Clinton Portis, Mike Vick, and the Washington Redskins

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:20 am

Fios eating pizza will make you fat. That willl defile your temple. you need to be fired.

I'm soooooo fired!!

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:23 am

Smithian wrote:If Clinton Portis was telling the truth, then why doesn't Gibbs himself say, "Alright, good job, now go snitch."

Probably because he understands that these things aren't his business, either.

Smithian wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:Tangential and irrelevant: If you think that Portis doesn't make too much money, I want you to think about the thousands of homeless people who won't get a dinner tonight, and if you still don't care you are a sick and disgusting human being.

Very good point for a different day.

Actually, I don't think that it was a good point, which is why I posted it. You are making this into a polarized issue by saying that everyone who doesn't actively go after X unfairness must be condoning or supportive of it.

Some people, myself included, think that this strategy of "doing something about it" isn't the best way to handle social problems. It's chaotic and driven by passion, not justice, which results in far worse problems than the ones anyone was trying to solve originally.

A level-headed case against Vick can be made. Portis, though, is only going to suffer (if he does) because too many people like to tell others what they can and can't do or think, and the fact that he doesn't play along with that attitude made him a target. It's a mistake that I'm sure he won't repeat often, if ever again.

screwgun · Post by **screwgun** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:45 am

BossHog wrote:Hello Mr. Dead Horse...

... do you mind if we flog you some more?

hear , hear , I couldn't agree with you more ! Give it a rest already

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:03 am

I decided to post here to announce in protest that I am not going to post in this thread anymore. :hmm:

And anybody that posts after me here will receive curses and condemnations from all the good and evil forces existing in the universe on their way down to eternal damnation.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:07 am

Omnipotent Canadians scare me. Please stop. :hail:

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:25 am

Will the Evil forces pay me a visit now.

You see, this will aid me in my quest to defeat all evil forces, if they will just come to me.
The Dark side must be destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!!

SeanTaylorJr. · Post by **SeanTaylorJr.** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:29 am

lets cut the guy who posted this, it is a low integrity thread that we don't want to be associated with

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:31 pm

BossHog wrote:I personally use Nancy Grace as a barometer for everything, so I certainly understand. Her level headed, unbiased journalism makes me tune in every night.

Nancy Grace is more ready than myself to throw Vick to the wolves. I didn't mean I listened so much to her but the people she had on the show, from both sides.

What made an impact on me is the different people who are experts on dog fighting who described what happens in full detail. That stuff is sick and disgusting and common sense pretty much points to a good point that Portis was involved in this.

If Portis has info on dog fighting, how is it different from someone having knowledge about where murders take place and not telling? It is an illegal activity that is intensely, cruel, and generally unspeakable.

Portis condoned Vick of doing what he wants, and if he is found guilty, then Portis either needs to make another apology where he flat out apologizes for his earlier comments. His first apology had more of just saying, "Oh sorry my image is hurt. I won't say anything bad again."

Why won't Portis separate himself from those comments? I am very black-white on this issue. That to me proves he condones dog fighting.

Anyways, Boss, everything you have responded to this thread and my comments is sarcasm. Considering you're at this point informed at dog fighting, what do you think of Portis's original comments considering Portis found it humorous?

To the post infront of me, there are other posters on this board who feel this way, but I have zero problem posting my thoughts even though most people take this as a hilarious joke.

Plus, anyone who has seen Chris Samuels's apology, I would appreciate it if you linked it here. Thanks.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:36 pm

Sorry I laughed.
-Chris Samuels

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:37 pm

JansenFan wrote:Sorry I laughed.
-Chris Samuels

About the equal of Portis's comments. Like I mentioned somewhere else, he was thinking about his undeserved Pro Bowl trip probably.

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:50 pm

Smithian wrote:If Portis has info on dog fighting, how is it different from someone having knowledge about where murders take place and not telling? It is an illegal activity that is intensely, cruel, and generally unspeakable.

I don't get where you think Portis is privy to all this knowledge of dogfighting. In fact, here is a Portis quote:

Just being thrown out into the fire over something that I had nothing to do with. If I'm going to get into trouble it's going to be something I do, it's going to be something that I'm involved in, it ain't going to be for nobody else.

I agree that Portis doesn't seem to really "get" why dogfighting is so cruel, but that's not a Clinton Portis specific problem, and crucifying him hardly seems fair.

Here is my problem with your post - you waited until the grisly execution details came out. The problems with what Portis said haven't changed - why didn't we get this post last week? Shouldn't you have been just as outraged at Portis then?

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:54 pm

Please tell me how on earth that you were able to make the leap of faith that "common sense pretty much points to a good point that Portis was involved in this"?

I sure don't see it that way.

If you want to throw the guy under the bus for saying something really, really stupid - that's your prerogative.

And don't even pretend to know what my feelings are. I am a dog lover and owner and have been all of my life. i think anyone who has been around long enough will even remember how very, very tough it was for me when I put my Rotty down a few years ago.

Suddenly I condone dog fighting because I don't think Portis should be absolutely stapled to the wall for making some real dumb comments months ago?

