Why Can't We Stop The Left Side Blitz?

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:50 pm

Two pre-season games, 1 reacurring nightmare via the blindside blitz always coming free...what gives!?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:21 pm

No Portis.

LOSTHOG · Post by **LOSTHOG** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:27 pm

Countertrey wrote:No Portis.

simple but true...

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:49 pm

LOSTHOG wrote:
Countertrey wrote:No Portis.

simple but true...

That is so true. They don't seam to be keeping backs into block.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:49 pm

Still. We should be able to pick up that blitz without Portis me thinks.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:25 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Still. We should be able to pick up that blitz without Portis me thinks.

Dunno. Since that is normally the job of a running back, it seems that someone is not doing a very good job of making a read... I just know that when the running back is CP, it (the blitz) almost always gets blown up... There does not seem to ba another RB on the team that can accomplish this critical task, including Betts... recall that it was in a blitz drill that his neck was injured, as he got stuffed by Washington.

HanburgerHelper · Post by **HanburgerHelper** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:27 pm

I think this problem is very similar to the problem that Mark Rypien had in the years before his breakout season in 1991-92. He had problems sensing pressure from the backside and was prone to fumbling when he got hit. I see the same problem with Jason Campbell. They need to correct it, even if it takes keeping a TE or RB in to block.

old-timer · Post by **old-timer** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:41 pm

HanburgerHelper wrote:I think this problem is very similar to the problem that Mark Rypien had in the years before his breakout season in 1991-92. He had problems sensing pressure from the backside and was prone to fumbling when he got hit. I see the same problem with Jason Campbell. They need to correct it, even if it takes keeping a TE or RB in to block.

That problem was Lawrence Taylor and all those teams that imitated the Giants. Gibbs never solved that problem. I think we still have problems on offense dealing with the blind side blitz.

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:16 am

Last year we had one of the least amounts of sacks allowed. What has changed? No Chris Samuels, No Clinton Portis, enter Stephon Heyer who is impressing everyone but only because there are no expectations on him! Everything he can do is bonus because he's undrafted. Of all the problems to have on offense a blind side blitz liability is probably a worse fear, nothing can kill momentum like a sack/fumble going the other way.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:59 am

When Samuels gets back we should be ok. As well as Portis.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:13 am

While I agree Samuels will help greatly, we still have the hole with Dockery gone. I have this feeling that taking a career tackle and putting him in opposite guard in this case isn't the case. Whomever played vs Pitt didn't seem that bad. Maybe I was paying too much attention to the undrafted rookie getting beat or watching the running game not take off. though. We establish the run, things get better. Until then, it'll be a long year.

brain71 · Post by **brain71** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:43 am

I could be wrong but I believe the line is tought to block the inside first when overloaded. The logic being that the middle rushers have the shortest distance to the QB.
Without a RB in to pick up the blitz, the DB comes free. Perfect defense call when no backs are in the backfield.
JC needs to read it before the snap and call an audible.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:45 am

The coaches have to take some of the blame when the same things start happening over and over again.

They gotta make the correct adjustments.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:52 am

I agree, Chris. It's been 2 weeks now and the blind side is kickin our QB corps' butts. There are a few different solutions that could be implemented and inaction is NOT one of 'em. Maybe they will see that now that we had a close call.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:41 pm

brain71 wrote:JC needs to read it before the snap and call an audible.

Qb's don't audible in Saunders' offense.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:54 pm

old-timer wrote:That problem was Lawrence Taylor and all those teams that imitated the Giants. Gibbs never solved that problem. I think we still have problems on offense dealing with the blind side blitz.

I do not think that I have ever picked a fight with you but ...it is time.

Actually your statement is false. Joe Gibbs had an answer to Lawrence Taylor: Lachey and the one-back system. Our TE was really an extra blocker for the running game and a member of the pass protection scheme. And it worked.

So, elaborate if you might but I say Joe invented the one scheme that could solve the LT factor. By the way, what other team had somebody like LT??? I do not know of any.

Heyer has a longer way to go than others thought. He needs to concentrate more on his assignments.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:08 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
old-timer wrote:That problem was Lawrence Taylor and all those teams that imitated the Giants. Gibbs never solved that problem. I think we still have problems on offense dealing with the blind side blitz.

I do not think that I have ever picked a fight with you but ...it is time.

Actually your statement is false. Joe Gibbs had an answer to Lawrence Taylor: Lachey and the one-back system. Our TE was really an extra blocker for the running game and a member of the pass protection scheme. And it worked.

So, elaborate if you might but I say Joe invented the one scheme that could solve the LT factor. By the way, what other team had somebody like LT??? I do not know of any.

Heyer has a longer way to go than others thought. He needs to concentrate more on his assignments.

Agreed Ric! I also think that one of the fortunate quirks this pre season is that the 4 teams we are facing all have decent (or very good) defenses and IMO this is better than facing some of the weaker defensive teams in the games that really do not count. I think we get a better idea of some of our back-ups with the better players even though they do not play their best defensive fronts.

