Mike Vanderjagt

[The Hogster]

Apparently, there is a problem, but it's not with me. READ THE FOLLOWING>>>

You close with...
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However, posing the question doesn't mean that I am panicking. Re-read the first post to get my drift. Asking whether we need competition is not panick.


What the heck are you reading???

Now that you are reading more slowly, you can see that I included what I was referring to... The initial "quote" is yours. It was written in response to my initial post. Where, in my post, do I suggest you have "panicked"? Hence "What the heck are you reading?"

I'll refrain from insulting you... you should be doing that yourself.

I see your reasoning ability is lacking so I will explain it nice and slow. I never said that 'YOU' said that I panicked, but if you 'READ' the thread, you would see that other posters have used that language. Since this discussion is not just between you and I, you should understand that everything I write is not directed soley to you. I figured that could go without explanation, but I guess you didn't get it.

I hope you work on this. We are wasting bandwidth with these lessons for extra credit.

[Countertrey]

Apparently, there is a problem, but it's not with me. READ THE FOLLOWING>>>

You close with...
Quote:
However, posing the question doesn't mean that I am panicking. Re-read the first post to get my drift. Asking whether we need competition is not panick.


What the heck are you reading???

Now that you are reading more slowly, you can see that I included what I was referring to... The initial "quote" is yours. It was written in response to my initial post. Where, in my post, do I suggest you have "panicked"? Hence "What the heck are you reading?"

I'll refrain from insulting you... you should be doing that yourself.

I see your reasoning ability is lacking so I will explain it nice and slow. I never said that 'YOU' said that I panicked, but if you 'READ' the thread, you would see that other posters have used that language. Since this discussion is not just between you and I, you should understand that everything I write is not directed soley to you. I figured that could go without explanation, but I guess you didn't get it.

I hope you work on this. We are wasting bandwidth with these lessons for extra credit.

You are a riot. For the record, mods, I haven't tossed a single insult, and was attempting to discuss this reasonably.

[admin]

Why don't we confine our posts to the post, and not at taking digs at the poster... that's all the rules allow you to do unless you take it to smack.

I guess the solution for a 'better conversation' is to introduce rhetoric, post Geico caveman pictures, and to ignore any topical points that were made - sorry, my bad.

[The Hogster]

Why don't we confine our posts to the post, and not at taking digs at the poster... that's all the rules allow you to do unless you take it to smack.

I guess the solution for a 'better conversation' is to introduce rhetoric, post Geico caveman pictures, and to ignore any topical points that were made - sorry, my bad.

Yeah, as if no one noticed the comment that "I should be insulting myself"...that's not an insult at all. I get it now. I'll try to be more underhanded and snide with my 'insults' from here on.

As for topical points, I am not ignoring the fact that Vanderjagt is a jerk. I actually admit that he was known as a jerk...however, if 'jerk-status' was an absolute bar to making a roster, then people like Randy Moss, Terrell Owens etc would not have jobs.

There's always a team who thinks their "locker room leadership" can chill the effect of a wayward jerk. But no one in the league wants to touch this guy, and plenty of teams have no kicking game. It seems a bit odd.

I hope that Suisham turns into the solution.

[UK Skins Fan]

I think Suisham already is the solution. He showed that last year.

It's true that being a jerk doesn't preclude players from getting on to rosters, but neither Owens nor Moss will be arriving in Washington any time soon, and Vanderjagt is in the same category. Although he's nowhere near the player that Owens and Moss are. There are "characters", and then there are lunatics, and these three fit the latter description. No place for Vanderjagt on a Joe Gibbs team.

[BnGhog]

Hmmm

Anyone seen Jack.........Jacks off

Is jack at home............thats usually where he's at when jacks off.

Hmmm

Maybe with his time off Vanderjack has a stronger arm......I dunno how that might help his kicking....

[HEROHAMO]

Bottom line is Vanderjack sucks! He is a loser and might spread his loserness to the team.