Your leap of faith, not mine.

If you're so concerned about what my opinion on the matter is, why don't you read the original threads on the topic? I said my piece WHEN IT HAPPENED. And in my opinion, there is nothing new to change anything as it PERTAINS TO CLINTON PORTIS.

I have never once condoned what Clinton said, in fact I was quite vocal about how stupid I thought his comments were, but as I said originally in this thread... I think you're flogging a dead horse. You seem to think that the more grave the actual dog fighting ring is revealed to be, that somehow that it changes Clinton's involvement. I disagree.

I don't see it that way at all... never will. What's said is said and can't be changed - but there's no reason at all to make this out to be more heinous for Clinton. It's not like he's continuing to rant and rave about the merits of dog fighting... it's not like Clinton has somehow now been implicated in the fighting... it's just a dead issue as far as CP goes. (for me it is anyway)

Which is why I said that it was like flogging a dead horse. If you want to take my sarcasm personally, go ahead... won't change anything... won't be the last time either.

... especially when someone's citing Nancy Grace for their reference point. Sorry you're obviously offended, but I won't apologize for having an opinion and expressing it. Man up. No rules were broken, you weren't called a name or sworn at... I don't do sensitivity training, sorry.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:14 pm

Smithian wrote:That stuff is sick and disgusting and common sense pretty much points to a good point that Portis was involved in this.

Leap one.

If Portis has info on dog fighting, how is it different from someone having knowledge about where murders take place and not telling? It is an illegal activity that is intensely, cruel, and generally unspeakable.

Did you hear the original interview? Portis said that it's ubiquitous where he grew up. If cops want to bust up dog-fighting rings down there that badly, they don't need Portis phoning in all of the locations.

Portis condoned Vick of doing what he wants, and if he is found guilty, then Portis either needs to make another apology where he flat out apologizes for his earlier comments.

Leap two.

Why won't Portis separate himself from those comments? I am very black-white on this issue. That to me proves he condones dog fighting.

If I were Portis I wouldn't separate myself from those comments any more than he has. Also, I don't condone dog fighting. :shock:

Excuse me while I disappear in a cloud of self-contradiction.

That's leap three, by the way. I'm out. . .

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:22 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote:The problems with what Portis said haven't changed - why didn't we get this post last week? Shouldn't you have been just as outraged at Portis then?

I at that point was ignorant to the facts of dog fighting. The extent.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:26 pm

Smithian wrote:
Steve Spurrier III wrote:The problems with what Portis said haven't changed - why didn't we get this post last week? Shouldn't you have been just as outraged at Portis then?
I at that point was ignorant to the facts of dog fighting. The extent.

Come off it, what, did you think they gave the dogs gloves and ring girls massaged them between rounds? :roll:

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:54 pm

BnGhog wrote:Fios eating pizza will make you fat.

Dangit!! And here I thought I was fighting the battle of the bulge by watching what I eat. Now I have to worry about what HE'S eating, too???!!! That's it Fios, it's only thin crust, veggie lover's pies from now on!!! :evil:

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:12 pm

Fios wrote:
Smithian wrote:
Steve Spurrier III wrote:The problems with what Portis said haven't changed - why didn't we get this post last week? Shouldn't you have been just as outraged at Portis then?
I at that point was ignorant to the facts of dog fighting. The extent.

Come off it, what, did you think they gave the dogs gloves and ring girls massaged them between rounds?

I understood it was horrible, but not that bad.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:24 pm

BnGhog wrote:Will the Evil forces pay me a visit now.

You see, this will aid me in my quest to defeat all evil forces, if they will just come to me.
The Dark side must be destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!!

bring it, bitch! :lowblow:

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:45 pm

Sounds like a PETA member

CcHhDd · Post by **CcHhDd** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:08 pm

This post is rediculous... i see one of two options

1. We cut you and you are banned from TheHogs.net

2. You apologize to skins nation for even the thought of cutting clinton portis. You submit to random testing of salary cap ramifications of cutting clinton portis. You must then show that you know the difference between a joke and being serious.... first test comes now.. this reply is

A.. A joke
B.. Serious
C. Please let training camp start tommorow so these posts will be flooded out with real football chatter

warpath1410 · Post by **warpath1410** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:36 pm

this guy is a cowgirl fan, there are many qoute to support my theory.

HailSkins2007 · Post by **HailSkins2007** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:01 pm

warpath1410 wrote:this guy is a cowgirl fan, there are many qoute to support my theory.

I dont think hes a Cowgirls fan, eww. but I dont think hes a true skins fan. Portis was being stupid and he had know clue Vick was doing that kinda stuff. He said he was sorry and thats it!

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:33 am

warpath1410 wrote:this guy is a cowgirl fan, there are many qoute to support my theory.

Below the belt.

warpath1410 · Post by **warpath1410** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:58 pm

sorry

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:48 pm

BossHog wrote:Hello Mr. Dead Horse...

... do you mind if we flog you some more?

That's a good one, but not as good as this:

Lets just "let sleeping dogs lie"