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Chris Luva Luva wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:No its really not, its like rooting against somebody. Your not forcing these people to get hurt, ur not forcing these people to be deformed your just hoping they get what they deserve. Its not in any way to hope bad things happen to bad people like Portis or Vick. Vick is forcing animals to hurt themselves and Portis is sticking up for it by acting the way he is. Me hoping he gets hurt does not influence anything in Portis carrer, hoping Portis gets hurt and ends his carrer isn't bad at all because there is no action to what I do, sticking up for a disgusting act is an action and is bad. Me wanting Portis to get he shoulder injury again does not mean it will happen.


The fact that you tried to rationalize that, it really speaks volumes...

The year of unveiling continues.

It speaks volumes of how there is nothing wrong with wishing injury on him.
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John Manfreda wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
John Manfreda wrote:No its really not, its like rooting against somebody. Your not forcing these people to get hurt, ur not forcing these people to be deformed your just hoping they get what they deserve. Its not in any way to hope bad things happen to bad people like Portis or Vick. Vick is forcing animals to hurt themselves and Portis is sticking up for it by acting the way he is. Me hoping he gets hurt does not influence anything in Portis carrer, hoping Portis gets hurt and ends his carrer isn't bad at all because there is no action to what I do, sticking up for a disgusting act is an action and is bad. Me wanting Portis to get he shoulder injury again does not mean it will happen.


The fact that you tried to rationalize that, it really speaks volumes...

The year of unveiling continues.

It speaks volumes of how there is nothing wrong with wishing injury on him.

It speaks volumes about the person that's making those wishes :shock:
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John Manfreda wrote:
Fios wrote:
Smithian wrote:If Vick is suspended, then I would like to see the Redskins organization do something with Portis and Samuels.

I'd rather lose a game than know those sicks SOBs are out there even laughing about dog fighting.


So they should suspend Portis for having an opinion and Samuels for laughing at said opinion? :roll:

No there suspending him for embarassing the Redskins organazation.
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I assume it's a magical land of candy canes and lollipops ... please, come off it. You are never going to convince me we should punish someone for their opinion, I thoroughly support free speech. I should add, in my 30 years on this planet, I have probably spent about 25 of those living with or (as I do presently) owning a dog. So it isn't that I am not sympathetic to the idea. But SAYING something dumb isn't a crime and I will not treat it as one.
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John Manfreda wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:A typical John Manfreda post. :roll:

John Manfreda wrote:Vick is forcing animals to hurt themselves and Portis is sticking up for it by acting the way he is.


Based on what you wrote, you obviously have no clue. Portis was NOT sticking up for dog fighting. :roll:

Its his dogs let him do with what he wants with it, he doesn't have to say it exactly, his actions made it clear, u have no clue I am just thinking about what Portis said with an unbiased opinion. Portis is scrum no matter what he does on the field.


Are you serious???

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He doesn't have to say it exactly?

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What "actions" are you speaking of?
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Smithian wrote:
Go read about dog fighting, Fios.


So...

If a player has some wild theory on 911, do we suspend him?
Or is he believes that horse racing is great, do we suspend him?
What if he whale hunts?
OMG Santana believes in Santa Claus lets suspend him.
Marcus believes in reparations, let's suspend him.
Darrell Green belives in Jesus, lets resign him, so we can suspend him. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

With OPINION where do we draw the line? When people start policing opinion...well lets not go there because it's a steep slope.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Smithian wrote:
Go read about dog fighting, Fios.


So...

If a player has some wild theory on 911, do we suspend him?
Or is he believes that horse racing is great, do we suspend him?
What if he whale hunts?
OMG Santana believes in Santa Claus lets suspend him.
Marcus believes in reparations, let's suspend him.
Darrell Green belives in Jesus, lets resign him, so we can suspend him. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

With OPINION where do we draw the line? When people start policing opinion...well lets not go there because it's a steep slope.

Vick has been linked to Dog-fighting...
Portis has a opinion on it...
Samuels thought the opinion was funny....
This has gone far enough, simple shut down the NFC and call it a day.
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Let's just forfeit the season because there are too many opinions/individuals on this team.
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Let's just forfeit the season because there are too many opinions/individuals on this team.


You just stated an opinion, you are dead to me
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That's it; you're all suspended. . .and I refuse to comment on it.
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While you guys sort out who gets hanged for having an opinion, check out these facts:

The House on Moonlight Road
Though Michael Vick insists he knew nothing of alleged dogfighting on a Virginia property he owned, the case has cast a shadow over the star quarterback, alarmed the NFL and called attention to pro athletes' involvement in the grisly pastime



By George Dohrmann

The brick house Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick owned on Moonlight Road in rural Smithfield, Va., is painted white. It has a white door, a white fence and a huge white gate that opens on a spare front lawn holding a white birdbath. In the woods behind the house, out of view from the road, stand five smaller buildings. These are painted black -- not gray or charcoal, but pure black, as if they'd been dipped in ink. They are set off from the house by a fence, also painted black.

