Scrimmage

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:05 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'll take your complaints seriously when we put together two winning seasons in a row.

What a joke. You are the only one doing any whining and complaining.

I watched the scrimmage, and I was actually encouraged. And at no time did I ever expect to get a long look at the starters. :roll:

That's not what scrimmages are for. Did you really think if you went to the scrimmage you would see all our starters play?

BTW - I saw a lot of JC in the scrimmage and I thought he looked pretty good.

We have 5 QB's on the roster and your crying about not seeing JC in a SCRIMMAGE! That make a lot of sense, Chris. We need to cut down the roster and more specifically, determine which of the 5 QB's makes the 53-man roster. We know Jason is the starter, we need to see the other guys and that's what most of us expected. Oh, what the hell, forget taking a look at the other guys, let's just play JC and make an 'educated' guess as to the playability of guys like Palmer, Bramlet and Collins. That makes sooooo much sense. Brilliant.

Probably stems from the fact that you've never played organized football.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Reality check, it's not the 80's anymore, we've stunk it up pretty much for over a decade and your hair is thinning.

What does not playing the starting QB in a scrimmage have to do with the 80's? Or is taking a shot at our age the only ammo you got? I think someone needs a diaper change.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:18 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I personally don't care what any of you think about my dissapointment in the scrimmage. Truly I could not care less.

You all make it sound like I should have expected NOT to see JC when this is the 1st time in the history of the scrimmage that we did NOT see the starter play in the 11-11's.

Reality check, it's not the 80's anymore, we've stunk it up pretty much for over a decade and your hair is thinning.

I'll take your complaints seriously when we put together two winning seasons in a row.

... and I'll take your complaints seriously when something OTHER than a complaint comes out of your mouth, or isn't as ridiculously short-sighted as thinking that a scrimmage is the be-all and end-all.

If it makes you feel better to start taking juvenile pot shots like 'thinning hair' - go ahead. It looks kind of desperate and pathetic... and I struggle to see how it pertains to a post.

And I've got enough hair for both of us incidentally...

... hopefully I have enough football sense to go around too because otherwise....

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:27 am

If both Alex Smith and Matt Hasselbeck can play in just a "scrimmage", so can Jason Campbell. The seahawks had a whopping 7,000 people at their scrimmage and Hasselbeck played not one or two series but three. I don't think CLL wanted to see Campbell take all of the reps like some are making it seem. It just would have been nice to see our "green" quarterback get some reps in the 11on11. If it was too hot for him to play at all, he shouldn't have been in the 7on7 drills. I personally feel that a lot of fans came to see Campbell direct the offense and see what he can do. It's not like he was going to get hit on any play where he dropped back to pass.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:09 am

Cappster wrote:If both Alex Smith and Matt Hasselbeck can play in just a "scrimmage", so can Jason Campbell. The seahawks had a whopping 7,000 people at their scrimmage and Hasselbeck played not one or two series but three. I don't think CLL wanted to see Campbell take all of the reps like some are making it seem. It just would have been nice to see our "green" quarterback get some reps in the 11on11. If it was too hot for him to play at all, he shouldn't have been in the 7on7 drills. I personally feel that a lot of fans came to see Campbell direct the offense and see what he can do. It's not like he was going to get hit on any play where he dropped back to pass.

Dude, don't even bother. They know that I didn't want JC to take all the reps. They just wanna do what I've been doing and that's whine.

BossHog wrote:If it makes you feel better to start taking juvenile pot shots like 'thinning hair' - go ahead. It looks kind of desperate and pathetic... and I struggle to see how it pertains to a post.

And I've got enough hair for both of us incidentally...

... hopefully I have enough football sense to go around too because otherwise....

I've seen you, I know your hair isn't thinning....not too sure about others tho. :lol:

That comment wasn't for you specifically. It was just saying that people are stuck in the past.

I'm sorry but I can't fake like I enjoyed success with this team. They've done nothing but suck since I've been watching. So when you fall back on your memories of grange, I fall back to my memories of Norv Turner.

BossHog wrote:... and I'll take your complaints seriously when something OTHER than a complaint comes out of your mouth

We've had this discussion before. I've had my share of times of sipping on the B&G juice. I know for a fact that a vast majority of my posts over the years have been positive. My negativity didn't start until last years joke of a season.

