Fios wrote:Yup ... Smoot's play was especially worrisome, he was getting beaten routinely and the team seemed to struggle with intermediate route coverage.
Really? I didn't think he was doing too badly. . .or maybe I was so worried about Rogers that Smoot simply looked good by comparison. He was tackling well, and most of the big gains were passes over the middle on zone plays where Smoot wasn't in it. Smoot did get turned around once and of course had the dropped INT, but did you think he was doing that poorly?
The secondary play as a whole was really soft. None of the DBs really stood out as worse than any other, but as a whole, they showed a lot of weakness on the short and intermediate stuff, the same sort of stuff Philly likes to throw all day. And it's not like Chambers, Booker, and whoever their TE was are elite-level receivers. As much as I hate the rest of our division opponents, they can put together a solid passing offense when they're in tune. Our secondary play is going to have to be a better than it was yesterday if we're going to go anywhere this season. Next Monday's game should be a real test.
Mursilis wrote:The secondary play as a whole was really soft. None of the DBs really stood out as worse than any other, but as a whole, they showed a lot of weakness on the short and intermediate stuff, the same sort of stuff Philly likes to throw all day. And it's not like Chambers, Booker, and whoever their TE was are elite-level receivers. As much as I hate the rest of our division opponents, they can put together a solid passing offense when they're in tune. Our secondary play is going to have to be a better than it was yesterday if we're going to go anywhere this season. Next Monday's game should be a real test.
I agree with all of this. I guess I was under the impression that aside from one or two plays Smoot looked good, especially when tackling. There were definitely too many passes in the seam of our zones, and that will be Philly's bread and butter when we play them. I'm not worried about stopping Westbrook on the ground, but those 8-15 yard passes scare me and could pick us apart.
Fios wrote:Yup ... Smoot's play was especially worrisome, he was getting beaten routinely and the team seemed to struggle with intermediate route coverage.
Really? I didn't think he was doing too badly. . .or maybe I was so worried about Rogers that Smoot simply looked good by comparison. He was tackling well, and most of the big gains were passes over the middle on zone plays where Smoot wasn't in it. Smoot did get turned around once and of course had the dropped INT, but did you think he was doing that poorly?
The secondary play as a whole was really soft. None of the DBs really stood out as worse than any other, but as a whole, they showed a lot of weakness on the short and intermediate stuff, the same sort of stuff Philly likes to throw all day. And it's not like Chambers, Booker, and whoever their TE was are elite-level receivers. As much as I hate the rest of our division opponents, they can put together a solid passing offense when they're in tune. Our secondary play is going to have to be a better than it was yesterday if we're going to go anywhere this season. Next Monday's game should be a real test.
The biggest question I have about the secondary play is "Why is our best CB playing nickel package only?!?!" Springs didn't start and iti s obvious that the other two guys aren't the same quality DB that Springs is.
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Mursilis wrote:The secondary play as a whole was really soft. None of the DBs really stood out as worse than any other, but as a whole, they showed a lot of weakness on the short and intermediate stuff, the same sort of stuff Philly likes to throw all day. And it's not like Chambers, Booker, and whoever their TE was are elite-level receivers. As much as I hate the rest of our division opponents, they can put together a solid passing offense when they're in tune. Our secondary play is going to have to be a better than it was yesterday if we're going to go anywhere this season. Next Monday's game should be a real test.
I agree with all of this. I guess I was under the impression that aside from one or two plays Smoot looked good, especially when tackling. There were definitely too many passes in the seam of our zones, and that will be Philly's bread and butter when we play them. I'm not worried about stopping Westbrook on the ground, but those 8-15 yard passes scare me and could pick us apart.
The tackling was fine, but if a DB has to make a tackle on the man he's covering, that means the pass was completed, and he's failed job 1 - prevent the reception. Now granted, playing DB is one of the hardest jobs in the game, and I don't expect them to prevent everything, but the coverage yesterday was loose - close enough to make the tackle, but not close enough to stop the catch. That's going to have get better.
Fios wrote:Yup ... Smoot's play was especially worrisome, he was getting beaten routinely and the team seemed to struggle with intermediate route coverage.