Kathy Strouse, an animal control officer, was standing in front of those outbuildings as night fell on April 25 when a simple question came to her: Why the black paint? A moment passed before Strouse had an answer. At night, when most dogfights are held, no one would know these buildings were here.


It's quite a long read, but worth it, IMO.

This article makes it even harder to believe that Vick had no knowledge of what was going on on his property.

Now that details have come out about the investigation, it makes Clinton look even worse for "defending" Vick in the media.

Note: I'm not saying Clinton is guilty, but in hindsight, his comments get dumber, and dumber, and dumber with each passing day.

As many have said over and over again, he shoulda kept his trap shut. My 2 cents



BTW - I also found this poem that paints a a picture of dogfighting, from the dog's perspective. It's truly heart-wrenching:

Crucify Me

Fight me, deny me, and crucify me,
My sins are yours, they're not mine.
You make me what I am, evil at your command.
You send me to meet my challenger, whatever it may be.
I risk my life to line your pockets for nothing but pain and agony.

Three feet of chain with nowhere to go, there's not much here to see.
No time to play, its work, work, work, that's how life is for me.
Run the treadmill. Pull the blocks and hang there from the tree.
If my ribs feel a little thick, then not much food for me.

I'm in tip top shape, a muscle bound freak, with all the attitude I need.
I've got gameness several generations back. You should see my pedigree!
Pump me up! Hype me up! Throw me some bait! How about that young pup?
Watch me rip his eyeballs out; I need the taste of blood.

I've been hit. I've been beat. I've been left to die in the ring.
I've been sewed up! I've been ripped open and I've had several bones
broken!
I've scratched when I couldn't stand and I've stood up when I
couldn't scratch!
I've killed a few dogs and I've nearly died when I've met my
match!

Fight me, deny me, and crucify me,
My sins are yours, they're not mine.
You make me what I am, evil at your command.
You send me to meet my challenger, whatever it may be.
I risk my life to line your pockets for nothing but pain and agony.

You find amusement at my torn, hanging skin
and just when my body heals, you make me do it again.
Why couldn't I have been a happy dog with a master who shared some love?
Not some twisted psychopath, who owes his life to drugs.

I do this evil to earn my keep. Somehow, I must be fed.
The men in suits, they point at me and say they want me dead.
Even the lucky ones in happy homes who have never felt my pain,
must face the executioners because they bear my name.

Fight me, deny me, and crucify me,
My sins are yours, they're not mine.
You make me what I am, evil at your command.
You send me to meet my challenger, whatever it may be.
I risk my life to line your pockets for nothing but pain and agony.

I've grown too old now to fight in your ring
You've left me no chance, to ever be free
I lay in the darkness, no one at my side
my last fight I lost, my eyes no longer can see
this is what you have done, do you not feel shame?
I can no longer walk, run or play
you have a new puppy now, the one to take my place
the cold and darkness closing now, you have nothing to say?

I lay here in pain and my own blood
I still believe that you love me and I try to stay awake
But you kick me and wish me dead then tell them to tie the bag
The darkness is here now; I hope they catch you, for the new puppy's sake

Fight me, deny me, and crucify me,
My sins are yours, they're not mine.
You make me what I am, evil at your command.
You send me to meet my challenger, whatever it may be.
I risk my life to line your pockets for nothing but pain and agony.

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I don't doubt that fights took place there. It's questionable as to whether or not Vick knew about it. I'm going to hold off on my Vick bashing until he's PROVEN guilty. Remeber? Innocent until proven guilty.

Plus I know how it feels to be categorized or lumped into a group because of what people assume they know from the outside looking in. I'm not in a Vick fan, I just like to irritate people and he hasn't been proven guilty yet.

:lol: at the world turning into super sleuths.
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Until proven guilty? The wheels of justice are surely turning forward:

Vick evidence could prompt July grand jury
By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/29/07

Authorities investigating felony dogfighting at a Surry County, Virginia property owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick could have enough evidence to present to a specially called grand jury before a scheduled July session, Commonwealth Attorney Gerald Poindexter told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Tuesday.

That evidence includes possible testimony from two people who have contacted authorities — one out of state — claiming they have information to assist the investigation. Poindexter was in a jurisdiction outside of Surry County Tuesday doing due diligence on the background of one of the people who has contacted him about the investigation. Investigators also plan to make a similar trip soon concerning the out-of-state contact.

"The investigation is proceeding," Poindexter said.

Vick, a licensed dog breeder in Virginia, has not been charged. In his one public statement on the investigation, Vick has denied any involvement in illegal dogfighting, a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. In April, he blamed family members who lived at the property for the situation. Vick has since refused comment on the advice of his attorney Lawrence Woodward, has not returned repeated phone calls.

Poindexter continued to caution that up to 10 people had access to Vick's 15-acre property and that the investigation could be focused on more than one person. Poindexter would not identify Vick as one of those people.

