Portis doesn' t always have to have an opinion

[Redskin in Canada]

Tha Associated Press issued a Press Release with an interview entitled:

Portis changes dog fighting stance

Clinton says among other things:

"A couple of weeks ago, when I made those comments, I didn't understand the seriousness behind it," Portis said. "I didn't know it would affect that many people, didn't think what I said was that offensive. But after doing research and seeing how serious people take this, I shouldn't have made the comments."

No kidding.

But this interview closes that chapter and he gives no room for further critcism. Vick, on the other hand, is in very deep stuff.

[SkinsFreak]

Yeah, definitely a good interview. I actually thought parts of the interview were pretty funny; especially the part about the lady at the airport with her dog and Portis said he was looking around for cameras. That was good. And Portis does make a good point regarding how the media edits the interviews to get bigger shock value from the public. Not saying he shouldn't have said those things; just that we don't see and understand everything sometimes. I think most folks with any sort of common sense knew he wasn't supporting that crap.

Anyway, I still love Portis and have full confidence in him, he's going to have a huge year.

[Smithian]

"I had no idea the love that people have for animals or didn't consider it when I made those comments," Portis said. "I'm not even a pets man. I've got a fish -- that's the easiest thing to keep up. I've never been into dogs, never dealt with dogs, don't like playing with dogs. But at the same time there's a lot of people who are crazy over pets."

Does he not realize a lot of people feel as angry about child abuse as they do animal abuse? In MANY eyes, that is no worse than had Vick had kids beating eachother up and then Portis said, "I didn't know some people liked kids so much, but there are people liking them." Also, Portis, you KNEW you wouldn't say that about kids, why say it about dogs? For a laugh? You and Samuels are hilarious.

I don't feel like that, but many do. Even if those are his feelings, he sould of lied and been like, "Oh, I didn't know it was that bad, I apologize." Instead, that fool goes and says what he did about not saying it if he knew he would get in trouble. GREAT WAY to represent the organization, Clinton, just GREAT.

Portis said Tuesday that he'll be more judicious before offering an opinion that might come back to dog him.

Oh, so you SUPPORT dog fighting, but wouldn't say that if you knew people would care? It will NOT blow over and many people will hate you for a long time over that. I'll laugh my butt off when fans give you hell on the road for those comments and you will deserve it all.

Plus, since it was so funny about that woman's dog in the airport, maybe you should have stolen that woman's dog so you and your komrade Vick could have had that dog put in a dog fighting arena as well. She probably couldn't have done somthing, but I GUARANTEE there are tougher people than you and I who would have no problems beating the living feces out of you behind close doors so you can experience some of what dogs go through in that stuff.

I bet you 99% right now that guys like Jon Jansen, Jason Campbell, Ladell Betts, Chris ey, Marcus Washington, Carlos Rogers, Randy Thomas, James Thrash, and Mike Sellers on this very team don't feel like that. I bet you Joe Gibbs and Dan Snyder do not feel like that. I will guess great guys in sports right now like Shaq, Dwyane Wade, Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, Tomlinson, Tom Brady, Tim Duncan, LeBron James.

I bet you ART MONK did not feel like you and Art Monk is on a level of greatness that Clinton Portis will NEVER reach.

[Chris Luva Luva]

In MANY eyes, that is no worse than had Vick had kids beating eachother up and then Portis said, "I didn't know some people liked kids so much, but there are people liking them." Also, Portis, you KNEW you wouldn't say that about kids, why say it about dogs? For a laugh? You and Samuels are hilarious.

There's no way I'd ever feel that way. Kids and dogs on the same level?
If I run your dog over with my car by mistake, should I get an involuntary manslaughter charge?

I bet you ART MONK did not feel like you and Art Monk is on a level of greatness that Clinton Portis will NEVER reach.

And this is the issue I have with this situation...
If Brett FArve
If Pitman
If Peyton
If Jon
If Shaq
If Jordan
If Kobe
If Gibbs


Who doesn't have some skeletons in their closet? I GUARANTEE that if we were able to expose every athelete for all of their deeds, we'd hate them all.