Really? I didn't think he was doing too badly. . .or maybe I was so worried about Rogers that Smoot simply looked good by comparison. He was tackling well, and most of the big gains were passes over the middle on zone plays where Smoot wasn't in it. Smoot did get turned around once and of course had the dropped INT, but did you think he was doing that poorly?
In the third quarter the Dolphins threw at Smoot four straight times en route to a field goal, and in the fourth quarter Miami used wide receiver Chris Chambers to go after Rogers, a 2005 first-round pick, on play after play, making a 28-yard grab and then drawing a 20-yard pass interference call. That drive ended in a game-tying field goal.
That's third quarter. I remember Smoot getting thrown on a lot in the first 2 quarters as well.
Fios wrote:Yup ... Smoot's play was especially worrisome, he was getting beaten routinely and the team seemed to struggle with intermediate route coverage.
Really? I didn't think he was doing too badly. . .or maybe I was so worried about Rogers that Smoot simply looked good by comparison. He was tackling well, and most of the big gains were passes over the middle on zone plays where Smoot wasn't in it. Smoot did get turned around once and of course had the dropped INT, but did you think he was doing that poorly?
The secondary play as a whole was really soft. None of the DBs really stood out as worse than any other, but as a whole, they showed a lot of weakness on the short and intermediate stuff, the same sort of stuff Philly likes to throw all day. And it's not like Chambers, Booker, and whoever their TE was are elite-level receivers. As much as I hate the rest of our division opponents, they can put together a solid passing offense when they're in tune. Our secondary play is going to have to be a better than it was yesterday if we're going to go anywhere this season. Next Monday's game should be a real test.
It's possible I became overly fixated on him but Smoot got beaten on the touchdown and Chambers was having no problems getting position on him, at least from my perspective. He played well in the first quarter or so but the Dolphins seemed (again, from my perspective) to target him for most of that second quarter drive and pretty frequently after that.
But I also agree with that overall assessment of the secondary and I really hope to see a better overall effort against Philly.
In the third quarter the Dolphins threw at Smoot four straight times en route to a field goal, and in the fourth quarter Miami used wide receiver Chris Chambers to go after Rogers, a 2005 first-round pick, on play after play, making a 28-yard grab and then drawing a 20-yard pass interference call. That drive ended in a game-tying field goal.
Thats what I was going to bring up. I seems they found that they can throw to Chambers all day long with Smoot in coverage. Smoot lost the battle everytime. I noticed this was happining and watched close. Green took the snap and didn't even look at any other WR, he just went straight for Chambers. And of course, he was open. IMO Springs should have been covering him.
I wonder if GW isn't pulling an ARC on him. Ya know, not going to let Springs do much, to lower his value. Why else would Spring not be covering Chambers?
Lots of criticism of the secondary, but let's not go overboard. Last year's problem was that the secondary was giving up too many big plays. Yesterday's play may have been a little soft, but at least there weren't any soul-destroying big plays. Our guys may have allowed some receptions, but they were tackling a whole lot better than last year.
I don't mind a little softness in week 1, especially if our guys are tackling well and have stopped giving up huge plays
BnGhog wrote:Thats what I was going to bring up. I seems they found that they can throw to Chambers all day long with Smoot in coverage. Smoot lost the battle everytime. I noticed this was happining and watched close. Green took the snap and didn't even look at any other WR, he just went straight for Chambers. And of course, he was open. IMO Springs should have been covering him.
I wonder if GW isn't pulling an ARC on him. Ya know, not going to let Springs do much, to lower his value. Why else would Spring not be covering Chambers?
Chambers only caught 6 passes for less than 100 yards(only 2 over 20 yards). So he had a nice day, Corners have to provide run support also and the D held them to under 100 yards as a unit. More passes went to the backs (WR only caught 9 of Greens 24 completions), so Chambers wasn't always open
You also have to take into account that the Skins held some things back on Sunday. Among other things the D didn't use the blitz as much as normal. I think playing a divisional rival on National TV in week 2 would limit what the team would want to show in week 1. I also think they may have played limited coverage schemes. No matter what scheme the Skins run the best receiver has always been covered by Springs (even when injuried at times), but in game one you never heard of Chambers beening covered by him. I saw him 1 on 1 with Booker a few times.