Poindexter said that initial searches of the property in April show that dogfighting likely occurred at the property. Authorities seized 66 dogs and other objects, such as treadmills, medicines and other equipment believed to be related to dogfighting. Three envelopes addressed to "M. Vick" were seized. A room inside the house had blood-spattered walls, which investigators believe is a fighting pit. Poindexter said last week that charges were likely to be filed but would not indicate against whom.

Poindexter and Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown did not execute a search warrant requested and authorized last week by a deputy sheriff, who wrote in the warrant that the U.S. Department of Agriculture wanted another search of the property to look for dog carcasses and other forensic evidence.

After recieving information from an informant, investigators wanted to look under floors of the fighting pit and dig under and disassemble some structures on the property for dead dogs and blood evidence, Poindexter said. The USDA, the federal agency involved in the investigation, is assisting in the forensic part of the investigation, Poindexter said. NFL security has also contacted Poindexter to offer its assistance.

The search warrant, obtained by Virginia news outlets but denied to the AJC upon repeated phone requests, stated authorities also wanted to search for "any utensils or weapons utilized in the killing of any animals to include ropes, guns/rifles, spent shotgun shells, spent bullet cartridges, or shovels and all evidence contributing to dog fighting and animal cruelty."

Poindexter said some language in the warrant prompted enough concerns for it not to be executed. However, the request has a "10 to 15 day" life where the denial could be lifted and investigators could execute the search.

"We'll go in if we have to," Poindexter said.

When asked if he felt they had enough evidence to press charges without searching the property again, Poindexter said, "I'm not going to comment on that."


http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sport ... 0vick.html
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We're not even near the proven guilty phase, they haven't even filed charges yet. Please, a prosecutor might impanel a grand jury? They've got nothing at this point, they would have filed charges (at the very least) if they had anything of substance.
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Fios wrote:They've got nothing at this point, they would have filed charges (at the very least) if they had anything of substance.

Absolutely all speculation on your part.

1. Commonwealth General Attorney (CGA) is involved.

2. He says he might have -enough- evidence to establish a Grand Jury against Vick.

3. He is quoting some of the factual evidence on the site linked to Vick and two unnamed sources that would testify.

Call me nuts but I was Vick, I would be mighty worried at this time. No, he is not guilty of any crime not even charged with to begin with. But this is as close as it gets to making sure that a Prosecutor has an air-tight case before any charges are laid. The CGA will not make a fool of himself on the national and international media.

All I said is that the wheels of justice are turning forward, nothing else. I stand by this statement.
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Oh, I missed the part where I typed: the following is 100% factual. I suppose I need a tag that identifies when I offer an opinion. I'm not saying the guy didn't do anything, I am SPECULATING based on my time COVERING COURT CASES that the prosecutors have very little to go on at this point.
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Fios wrote:I am SPECULATING based on my time COVERING COURT CASES that the prosecutors have very little to go on at this point.

I disagree with your -speculation- as a general statement. I can -speculate- with a narrower scope:

1) I do not feel that there is any doubt about the site and the evidence of dog fighting crimes there.

2) The -key- aspect is the ability to -LINK- Vick to the site and the actvities organised and sponsored there, not a a circumstantial fact that he was not aware of even if he had some responsibility as an owner, but as a MAIN driver of the enterprise.

3) It is not about whether he will be charged or not, it is the nature of the charge that it is at stake.

But since I am speculating, I may be wrong of course ... :lol:

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Redskin in Canada wrote:I just love to get the Cup all worked up. ROTFALMAO


Indeed. When called into action, the cup can be quite protective:

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Ummmm ... that ain't me
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Fios wrote:Ummmm ... that ain't me
The eyes give you away. Same eyes in both forms.

Do not worry, it is Vick they are after, not the big-mouthed buddy from the U. 8)
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REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
Redskin in Canada wrote:I just love to get the Cup all worked up. ROTFALMAO


Indeed. When called into action, the cup can be quite protective:

Image

:lol:



Per RIC...
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The eyes give you away. Same eyes in both forms.



Yeah... those are just nasty eyes. You can never forget them... brrrrrr.
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I would never condone dog fighting, its disgusting and cruel, and if Vick is found guilty, they should throw the book at him, IMO. People who engage in dog fighting make me sick.



Now... cat fighting is a completely different story. I'm starting a cat fighting league. Anyone want some action? :lol:

Really, there's nothing like two pussy's going at it! :lol:
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Countertrey wrote:Yeah... those are just nasty eyes. You can never forget them... brrrrrr.

BUAAAA HA HA HA ROTFALMAO ROTFALMAO ROTFALMAO

This a CLASSIC in the history of this board. Gotta go to the bathroom. :lol:
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You know how, in gym class, the darned cup never seemed to fit right? I always thought it was because they just didn't make one big enough for me, but now, I wonder. Was all that pinching somehow related to angry little flippers?

I have to reconsider the true meaning of my entire adolescence.

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There's a good CP interview on the issue on redskins.com
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