pukes cut rivera

Skins2daGrave · Post by **Skins2daGrave** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:21 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

surprised nobody made this thread by now. i know somebody is going to bring it up....should we?

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:51 pm

Question is does he have anything left in the tank?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:20 pm

It depends on his back. if it can hold up then why not.

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:38 pm

Well if he is healthy, I wouldnt mind seeing him on the squad.

SeanTaylorJr. · Post by **SeanTaylorJr.** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:32 pm

y ai agree, if healthy why not, plus he is at a position of need, and wouldnt be too costly

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:31 am

What were the Cowboys thinking? There is no depth on their line! I can't wait until we play them!

forskins · Post by **forskins** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:25 am

Redskins Rule wrote:What were the Cowboys thinking? There is no depth on their line! I can't wait until we play them!

They were thinking a cap hit of 5 mil+ is a bit high for a backup guard with a bad back?

Oh wait, only Danny-boy does that.

and yes, they do have backup in place with McQuistan, Proctor, among others.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:43 pm

and yes, they do have backup in place with McQuistan, Proctor, among others.

Who are they?

laradioken · Post by **laradioken** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:30 pm

Back surgery is tough to recover from

forskins · Post by **forskins** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:12 am

Redskins Rule wrote:
and yes, they do have backup in place with McQuistan, Proctor, among others.

Who are they?

It's called depth, and unless you are Danny Snyder who overspends or trades draft picks for depth positions, you usually don't know thier names.

So go ahead and sign the old broken-down Guard with a bad back for 2-3 mil salary instead of testing out younger depth.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:50 am

forskins wrote:It's called depth, and unless you are Danny Snyder who overspends or trades draft picks for depth positions, you usually don't know thier names.

So go ahead and sign the old broken-down Guard with a bad back for 2-3 mil salary instead of testing out younger depth.

What does Daniel Snyder have to do with a Marco Rivera thread?

Right... nothing. Stop flaming threads and keep them on topic.

From our rules:

6. Flaming... will not be tolerated and is defined as follows: Any post in a thread that addresses a poster directly, does not have anything to do with the original post or whose sole purpose is to illicit a negative response from other members of the site.

forskins · Post by **forskins** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:05 am

Roger that Boss.

My post was in response to RR's post of keeping him around for depth. To answer his question of "what were they thinking?"

The thinking of the Cowboys in this case was unlike the usual history of said owner. It's a comparison so to speak.

The point is, keeping a broken down vet for the salary of a starter is not smart spending of your salary cap. Rivera's demise was projected after his last back surgery. This isn't really a shock to anyone familar with the Cowboys.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:29 am

forskins wrote:Roger that Boss.

My post was in response to RR's post of keeping him around for depth. To answer his question of "what were they thinking?"

The thinking of the Cowboys in this case was unlike the usual history of said owner. It's a comparison so to speak.

The point is, keeping a broken down vet for the salary of a starter is not smart spending of your salary cap. Rivera's demise was projected after his last back surgery. This isn't really a shock to anyone familar with the Cowboys.

I don't really much care what your logic was... it's still flaming when it has nothing to do with the thread topic.

Talking about an owner 'struggling' with the cap is a bit of a joke when those of us paying attention remember FULLY that Rivera's contract was an EXPERIMENTAL type of contract that was FRONT loaded instead of back-loaded.

And now we know exactly why other teams and their owners don't go the route that Jones did... if the player has serious injury ssues, it just costs a boatload of money that you can't get out of... a la Rivera.

So front loading the contract was what 'wasn't smart', not 'keeping a broken down vet for the salary of a starter'. That was a serious faux pas from management on contract decisions, and one I'm sure that they regret.

But I'll address the flaming aspect of your post too, because it's also just plain false.

Since you seem to lack, but need the knowledge, I'll give it to you... If I asked you to name a Redskin o-line backup that is overpaid, or 'kept as a broken down vet for the salary of a starter'... you couldn't name one... because we don't have any. As a matter of fact, Three of our leading back-up candidates qualify for the veteran league minimum rule and you just CAN'T get a better Cap deal than that...