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Fios wrote:It's possible I became overly fixated on him but Smoot got beaten on the touchdown
I believe that was Rogers, who failed to get the inside of a drag route by Miami's TE.
you are correct. Rogers did get beat on that play but Smoot did get beat a lot yesterday. I remember one play I think on Miami's first drive or second drive that Smoot was completely turned around on a pass play.
BnGhog wrote:Thats what I was going to bring up. I seems they found that they can throw to Chambers all day long with Smoot in coverage. Smoot lost the battle everytime. I noticed this was happining and watched close. Green took the snap and didn't even look at any other WR, he just went straight for Chambers. And of course, he was open. IMO Springs should have been covering him.
I wonder if GW isn't pulling an ARC on him. Ya know, not going to let Springs do much, to lower his value. Why else would Spring not be covering Chambers?
Chambers only caught 6 passes for less than 100 yards(only 2 over 20 yards). So he had a nice day, Corners have to provide run support also and the D held them to under 100 yards as a unit. More passes went to the backs (WR only caught 9 of Greens 24 completions), so Chambers wasn't always open
You also have to take into account that the Skins held some things back on Sunday. Among other things the D didn't use the blitz as much as normal. I think playing a divisional rival on National TV in week 2 would limit what the team would want to show in week 1. I also think they may have played limited coverage schemes. No matter what scheme the Skins run the best receiver has always been covered by Springs (even when injuried at times), but in game one you never heard of Chambers beening covered by him. I saw him 1 on 1 with Booker a few times.
Good counterpoint. The secondary should face a strong test next week, so we'll see how they fare then.
1. Rocky is freakin awesome
2. Heyer is even more awesome! Against a very good D and held his ground really well; especially for a rookie!
3. Our run offense picked up right where it left off. Those Dolphins were tired in the 4th quarter and looked like they were about to throw up in overtime!
4. Campbell looked good besides that one interception he threw.......I know he had the hail mary, which "brought his stats up", but he deserved that hailmary after all the balls that were dropped on him.
5. We've found our number two reciever and its a shame......in a way.......I was pulling for Lloyd to make it, but what can I say?
6. Our run defense was freakin awesome! We kept stuffing him and stuffing him and we kicked their behinds!
7. Our pass defense is good, but could be great if our DB's STOP PLAYING 10 YARDS FROM THE RECIEVERS! ESPECIALLY ON 3RD AND 7's!!!! 8. The Referees sucked! Holding on John Riggins!?!?!? THE DUMBEST CALL EVER! Thank God they had the courage to make a correction on it!
9. They brought back my favorite song! I keep forgetting the name, but its the "HEY! YOU SUCK!" one. It made the game so much more enjoyable!!
Fios wrote:Yup ... Smoot's play was especially worrisome, he was getting beaten routinely and the team seemed to struggle with intermediate route coverage.
Really? I didn't think he was doing too badly. . .or maybe I was so worried about Rogers that Smoot simply looked good by comparison. He was tackling well, and most of the big gains were passes over the middle on zone plays where Smoot wasn't in it. Smoot did get turned around once and of course had the dropped INT, but did you think he was doing that poorly?
The secondary play as a whole was really soft. None of the DBs really stood out as worse than any other, but as a whole, they showed a lot of weakness on the short and intermediate stuff, the same sort of stuff Philly likes to throw all day. And it's not like Chambers, Booker, and whoever their TE was are elite-level receivers. As much as I hate the rest of our division opponents, they can put together a solid passing offense when they're in tune. Our secondary play is going to have to be a better than it was yesterday if we're going to go anywhere this season. Next Monday's game should be a real test.
It's possible I became overly fixated on him but Smoot got beaten on the touchdown and Chambers was having no problems getting position on him, at least from my perspective. He played well in the first quarter or so but the Dolphins seemed (again, from my perspective) to target him for most of that second quarter drive and pretty frequently after that. But I also agree with that overall assessment of the secondary and I really hope to see a better overall effort against Philly.
You're wrong about the td. It was Rogers that got beat, not Smoot.
Redskins Rule wrote:The things that I took from the game...........