In regards to the scrimmage, how I feel is how I feel, I posted what I felt. If anyone doesn't like it, they can stop reading and/or replying to anything I say.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:15 am

Actually San Fran and Seattle both played INTRASQUAD games - they didn't even face another team.

Jason practiced with the team on Friday and will again today, so if we have any 11-on-11's at practice, I guess we can call it a scratch...

Let me point out that there's NOTHING wrong with WANTING to see Campbell play - that's fine - but fretting that he didn't is just ridiculous in my opinion... especially in the heat trap they were in. I've been to M&T in the sweltering heat... it's unbearable in there... I can't believe people would actually complain about using some discretion. Only in D.C.

Let's talk about continuity a bit too... the ONLY starting o-lineman that played was Todd Wade - and that's because he needs to learn his new position... Rabach, Jansen , Thomas and (obviously) Samuels didn't play either. Clinton Portis? Santana Moss? A.R.E? uh uh.

So where is the continuity? The off instant that our entire offense went down with injuries? Why not play in 141 degree heat and then you might need some of those back-ups sooner than later.

DE Trevor Pryce of the Baltimore Ravens called Saturday's proceedings a "dress rehearsal for a dress rehearsal."

I think that sums up the 'importance' of the scrimmage.

What ever will we do without that? :hmm:

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:41 am

Dress rehearsal it may be, but some guys were wearing yellow socks so what u think about that?

No, really Im not going to go on and on fretting about it over and over again But Im going to my 2 cents in.

I think the entire first string should have played a couple of reps in the 11 on 11. So jus cause we know Campbell is the starter, that means he don't need practice, and the rest of our first string guys too. Right, maybe we shouldn't let them practice all week either because its too hot and we don't need them getting hurt. Besides, Im sure the A/C had it a lot cooler over on the sidelines than on the field.

I jus think it wouldn't have hurt the guys go get out their for a couple of plays. I guess we should wait till the last preseason or even the first game of the season, for guys to get any real reps, and Im sure if someone was to get hurt, it would be better for them to get hurt at the last preseason game or the first game of the season than it would be for them go get hurt now or at the first preseason game.

Anyway, Im just glad no one got hurt and I hope they don't at all. JC I thought did do well in the 7on7 But I would have liked to have seen the first string out their, to get some reps in at full speed. I think they could use the practice, I can't hurt, and its not like they are the best in the NFL and need no practice.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:43 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
BossHog wrote:If it makes you feel better to start taking juvenile pot shots like 'thinning hair' - go ahead. It looks kind of desperate and pathetic... and I struggle to see how it pertains to a post.

And I've got enough hair for both of us incidentally...

I've seen you, I know your hair isn't thinning....not too sure about others tho. That comment wasn't for you specifically.

Actually it really doesn't matter to whom it was directed... the fact is that it was directed at any poster and not at a post is all that matters. And the fact of the matter is that there's just no correlation between baldness and what someone knows about the Redskins. I'd also suggest that my own personal observations are that the older a fan gets, the less short-sighted they become. Senior fans are less likely to make mountains out of mole hills... not as a rule... but often times, and that's just an observation of my own.

So to be frank, I can't wait for some of you to lose your hair and gain some much needed perspective. :twisted:

Because IMO, viewing something as insignificant as a scrimmage at the beginning of August as a tell-tale sign of disaster to come, is just senseless.

Just because the modern era of today journalism puts you in the front seat of everything that goes on, doesn't make it all that important. I've never heard a coach put a lick of importance in anything in preseason except for maybe the first half of each of the last two preseason games (The only time that starters really PLAY). Being able to watch or having to pay for an NFL event doesn't make it important by virtue of doing so.

CLL wrote:We've had this discussion before. I've had my share of times of sipping on the B&G juice. I know for a fact that a vast majority of my posts over the years have been positive. My negativity didn't start until last years joke of a season.

Right... you developed the reputation through repeated non-incidents. My bad.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:00 am

BossHog wrote:Right... you developed the reputation through repeated non-incidents. My bad.