Jason Fabini - league vet min - paid $720k but only counts $482K
Ross Tucker - league vet min - paid $600k but only counts $482K
Mike Pucillo - league vet min - paid $600k but only counts $482K

That's 3 backups for a cap hit of $1.5M dollars.

forskins · Post by **forskins** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:15 am

Questioning your response to the "flaming" portion of your post. OK, so that position is settled. I wasn't referring to the handling of that one position when addressing the salary cap strategies of said owner. What's the salary cap space of the Redskins these days? Cowboys? The comparison was to the owner's overall history with the team BTW.

Has Jones made bad calls, yes, but the decision to release Rivera and Fabini for that matter aren't examples of one.

About Rivera, you are correct. The boys did roll the dice on that deal and it fell flat. Hey it happens. We he retires, then the Cowboys are mostly off the hook anyhow. To say that it wasn't smart to release him is not accurate however.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:31 am

forskins wrote:
Redskins Rule wrote:
and yes, they do have backup in place with McQuistan, Proctor, among others.

Who are they?

It's called depth, and unless you are Danny Snyder who overspends or trades draft picks for depth positions, you usually don't know thier names.

So go ahead and sign the old broken-down Guard with a bad back for 2-3 mil salary instead of testing out younger depth.

No need to get all upset. I was just asking who those guys were! You seemed so sure that they were really good players so I wanted to know more about them. Since you dodged my question...............I'm gonna stick to my point that your team was stupid to let Rivera go! YOU HAVE NO DEPTH THERE!

forskins · Post by **forskins** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:30 am

Redskins Rule wrote:
forskins wrote:
Redskins Rule wrote:
and yes, they do have backup in place with McQuistan, Proctor, among others.

Who are they?

It's called depth, and unless you are Danny Snyder who overspends or trades draft picks for depth positions, you usually don't know thier names.

So go ahead and sign the old broken-down Guard with a bad back for 2-3 mil salary instead of testing out younger depth.

No need to get all upset. I was just asking who those guys were! You seemed so sure that they were really good players so I wanted to know more about them. Since you dodged my question...............I'm gonna stick to my point that your team was stupid to let Rivera go! YOU HAVE NO DEPTH THERE!

Who's upset? Maybe Boss Hog at me, but, that's nothing new.

You obviously can't look past the point where Rivera failed his end of season physical and had yet another back surgery. Yeah, I'm gonna pay that guy 3+ mil a year to sit on the bench! That there sir would be a waste of cap space. The guy is probably going to retire anyhow or at least he should.

Depth is what you create out of Training Camp when the free agents and draft picks duke it out for a spot. Or you can find a diamond in the rough as the Cowboys did with Marc Columbo last year at tackle.

So who is on the Roster right now that are candidates for depth at Guard? Pat McQuistan who is having a tremendous offseason who some even predict can start over Kosier. Berger and Procter are also in the mix as well. Guess what, they are all playing for the Vet Min, just like your fantastic depth, who includes a Cowboy castoff.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:08 am

Wow! You answered my questions at least to some extent as to who they were! That only took a week! And those guys suck!

Let me get this straight.............you cut a guy that you knew was breaking and was on either his last or second to last season and don't get someone good enough to take his place? No offense dude. But, that is dumb! You guys need a new GM or something.

forskins · Post by **forskins** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:16 am

Redskins Rule wrote:Wow! You answered my questions at least to some extent as to who they were! That only took a week! And those guys suck!

Let me get this straight.............you cut a guy that you knew was breaking and was on either his last or second to last season and don't get someone good enough to take his place? No offense dude. But, that is dumb! You guys need a new GM or something.

Did you forget that whole Leanord Davis deal? He replaced
Rivera. He's not going to play tackle or anything. No keeping a broken back Guard at a back-up 3 mil would be dumb.

Rivera was a starter, we was released and his STARTER SALARY went with him. The same depth at the guard position last year is mostly still in play this year. Minus Fabini, who the Redskins picked from the trash heap.