1. Rocky is freakin awesome 2. Heyer is even more awesome! Against a very good D and held his ground really well; especially for a rookie! 3. Our run offense picked up right where it left off. Those Dolphins were tired in the 4th quarter and looked like they were about to throw up in overtime! 4. Campbell looked good besides that one interception he threw.......I know he had the hail mary, which "brought his stats up", but he deserved that hailmary after all the balls that were dropped on him. 5. We've found our number two reciever and its a shame......in a way.......I was pulling for Lloyd to make it, but what can I say? 6. Our run defense was freakin awesome! We kept stuffing him and stuffing him and we kicked their behinds! 7. Our pass defense is good, but could be great if our DB's STOP PLAYING 10 YARDS FROM THE RECIEVERS! ESPECIALLY ON 3RD AND 7's!!!! 8. The Referees sucked! Holding on John Riggins!?!?!? THE DUMBEST CALL EVER! Thank God they had the courage to make a correction on it! 9. They brought back my favorite song! I keep forgetting the name, but its the "HEY! YOU SUCK!" one. It made the game so much more enjoyable!!
LOL don't worry but I'm sure are Fans where chantting "HEY YOU SUCK" lol cause i herd it loud on my TV.
Skinsfan55 wrote:It's the first start of the year, so we can't read too much into it... but Campbell didn't inspire any confidence in me. 2 INT's and around 200 yards passing (a 200 yard performance made less impressive by the fluke hail mary and his chances in OT.)
Hopefully he can build on today's game experience.
Lloyd was at fault for the 2nd INT. The 1st was Jason's fault, he admitted to such in the post game interview.
Lloyd failed to play the ball properly, he's not doing too well.
You're right, but I would like to add that his problem was a mistake in that particular instance, not an effort problem. He didn't adjust to the ball well and got caught in a position that prevented him from jumping to capacity.
I have no idea of his effort level the rest of the game, but that one was just a botch.
Skinsfan55 wrote:It's the first start of the year, so we can't read too much into it... but Campbell didn't inspire any confidence in me. 2 INT's and around 200 yards passing (a 200 yard performance made less impressive by the fluke hail mary and his chances in OT.)
Hopefully he can build on today's game experience.
Lloyd was at fault for the 2nd INT. The 1st was Jason's fault, he admitted to such in the post game interview.
Lloyd failed to play the ball properly, he's not doing too well.
You're right, but I would like to add that his problem was a mistake in that particular instance, not an effort problem. He didn't adjust to the ball well and got caught in a position that prevented him from jumping to capacity.
I have no idea of his effort level the rest of the game, but that one was just a botch.
Skinsfan55 wrote:It's the first start of the year, so we can't read too much into it... but Campbell didn't inspire any confidence in me. 2 INT's and around 200 yards passing (a 200 yard performance made less impressive by the fluke hail mary and his chances in OT.)
Hopefully he can build on today's game experience.
I don't think anyone's filling in his name in HOF ballots yet and there were certainly some bad plays, like missing wide open Moss. But he had some pretty passes too and was the victim of some ugly drops, like by Moss and Moss. At his age a mixed review is not a bad thing, particularly compared to a flat review.
Personally if someone had to have a bad day I'm glad it was Moss because he is the one who will be driven to correct it. And it was great to have a strong game from ARE!
Now Lloyd is starting to concern me and I've been strongly arguing not to hold a bad year against a young player switching teams without a reliable QB to throw to him. Like JC I'm not looking for perfection but the INT was ugly. Maybe Crazyhorse is right and the effort wasn't as bad as it looked, but it looked really bad. We need to see some plays that look really good for a change.
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Well what can I say about the game..
I haven't done any reading on John's injury, but when I see a grown man in such pain it is NEVER a good thing. Thank goodness Heyer had tons of play in preseason, because he looked very comfertable out there. And let me tell you, its not as easy as you think playing LT then going over to RT..we have ourselves a nice young ATHLETIC o-lineman.
Secondly, our defense stepped it up big time against the run. I also loved the play of our corners against the run, never have I seen CB's come flying at the runner so often in support.
All in all...a W is a W.
I kept my eye on Kendall. He is such a PRO and looks to be a great fit for us. Then I saw Jansen go down again.... just takes the wind our of your sail.
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