Oh no, don't wanna mess up my E-rep. Before I was too die hard, now I'm too pessimistic. Hopefully at the end of the 2007 season I'll find a happy median for audience. I go all out for the team at the games, that is what matters.

You're making the stuff I've said sound worse than I intended, it almost vaguely seems like you're trying to teach me some sort of mountain meet mole hill lesson. Reverse psychology... But I doubt it. :lol:

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:29 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Dude, don't even bother. They know that I didn't want JC to take all the reps. They just wanna do what I've been doing and that's whine.

A classic example "projecting". Alleging a particular behavior in someone else that is actually inherent in themselves.

Whatever. :roll:

Please show me any "complaints" I've made in this thread or any other thread.

:roll:

The "thinning hair" comment must be your way of conceding that some of us are older, wiser, accomplished and far more mature. And by the way, I have a full head of hair, thank you. Ironically, I've seen your picture, and your one to talk about a "lack of hair". :lol:

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Anyway, back on topic, a lot of talk today about RB Marcus Mason and his chances of making the squad after his showing in the scrimmage. He did look decent, although I think the o-line should get much of the credit for that. I thought they were getting a nice push all day. I think Bugel has got these guys focused and determined. I can't wait to see Portis and Betts behind this o-line. I strongly believe the o-line will build off of last year and will continue to dominate in the trenches this year.

Post by **admin** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:37 am

Come on now... no personal attacks. Contain your posts to the post and not the poster. Two wrongs don't make a right. One poster breaking the rules doesn't open the door for you to do the same thing. :-)

Let's try and keep it on topic and put the name calling, and hair judgments behind us, or take it to Smack. Thanks.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:54 am

Agreed.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:57 am

Definitely agreed.

Like I said in an earlier post, I was delighted to see the defense swarming to the ball. That stood out big time for me, even the 2nd and 3rd string guys were flying around.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:29 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Like I said in an earlier post, I was delighted to see the defense swarming to the ball. That stood out big time for me, even the 2nd and 3rd string guys were flying around.

I agree with that assessment, Chris. I thought the d-line, specifically, was getting a good push as well. We would've had several sacks in that scrimmage if they were allowed to hit the QB.

Gibbs' Hog · Post by **Gibbs' Hog** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:43 am

Wow, who would have thought so much animosity could come from a simple scrimmage discussion?

Personally, the scrimmage ended up being exactly what I expected - a scrimmage. It's a bunch of guys taking it relatively easy, trying to show off their speed, dedication, and gusto. Run some drills, make a few hits, try to impress the coaches - that's all I expected to see from the players and that's basically what we got.

There were no real clock management issues, a few should-be sacks and big hits that didn't occur, and an apparent lack of true 'fire' that you see from guys on a real game day - but I didn't care. I got to see some Redskins football (albeit, not anything close to what I expect when the Fins arrive in town).

Bottom line: it was nice to get a glimpse of the Skins before the (pre) season starts. I'll leave it at that.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:52 am

Gibbs' Hog wrote:Wow, who would have thought so much animosity could come from a simple scrimmage discussion?

Don't worry, we've already kissed and made up. :lol:

SkinsFreak wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Like I said in an earlier post, I was delighted to see the defense swarming to the ball. That stood out big time for me, even the 2nd and 3rd string guys were flying around.

I agree with that assessment, Chris. I thought the d-line, specifically, was getting a good push as well. We would've had several sacks in that scrimmage if they were allowed to hit the QB.

It was so hard to see everything. Jake had us down at the 2 yard line, so everything was kinda level with us. That and the fact that 3 things were going on at once didn't make it easy to follow everything. How did Montgomery do?

EasyMoney · Post by **EasyMoney** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:03 pm

I've watched it twice now. I didn't get to see Bramlet or Palmer play the first time (I had to go to a wedding) so I decided to give it another look see. After the 2nd time watching it I realized how bad the coverage actually was. Hearing about James Thrash catching bombs for TD's while McNair was throwing 5 yard outs was disappointing. I would have liked to at least seen a couple of these throws. "Home of the Raven's or not" couldn't they be just a little less biased? MASN is terrible and I'm not sure I'll ever watch a televised scrimmage from B-More again.