[BossHog]

As for topical points, I am not ignoring the fact that Vanderjagt is a jerk. I actually admit that he was known as a jerk...however, if 'jerk-status' was an absolute bar to making a roster, then people like Randy Moss, Terrell Owens etc would not have jobs.

On top of explaining that he was a jerk, I added that his field goal kicking ABILITY has waned in the last two seasons, and also that he can't kick off to save his life (or job). Please don't blame everyone else that they haven't brought any substance to a conversation when it appears that you're just missing or dismissing whatever you choose to.

There's always a team who thinks their "locker room leadership" can chill the effect of a wayward jerk. But no one in the league wants to touch this guy, and plenty of teams have no kicking game. It seems a bit odd.

Not to me.

Could it not just mean that you're wrong in your impressions of the guy? And that everyone else sees what I see in Vanderjagt - which is NOTHING.

Well actually, it does mean that... whether or not you choose to see it that way is entirely up to you... otherwise, he'd have a job.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Wow, if people take chances on TO and haven't on Vanderjerk, he must be a bad dude. lol

[PulpExposure]

Wow, if people take chances on TO and haven't on Vanderjerk, he must be a bad dude. lol

Well...whatever else you might say about him, TO produces. Vanderjagt has that nice choking rep, and his regular season kicking prowess has been waning over the past few years. Just the things you want in your kicker.

[The Hogster]

As for topical points, I am not ignoring the fact that Vanderjagt is a jerk. I actually admit that he was known as a jerk...however, if 'jerk-status' was an absolute bar to making a roster, then people like Randy Moss, Terrell Owens etc would not have jobs.

On top of explaining that he was a jerk, I added that his field goal kicking ABILITY has waned in the last two seasons, and also that he can't kick off to save his life (or job). Please don't blame everyone else that they haven't brought any substance to a conversation when it appears that you're just missing or dismissing whatever you choose to.

There's always a team who thinks their "locker room leadership" can chill the effect of a wayward jerk. But no one in the league wants to touch this guy, and plenty of teams have no kicking game. It seems a bit odd.

Not to me.

Could it not just mean that you're wrong in your impressions of the guy? And that everyone else sees what I see in Vanderjagt - which is NOTHING.

Well actually, it does mean that... whether or not you choose to see it that way is entirely up to you... otherwise, he'd have a job.

Even with his marginal decline in accuracy, he is still better than many of the kickers in the league. I get it. Starting a message board makes you know everything about every player on every team. I'll hurry back to my place in the land of the know nothings.

Phase 1 of the substance abuse program is not made public to the media. The only thing that keeps talented players off of ANY nfl roster is an issue that may or may not be known by the public. Falling off a bit from being one of the most accurate kickers in history is hardly a solid justification for him not being 1 of 32 NFL rosters. Especially when the "decline" you mention is still far above several teams' kickers.

Quoting the FG percentage of one year is pretty meaningless. Suisham has only kicked 15 FG's in his entire career. That's less than Jerk boy kicked last year alone, and that was his worst season.

[BnGhog]