If I was able to pull your skeletons out of the closet, people would hate you to some extent. Some would hate me.

You say that it'll take a long time for people to forgive him and I just don't get that and I think it's unfair. If you our anyone else got blasted for something you'd be begging for forgiveness and a CHANCE to right your wrongs also.

But being hateful and spiteful is the cool thing to do now. Or maybe I'm too quick to forgive people and give them a chance. Maybe I'm too understanding...

[Irn-Bru]

If I run your dog over with my car by mistake, should I get an involuntary manslaughter charge?

Well, since you are condoning running over dogs with cars, I don't see how your opinion is worth anything on the subject anyway.

In fact, I don't recall a SINGLE instance on this message board where you condemned people for running over dogs with cars, CLL. I can't believe you are a kid torturer.

Now excuse me while I finish this cheeseburger. . .you CHILD KILLER.

[Chris Luva Luva]

If I run your dog over with my car by mistake, should I get an involuntary manslaughter charge?

Well, since you are condoning running over dogs with cars, I don't see how your opinion is worth anything on the subject anyway.

In fact, I don't recall a SINGLE instance on this message board where you condemned people for running over dogs with cars, CLL. I can't believe you are a kid torturer.

Now excuse me while I finish this cheeseburger. . .you CHILD KILLER.

OMG, I hope nobody takes me behind closed doors and runs me over with a car so that I can experience what it feels like to be hit by a car. (I realize I just set myself up for failure )

[Fios]

Uh no ... I just realized I've never condemned genocide ... crap.

[Irn-Bru]

I'm also pretty sure that you've never denied the non-existence of the holocaust. For shame. . .

[Cappster]

I won't be getting rid of my Portis jersey anytime soon!! What he needs to do is donate some money to some animal shelter/orginization to "show" his love for animals. The bad thing is even if he does do that, it won't make espn or nfl network to be played over and over and over and over and over again.

I am sure all of these Portis haters are not going to be hating so much once he starts scoring touchdowns.......At least not for the dog fighting comments rather they would just be playa hating!

[Fios]

I won't be getting rid of my Portis jersey anytime soon!! What he needs to do is donate some money to some animal shelter/orginization to "show" his love for animals. The bad thing is even if he does do that, it won't make espn or nfl network to be played over and over and over and over and over again.

I am sure all of these Portis haters are not going to be hating so much once he starts scoring touchdowns.......At least not for the dog fighting comments rather they would just be playa hating!

Whoah, whoah, slow down there fella ... are you suggesting fans are fickle?!?!?!

[Chris Luva Luva]

Whoah, whoah, slow down there fella ... are you suggesting fans are fickle?!?!?!

Unpossible and I denounce this bigotry.

[Fios]

Whoah, whoah, slow down there fella ... are you suggesting fans are fickle?!?!?!

Unpossible and I denounce this bigotry.

I agree and disagree

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Uh no ... I just realized I've never condemned genocide ... crap.

You've also never denied that this this you in THIS picture, despite the clear visual evidence:



Quick alert the Media!!!

[Fios]

Uh no ... I just realized I've never condemned genocide ... crap.

You've also never denied that this this you in THIS picture, despite the clear visual evidence:

Quick alert the Media!!!

I was avoiding that because it's gross and disturbing ... I don't even want to explore the deep-seated issues there ... I also can't help that my image gets ripped off sans permission. ... those crazy Asians love me so much.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Portis is currently being interviewed on a local dc station.

Supposedly he said something to B Mitch to get him to shut his trap.

I hope this is the last time he mentions it and just drops the issue...

Maybe he could get Betts to drop it for him.

[Smithian]

In MANY eyes, that is no worse than had Vick had kids beating eachother up and then Portis said, "I didn't know some people liked kids so much, but there are people liking them." Also, Portis, you KNEW you wouldn't say that about kids, why say it about dogs? For a laugh? You and Samuels are hilarious.