I didn't expect to see much from any of the starters so I guess my original expectations of what I was actually going to see were tempered.

I liked what I saw from Jason in 7 on 7's. Checking down 2 or 3 times, running when nothing was available, etc. He did throw a lot of dump off (Brunell-esque) passes but he did have trouble with that in a few games last year. He looks improved there.

The individual drills were fun to watch. #71 (I think) was impressive. He was throwing whoever it was on the Ravens around like a rag doll. When they had just him going up against 5 offensive linemen (albeit it was just the center or guard blocking him) he was still getting penetration.

11 on 11's were decent to watch. #94 (Montgomery I believe) showed flashes of dominance. I can remember at least two plays where he would've caused a broken play or pushed the QB into a sack. Golston looked ok. The most impressive player on the defensive side was easily London Fletcher. He was everywhere. If he keeps that up all of us are going to be happy. The offense was generally pretty boring. Blaylock & Mason looked good. Blaylock moreso than Mason but its hard to get excited about 3rd and 4th string guys. The good news about that is our 2nd & 3rd string O line guys are doing a good job.

I'm going to reiterate the sentiment of CLL & SkinsFreak. The defense is swarming to the ball again. I really didn't understand why our defense just stopped doing that last year. I remember GW saying that it was so important in his first years here and it looked like they just got away from that last year. Either way I'm happy to see that it's back.

Hooligan · Post by **Hooligan** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:13 pm

EasyMoney wrote:The individual drills were fun to watch. #71 (I think) was impressive. He was throwing whoever it was on the Ravens around like a rag doll. When they had just him going up against 5 offensive linemen (albeit it was just the center or guard blocking him) he was still getting penetration.

#71 is shared by Todd Wade and Bryant Shaw. I'm guessing you're talking about Shaw since he's a DE? Undrafted rookie signed by the Cowboys in 2000 (ugh). From '01 to '06 he's only played in the AFL or NFL Europe and was cut from the Lions' training camp. We sent him to NFL Europe in '06. He's 6'3'' 287 lbs and 29 years old.

EasyMoney · Post by **EasyMoney** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:27 pm

Hooligan wrote:
EasyMoney wrote:The individual drills were fun to watch. #71 (I think) was impressive. He was throwing whoever it was on the Ravens around like a rag doll. When they had just him going up against 5 offensive linemen (albeit it was just the center or guard blocking him) he was still getting penetration.

#71 is shared by Todd Wade and Bryant Shaw. I'm guessing you're talking about Shaw since he's a DE? Undrafted rookie signed by the Cowboys in 2000 (ugh). From '01 to '06 he's only played in the AFL or NFL Europe and was cut from the Lions' training camp. We sent him to NFL Europe in '06. He's 6'3'' 287 lbs and 29 years old.

I had never seen nor heard about this guy. He's obviously a longshot to make the roster but for the few seconds my girlfriend watched she noticed it too and made a couple comments.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:04 pm

He did ok in NFL Europe but not great. He plays with passion which is nice to see. A Salevea type of guy.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:49 pm

I caught a replay of the scrimmage today (I missed the original airing), and I must say, even this late, that the cries that "we sucked" or our team didn't show up seemed unfounded to me. Given what it was, I think we saw some pretty good performances from some players, definitely some revealing moments from others. . .but overall it didn't seem like too bad of a day for the Skins. (For example, how about the defense holding the Ravens after they marched to the 4 yard line?)

My 2 cents

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:33 am

Irn-Bru wrote:I caught a replay of the scrimmage today (I missed the original airing), and I must say, even this late, that the cries that "we sucked" or our team didn't show up seemed unfounded to me. Given what it was, I think we saw some pretty good performances from some players, definitely some revealing moments from others. . .but overall it didn't seem like too bad of a day for the Skins. (For example, how about the defense holding the Ravens after they marched to the 4 yard line?)

basically whoever was covering demetrius williams should be cut, and we all better pray campbell doesn't get hurt. That's what i gathered.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:16 am

brad7686 wrote:basically whoever was covering demetrius williams should be cut, and we all better pray campbell doesn't get hurt. That's what i gathered.

I guess I was seeing a bit more than that, then. . .

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:50 am

My camera died on me so I only got one decent shot.