A little friday debate.... read and respond

[tcwest10]

Chazz, nobody has the right to argue your perspective. It's yours, and it's formed by opinions and experiences unique to you.
It's all good and well, and you make your point very plainly.
I have to walk away from this, because I can't relate to it, and I don't want to argue a point I really don't feel one way or the other about.
Call it social ignorance, cowardice, or whatever. I have to bow out of this.

[DEHog]

Very true...it is up to the person to decide if they are offended. You also have to look at the context in which the team was named. As I mentioned I know folks who are offended by the team name Wizards. You never know what's going to offend someone. You use the term Blackskins, my first question would be why Blackskins?? If one was truly racist would they glorify a term by naming their team after it?

[joebagadonuts]

dehog, i mentioned in a later post that i understand that the term 'redskin' may have been used by the team founders as a term of respect. does that make it any less offensive? i guess i can't say, not being a member of the offended party. it's not really 'racism' per se that seems to be the motivation for the name, but rather an implied condecending attitude, like a mascot.

i think most people on this board know better than to accept thsi as the case, and we see the name as a honorable symbol of courage and unbreakable will. others, who are not so close to the team, may not see it as such.

chazz, you didn't have your sarcasm button on, so i can't tell if you're agreeing with me or mocking me. in any case, one shouldn't confuse my willingness to see things from other peoples' perspectives with my love for the skins. they are two separate and distinct qualities, which, in my mind, do not interfere with each other. i have not said in this thread that i think the name should change. all i've been saying is that rather than telling people to sit down and shut up, that you might just try to see things how they do, whether you agree with them or not.

[DEHog]

JBD...guess my point is this. The same term can be offensive to one and not to another. Look at the N word. As a white man if I call a Blackman this he is offended, yet I see and hear Blackman call each other this all the time. I have even questioned some of my fiends about it. They say it's between them and they do not find it offensive. My poit is you have to look at the spirit in which a term is used.

In this case, from what I have learned, it was meant to be a tribute, not racist.

[joebagadonuts]

dehog, then i guess we're trying to make the same point, except one might say it differently; the same term can not be offensive to one and be offensive to another (does that make sense?). anyway, i realize that the term 'redskin' may not have been intended to be racist or demeaning. i guess i just reacted quickly to 'shut the f up' attitude that many seem to have about it.

[DEHog]

Bingo JBD...who are we to tell someone who is offended by the term Redskin that's it's not offensive!! But the same holds true for us who don't find it offensive, don't try to convince me. You can call em the white cracker honkeys and I still wouldn't be offended. If people would put has much energy into doing good as they do to express their views on the whole PC front this world would be a much better place!

[joebagadonuts]

i agree with you, dehog, and i won't try to convince you either way. it seems that the argument lies in not whether the term is offensive, but whether it's appropriate given the era we live in (political correctness and all). but you can't go around changing team names every 50 years. can't we all just get along?

man, now i feel like singing 'we are the world'!

[DEHog]

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