us happy until we get a pass rush or a new defensive coordinator. I prefer a pass rush.

Well I was talking about last Sunday's play not the last few years. And last Sunday they held the offense to 13 points, under 275 total yards and held on nine out of 13 third downs. Williams has always put his corners "on a island" but rarely blitzed on Sunday yet they did come away with to sacks. They also had a fumble recovery. It may not have been a perfect game by the D but is was way more than a mediocre job

I hope that this shows some promise about our D, but Miami has turned around their offense this quickly where we could even call it a good offense. Maybe be the end of the year, Cameron and Green would have made progress, but week 1?

I think that fact that we ran so well against their defense is more telling since that's what has been consistently good. Let's not forget they were a bad team last year, and the side of the ball most responsible wasn't the defense.

Assuming I'm right, our defense needs to get better, especially in the pass rush, as we saw with the Cowgirls and Gnats, their offenses definitely are a lot more to handle than the Aquamen.

[1niksder]

I hope that this shows some promise about our D, but Miami has turned around their offense this quickly where we could even call it a good offense. Maybe be the end of the year, Cameron and Green would have made progress, but week 1?

Can't but it all on the first week or the phins undeveloped offense. The Skins went into the game with a under developed offense, lost a starting lineman and still 400 yards on there D, then there were other teams that had issuses on on offense going into week one. Oakland started McCown and put up 375 yards and 21 points, Matt Schaub and the Titans put up 315 and 20, even the Lions add over 300 yards and 36 points. It was the first week for everyone.

I think that fact that we ran so well against their defense is more telling since that's what has been consistently good. Let's not forget they were a bad team last year, and the side of the ball most responsible wasn't the defense.

They ran on them with a O-line that was missing 2 out of the 5 players that made them consistant last year, while the everyone was saying the Phins had upgraded the D. You sound like you're saying they lost the game and the Skins didn't win

Assuming I'm right, our defense needs to get better, especially in the pass rush, as we saw with the Cowgirls and Gnats, their offenses definitely are a lot more to handle than the Aquamen.

Assuming you're right is a big assumption Putting up 80 points between the two of them says more about thier defenses than anything.

[GSPODS]

You know what happens when you ass/u/me ...

[dlc]

I hope that this shows some promise about our D, but Miami has turned around their offense this quickly where we could even call it a good offense. Maybe be the end of the year, Cameron and Green would have made progress, but week 1?

Can't but it all on the first week or the phins undeveloped offense. The Skins went into the game with a under developed offense, lost a starting lineman and still 400 yards on there D, then there were other teams that had issuses on on offense going into week one. Oakland started McCown and put up 375 yards and 21 points, Matt Schaub and the Titans put up 315 and 20, even the Lions add over 300 yards and 36 points. It was the first week for everyone.

One, I was applauding our offense and criticizing our defense.

Two, look at the defenses of the opponents you mentioned. Oakland played the Lions who haven't had a good D in decades. The Texans played KC, who only occasionally can stop anyone. And the Lions played an Oakland D that's given up lots points last year as well. None of which are even close to good defenses.

I think that fact that we ran so well against their defense is more telling since that's what has been consistently good. Let's not forget they were a bad team last year, and the side of the ball most responsible wasn't the defense.

They ran on them with a O-line that was missing 2 out of the 5 players that made them consistant last year, while the everyone was saying the Phins had upgraded the D. You sound like you're saying they lost the game and the Skins didn't win

I guess you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I think our offense, esp. our running game showed a lot more promise, moving the ball against a good defense. Our defense however, containing a Miami offense that didn't anything last year, doesn't say anything. Our defense has dominated in the past and has some big names and talent, but it still last year we were at the bottom of the pack. The defense concerns me, and it probably should after last year. Also, I won't assume that the defense is the better side of the ball for us this year based on the fact we won a low-scoring game against a good defensive bad offensive team.

Assuming I'm right, our defense needs to get better, especially in the pass rush, as we saw with the Cowgirls and Gnats, their offenses definitely are a lot more to handle than the Aquamen.

Assuming you're right is a big assumption Putting up 80 points between the two of them says more about thier defenses than anything.

That's a big assumption assuming that it is indicative of their defenses, and not at all of their offenses.

Simple point I meant to make is, that without some significant improvement on the defensive side of the ball, we'll struggle in our conference this year. Perhaps the best defense, might be a dominant running game to eat up some clock.

[SkinsJock]

..I do not feel pass coverage was great. ... I blame the DL and lack of blitz calls for lack of pressure on Trent Green. Any NFL QB will pick you apart if they have enough time to do so.

As a unit they did a great job, Green averaged less than 6 yards per attempt and the longest completion was under 30 yards. Not bad at all but it has to get better. There were 3 for 20 yards or more and those can come back to bite you.

I agree with both of you on this - I felt the pass coverage was not bad but was not helped at all by the fact that there was very little pressure on the QB - IMO we were more than a little lucky that Green played badly - our pass D will be better if the front 7 can get some pressure.

All in all I was a little surprised not to see Springs given more to do - I was surprised to see him in the slot rather than out wide - I felt that Green seemed to target Smoot a lot and Williams did not seem to want to have Springs out there for some reason.

I do not feel these 3 did that bad a job but I also feel our pass coverage will be helped a lot when the coaches come up with a defensive plan that does not just do a very good job against the run (which they did ) but also figures out how to pressure the QB with the front 4 - that continues to be a problem

[steve09ru]

first off, Smoot was horrendous, i rewatched the game and saw that green was 6-8 and 5 of those passes were on Smoot (this continued most the game).

Rogers only downfall of the whole game was the 2 straight times they went to him and he got an arguable Pass Int. Call on him.

They are also running a cover 3 where the 2 cb's watch deep and linebackers cover flat area where they passed on us all day long

[steve09ru]

Carlos "Cushion" Rogers

it's called a cover 3, they stay 7-10 yards off, all our cb's do it