Accually, according to nfl.com player rankings. Vander-jerk made only 13

28 David Akers PHI K 18 23 78.3 0 47 0-0 0.0 10-9 90.0 5-3 60.0 8-6 75.0 0-0 0.0 48 48 100.0 0
28 Sebastian Janikowski OAK K 18 25 72.0 0 55 1-1 100.0 3-2 66.7 11-9 81.8 3-3 100.0 7-3 42.9 16 16 100.0 0
30 Matt Bryant TB K 17 22 77.3 0 62 0-0 0.0 8-8 100.0 3-3 100.0 9-5 55.6 2-1 50.0 22 23 95.7 1
31 Mike Vanderjagt DAL K 13 18 72.2 1 50 0-0 0.0 7-6 85.7 6-5 83.3 4-1 25.0 1-1 100.0 33 33 100.0 0
32 John Hall WAS K 9 11 81.8 0 46 0-0 0.0 3-3 100.0 4-4 100.0 4-2 50.0 0-0 0.0 9 9 100.0 0
33 Shaun Suisham WAS K 8 9 88.9 0 52 0-0 0.0 1-1 100.0 5-5 100.0 1-1 100.0 2-1 50.0 12 12 100.0 0
34 Martin Gramatica DAL K 6 8 75.0 0 48 0-0 0.0 1-1 100.0 2-2 100.0 5-3 60.0 0-0 0.0 14 14 100.0 0
35 Nick Novak WAS K 5 10 50.0 0 47 0-0 0.0 1-1 100.0 3-1 33.3 6-3 50.0 0-0 0.0 10 10 100.0 0
36 Michael Koenen ATL K 3 9 33.3 3 51 0-0 0.0 1-1 100.0 4-1 25.0 1-0 0.0 3-1 33.3 4 4 100.0 0
37 Billy Cundiff NO K 0 1 0.0 0 0 0-0 0.0 0-0 0.0 0-0 0.0 0-0 0.0 1-0 0.0 0 0 -- 0

[BnGhog]

And that 13 came from 18 att.

at least Suishams 8 came from 9 atts. and not 11 or 12 like it would have taken Vandonejacked

[UK Skins Fan]

...we ended up bringing in Novak or someone from the UK to kick for us.

My God, just imagine it.

As long as they are Scottish, we'll be ok.

Och, go and play with your bagpipes, jimmy.

[SkinsJock]

...we ended up bringing in Novak or someone from the UK to kick for us.

My God, just imagine it.

As long as they are Scottish, we'll be ok.

Och, go and play with your bagpipes, jimmy.

G'day UK! Is that where the expression "blowhard" comes from? A Scottish kicker trying to make a long kick?

[BossHog]

Even with his marginal decline in accuracy, he is still better than many of the kickers in the league.

Based on what? Your opinion? Others would have to at least look at how he performed the last time he was on a roster and see that it was not very good. I get that you think it might have been an enigma as much as a decline in talent; unfortunately for Mike, NFL talent evaluators seem to also disagree with you at the moment.

I get it. Starting a message board makes you know everything about every player on every team. I'll hurry back to my place in the land of the know nothings.

If you have something to say to me personally, then take it to smack.

Otherwise, I don't know what 'starting a message board' has to do with anything... writing a few hundred articles about the Redskins and following
the progress of EVERY Canadian in the NFL, might make me at least qualified to express my opinion if I so desire though... especially about two Canadians and a Redskins roster spot.

Phase 1 of the substance abuse program is not made public to the media. The only thing that keeps talented players off of ANY nfl roster is an issue that may or may not be known by the public. Falling off a bit from being one of the most accurate kickers in history is hardly a solid justification for him not being 1 of 32 NFL rosters.

In your opinion. Perhaps falling off in talent, and being a team cancer when you're 'only' the kicker and can't even be counted on for kick offs is actually more than enough for 32 teams all by itself. If you want to hypothesize that it MUST be due to some other unpublicized transgression, be my guest - I personally disagree. I think there's little value in bringing in ANY guy that might disrupt the locker room, let alone for a kicker that hasn't kicked very well lately, and has caused big scenes in each of his last two stops.

Quoting the FG percentage of one year is pretty meaningless. Suisham has only kicked 15 FG's in his entire career. That's less than Jerk boy kicked last year alone, and that was his worst season.

Posting the statistics from the previous season is meaningless? Come on... it does give you some sort of an indication of how the kicker kicked last year. I agree that it may not give you a 'career' picture to look at one year's data and extrapolate it, but it will at least tell you how the player performed MOST recently... and some might also argue that when a player is in his late thirties... you should always give some serious consideration to how a player played the year before.

If Washington want to bring in a kicker to compete with Shaun -- cool breeze. I just don't think it should be Vanderjagt, and for all of the reasons that I have already stated.

And for the record, even if they do - I hope Shaun earns the job.