The O line play has not exactly been terrible - there is work to be done but we are getting a decent look at a number of guys here and we are very lucky that Campbell is not badly hurt.

I hope he can play some this week but I also would imagine there will be added ephasis on protection this week. :lol:

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:49 pm

I also would imagine there will be added ephasis on protection this week.

With Baltimore I would hope so. Of course I would've thought it was a priority this past week too.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:08 pm

How about some slide protection to the left while leaving Chris Cool

ey at home to help block. All though Cool

ey is one of our main receiving threats, if we are struggling with pass protection we have to help stop the leak somehow. Let our recievers actually do there job and get open while leaving Cool

ey in to help block until we find another solution.

Other than that I feel once Samuels is healthy it will help alot. Also a couple different formations can make all the differences we need. I am not a big fan of formations with no Rbs to help block. There are a number of possibilities to consider. I agree with Chris double L that part of this is due to coaching. Then again it is only pre-season and the season results may be alot different.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:41 am

HEROHAMO wrote:How about some slide protection to the left while leaving Chris ey at home to help block. .

And this is precisely what other teams might try to do to us to take Cool

ey out of the backfield.

We are not talking about a strength in other teams of the kind of Lawrence Taylor, we are talking about an INTERNAL weakness, which should be sorted out with Chris back or by other means. But Heyer is not ready for now. It only takes one bad sack to injure your QB for several games or worse, as we saw.

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:36 am

Isn't the whole purpose of preseason to leave guys out on an island to fend for themselves? Meaning they want to see what guys can do individually. Granted, you don't want to do it at your QB's expense but you have to see if the guy can play or not.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:00 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:How about some slide protection to the left while leaving Chris ey at home to help block. .
And this is precisely what other teams might try to do to us to take ey out of the backfield.

We are not talking about a strength in other teams of the kind of Lawrence Taylor, we are talking about an INTERNAL weakness, which should be sorted out with Chris back or by other means. But Heyer is not ready for now. It only takes one bad sack to injure your QB for several games or worse, as we saw.

Agreed Heyer is definatley not ready. I am not sure if he will ever be ready.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:09 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:How about some slide protection to the left while leaving Chris ey at home to help block. .
And this is precisely what other teams might try to do to us to take ey out of the backfield.

We are not talking about a strength in other teams of the kind of Lawrence Taylor, we are talking about an INTERNAL weakness, which should be sorted out with Chris back or by other means. But Heyer is not ready for now. It only takes one bad sack to injure your QB for several games or worse, as we saw.
Agreed Heyer is definatley not ready. I am not sure if he will ever be ready.

Dude, are you saying an undrafted rookie is NOT READY after only two preseason games??? (sarcasm)

I agree, but at least he's getting some much needed work.

What makes you think he will never be ready? Is Bugel not qualified to make that assessment?

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:16 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:How about some slide protection to the left while leaving Chris ey at home to help block. .
And this is precisely what other teams might try to do to us to take ey out of the backfield.

We are not talking about a strength in other teams of the kind of Lawrence Taylor, we are talking about an INTERNAL weakness, which should be sorted out with Chris back or by other means. But Heyer is not ready for now. It only takes one bad sack to injure your QB for several games or worse, as we saw.
Agreed Heyer is definatley not ready. I am not sure if he will ever be ready.

Dude, are you saying an undrafted rookie is NOT READY after only two preseason games??? (sarcasm)

I agree, but at least he's getting some much needed work.

What makes you think he will never be ready? Is Bugel not qualified to make that assessment?

Fair enough. It is just that he was consistently getting beat. A good indication of what may be coming. I said I was not sure if he will ever be ready. I didnt say that he will never be ready. Two different statements. I am sure Buges has plenty of time to evaluate him and will cut him if he does not progress in the next year or so. I want this guy to succeed but if our qb keeps getting killed, I will call for his head right away.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:16 pm

SkinsFreak wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:How about some slide protection to the left while leaving Chris ey at home to help block. .
And this is precisely what other teams might try to do to us to take ey out of the backfield.

We are not talking about a strength in other teams of the kind of Lawrence Taylor, we are talking about an INTERNAL weakness, which should be sorted out with Chris back or by other means. But Heyer is not ready for now. It only takes one bad sack to injure your QB for several games or worse, as we saw.
Agreed Heyer is definatley not ready. I am not sure if he will ever be ready.

Dude, are you saying an undrafted rookie is NOT READY after only two preseason games??? (sarcasm)

I agree, but at least he's getting some much needed work.

What makes you think he will never be ready? Is Bugel not qualified to make that assessment?

SF, dude, there are experts, and then there are experts. Some are more expert than others. And, some are just not ready. :wink:

[sarcasm]Clearly, Bugel, the archetect of the greatest offensive line in history, is senile. [/sarcasm]