There's no way I'd ever feel that way. Kids and dogs on the same level?
If I run your dog over with my car by mistake, should I get an involuntary manslaughter charge?

I bet you ART MONK did not feel like you and Art Monk is on a level of greatness that Clinton Portis will NEVER reach.

And this is the issue I have with this situation...
If Brett FArve
If Pitman
If Peyton
If Jon
If Shaq
If Jordan
If Kobe
If Gibbs


Who doesn't have some skeletons in their closet? I GUARANTEE that if we were able to expose every athelete for all of their deeds, we'd hate them all.

If I was able to pull your skeletons out of the closet, people would hate you to some extent. Some would hate me.

You say that it'll take a long time for people to forgive him and I just don't get that and I think it's unfair. If you our anyone else got blasted for something you'd be begging for forgiveness and a CHANCE to right your wrongs also.

But being hateful and spiteful is the cool thing to do now. Or maybe I'm too quick to forgive people and give them a chance. Maybe I'm too understanding...

If Brett FArve = Pain pills didn't hurt others. Portis's thing is much worse.
If Pitman = The Bucs guy? All he did was run a car through some house.
If Peyton = His only skeleton is he is pretty stupid. Nothing wrong.
If Jon = Jansen? What has he done? I heard him make perverse jokes on ESPN radio once, but that is all.
If Shaq = What did he do? Nothing against the law that I know of.
If Jordan = LOTS OF GAMBLING! Nothing as bad as killing dogs that I know of.
If Kobe = Yeah, he had sex with that woman, but didn't rape her. Has never done anything except be a massive a-hole.
If Gibbs = What did he do?

The only person there who hurt others is Pitman and Kobe depending on how you look at that. Also, I bet if Michael Jordan made those comments like Portis during the height of his career, Nike would have **** themselves.

[Chris Luva Luva]

My point is that everyone has issues, even the ones you deem have done "nothing". You know what I'm saying is true, I see that you left yourself off of your list.

People wishing ill things on him are IMO just as bad to me as he is to them. Especially those that wish injury.

The guy made a mistake, the fights happen daily in his neck of the woods so he's been desensitized to it. That desensitization led to him making a stupid comment.

[Countertrey]

I was avoiding that because it's gross and disturbing

I'm sure that's it. I'm also sure that Tricky Dick is not a crook and, Bill never had sex with that woman...

[Countertrey]

The guy made a mistake, the fights happen daily in his neck of the woods so he's been desensitized to it. That desensitization led to him making a stupid comment.

I don't have a particular issue with Portis. I think that, really, his objective was to be cute, controversial and funny... I think it was impulsive, poorly thought out, and ill conceived... but not an endorsement of dog fighting, which I personally find as offensive as any activity that involves the sadistic treatment of the innocent. Consider that there is clear evidence that those who are the most brutal towards animals, grow to be brutal men. I see it constantly in my line of work. When you have no conscience, it carries across the board.

Having said that, I will add that much of my youth was spent in south central Mississippi. In and around Magee, Collins, Raleigh, Mize, So So, and the like... and, yes, Laurel. Granted, I am a tad older than CP, but, I couldn't give you the first idea where you could find the dog fight.

Desensitized? If you say so. Insensitive? More likely. A stupid move? Definitely.

Hopefully, this chapter is soon to be closed, with a wiser and more thoughtful CP the result.

[Smithian]

My point is that everyone has issues, even the ones you deem have done "nothing". You know what I'm saying is true, I see that you left yourself off of your list.

People wishing ill things on him are IMO just as bad to me as he is to them. Especially those that wish injury.

The guy made a mistake, the fights happen daily in his neck of the woods so he's been desensitized to it. That desensitization led to him making a stupid comment.

Everyone has issues, but most not as severe as dog fighting. Go read about dog fighting. If you have a pet, then imagine it in a true dog fight. Then come tell me that is something minor.

Clinton Portis needs to kiss some serious butt before he gets some more supports back from people who are animal lovers. Maybe Clinton Portis can go steal Ray Lewis's dog and use it in a dog fight and then talk more trash about Ray Lewis and the Ravens. For some reason, I have a feeling Portis would FAIL like each time he has played the Ravens and talked trash about their defense. Just a guess.

[Irn-Bru]

Everyone has issues, but most not as severe as dog fighting. Go read about dog fighting. If you have a pet, then imagine it in a true dog fight. Then come tell me that is something minor.

I think that you're missing the point. Where Portis grew up dogfighting wasn't a bit deal -- the fact that it was ubiquitous in his home town is exactly what he was communicating in the first interview. Not that he thought it was OK or something that he liked, just that it happens.

That doesn't mean that it isn't a big deal, it's just a perspective. I think Portis honestly didn't realize how much that opinion would blow up on him. You'd better believe he does now, though. . .

Besides, Portis never said that he thought the dogfighting was OK. You've defended Favre saying that what he did (which was illegal, while Portis' actions weren't, by the way) "didn't hurt others." I'm sorry but Portis can say whatever he wants, and it's not forcing anyone to do anything. Call it stupid if you'd like, misinterpret what he said, but saying that his words cause harm to other people is ludicrous.

So, when you say:

Clinton Portis needs to kiss some serious butt before he gets some more supports back from people who are animal lovers.

That may be the case, but it doesn't mean that everyone's hatred toward him is justified. I can understand why people are upset, but I'm with CLL in thinking that wishing injury on Portis is rather ironic when it comes from the people who are outraged at his inhumanity.

[Redskin in Canada]

1. He said something stupid and insensitive.

2. He did nothing illegal.

3. He paid the PR price in more ways than he ever expected due to his bad judgment. There is even an ongoing campaign against purchasing merchandise associated with him in any way.

4. He made a retraction and a subsequent apology.

5. He has become sensitive about his words and actions.

6. It will take a while before some NFL fans forgive and forget.

7. His performance over the next season will go a long way to erase these issues from the vast majority of fans.

I accept his apology and recently acquired sensitivity towards animals.

It is time to move on and -SUPPORT- him now. It is STUPID and a contradiction to wish him ILL in -any- way. Where is the understanding and forgiveness towards those who have made mistakes of different kinds and they have acknowledged them in the past?

OK guys, keep on throwing the first (second, third, and ... ) stones. As if none of us would have made a really STUPID mistake ever in our lives.

I can think of A LOT worse for several of us.

[Fios]

I say this with all due humility but I am perfect. I actually purchased a stone-throwing machine.

[BossHog]

I can think of A LOT worse for several of us.

Yeah but that was in Thailand, and it was a long time ago. And I told you about it in the strictest of confidence, so you better shut your mouth, and I really don't appreciate the inference.

I really have just chosen not to comment on the CP fallout. What he said was stupid, and to me it just ends there. How anyone carries it out to some of the tangents I've seen it carried out to here, is just beyond me.

You can't bring logic to a completely illogical equation on a message board, it's more productive to Frerotte a wall.

[Redskin in Canada]

I say this with all due humility but I am perfect. I actually purchased a stone-throwing machine.

I regret to say that I am not. I confess to have made insensitive and degrading comments in public in relation to several plants and flowers in my garden. The neighbours have not forgotten or forgiven me ever since. They do not talk to me. They point at me and whisper behind my back. My friends and family have been literally tortured with ugly comments ever since.

Yes, I know now. Plants are good. I now understand their purpose in life. I was insensitive. I await final judgment on my way to purgatory. But I am wearing my helmet and pads to protect me from your stone-throwing machine.

Yeah but that was in Thailand, and it was a long time ago. And I told you about it in the strictest of confidence, so you better shut your mouth, and I really don't appreciate the inference.

Sorry. But I was -really- thinking about Fios and Redeemed and those insensitive comments made while they were visiting that all "male" bath-house in San Francisco a few years ago. OOOooops!