The Most Overrated and Underrated Players in the NFL

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Wed May 23, 2007 6:54 am

You guys (and girls) aren't going to like this.....According to FoxSports the most overrated RB & WR are on the Washingon Redskins

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1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:04 am

ANT7088 wrote:You guys (and girls) aren't going to like this.....According to FoxSports the most overrated RB & WR are on the Washingon Redskins

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Everybody out of "the U" is overrated :twisted:

HardDawg · Post by **HardDawg** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:41 am

I'm tired of seeing these idiot blast our squad in the press and media. The only way to fix this EPIDEMIC is to WIN! Period! How could ANYONE say CP and Moss are OVERRATED? Are you kidding me...

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Wed May 23, 2007 7:53 am

DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK you only aid their site, they want outraged fans to visit the site and drive up traffic. Don't take that bait.

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Wed May 23, 2007 9:24 am

He said he has nothing againt the skins, well then how come Cool

ey isn't the underrated tight end?????

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Wed May 23, 2007 10:07 am

I am boycotting fox sports.

Most irrelevant sports website: foxsports.com

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:05 am

Can you really argue with ANYTHING the writer says?

This approach of burying your head in the sand (i.e. not clicking the link) because you don't want to hear an unbiased 3rd party opinion is idiotic... (not to mention dangerously stupid if applied to practically anything else besides football.)

The fact is, the Redskins have stunk for the past 15 years. It sucks, and I've stuck by them all that time... but it's true.

It's also true that Clinton Portis' numbers have been WAY down, and that Santana Moss has not been a top wideout either.

There are reasons, and explanations for those things... but they are true, and the writer cannot be argued with based on the facts.

Grow up already people. Learn to differentiate between outrageous criticism and the criticism the team actually deserves and root for the Redskins to overcome.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:13 am

This is going to be complicated so pay attention: clicks = traffic = advertisers = money. Thus MORE clicks = MORE traffic = MORE advertisers = MORE money. So why would I support a site whose opinion I do not value? Further, where did I advocate an "ignorance is bliss" approach? What is dangerously stupid is taking a predictably contrarian stance on everything.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:17 am

While I realize that our players aren't perceived to be as great as we feel they are, they're certainly not the MOST overrated at their respective positions.

I don't know exactly what was said since I haven't viewed the article.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:25 am

Fios wrote:This is going to be complicated so pay attention: clicks = traffic = advertisers = money. Thus MORE clicks = MORE traffic = MORE advertisers = MORE money. So why would I support a site whose opinion I do not value? Further, where did I advocate an "ignorance is bliss" approach? What is dangerously stupid is taking a predictably contrarian stance on everything.

Thanks for the enlightening lecture on how site hits turn into ad revenue, too bad you were too busy trying to be condescending to actually get the point.

If you boycott every site that says something negative about the Redskins, then pretty soon you'll only be reading Redskins.com...

The fact that you think the author only wrote this article to increase site traffic from outraged Eagles, Redskins, Packers, 49ers (etc.) fans is comically paranoid.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:29 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:Thanks for the enlightening lecture on how site hits turn into ad revenue, too bad you were too busy trying to be condescending to actually get the point.

Hello pot, this is kettle

Skinsfan55 wrote:If you boycott every site that says something negative about the Redskins, then pretty soon you'll only be reading Redskins.com...

The weird thing is I never said that

Skinsfan55 wrote:The fact that you think the author only wrote this article to increase site traffic from outraged Eagles, Redskins, Packers, 49ers (etc.) fans is comically paranoid.

Yes, the writer's clear plan is to get as little traffic as possible

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:47 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:If you boycott every site that says something negative about the Redskins, then pretty soon you'll only be reading Redskins.com...

The weird thing is I never said that

You say to avoid the site because he posts something anti-Redskins. So, what if the next site says something anti-Redskins? It's the logical extension of your statements, you don't need to expressly state something for people to extend your logic out. If you say something that doesn't make sense when taken to its logical extension, then you probably shouldn't have said it.

Skinsfan55 wrote:The fact that you think the author only wrote this article to increase site traffic from outraged Eagles, Redskins, Packers, 49ers (etc.) fans is comically paranoid.

Yes, the writer's clear plan is to get as little traffic as possible

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Au contraire, he wants lots of people to read his work, but if you actually read my statement (including but not limited to the word 'from') you'll see I'm questioning your assumed method for him to get traffic.

He's a sportswriter, he gets a prompt from his editor or whatever, and researches and writes and article about football, so people who like football will read it. Not necessarily the outraged fans of the teams he's "offended".

Assuming he's writing a shock article to increase site traffic is being dishonest, and acts as an excuse to ignore the truth. The truth is, the Redskins star players are not (yet?) proving themselves to be tops in the league at their positions (even though they are considered to be) and all this is according to one author's opinion!

Telling people to avoid the link like the plague so no one can make their own decision about his conclusions just seems pretty childish.

But hey, at least you weren't sneaky and didn't post the entire unedited article on the forum. That would have robbed the site of revenue without raising an eyebrow from anyone. :shock:

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:04 pm

I think we just witnessed the most overrated AND underrated catfight in THN history. My 2 cents

What was this thread about again, web traffic and ad revenue? :hmm:

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:06 pm

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:33 pm

OK anyway, back to the subject.

So, if Santana is overrated, because of uhh,,, whatever.....

Why isn't Randy Moss overrated, what has he done sense he has been in Oakland.

Which also proves my point with Portis also, Was Randy Moss's yardege before Oakland because of the system. Humm.

Has Sapp been as good sense he has been at Oakland, What about Edge. Edge is overrated because it dosen't matter that he gets hit as he in handed the ball in the Cardnlds backfield.

Is this what you are saying Skinsfan55????

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:35 pm

gets hit as he in handed the ball in the Cardnlds backfield.

Well you know what I ment
"gets hit in the backfield as he is handed the ball.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:49 pm

BnGhog wrote:Has Sapp been as good sense he has been at Oakland

Uh he lead all DTs in sacks last year with 10...that's pretty good.

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:56 pm

Uhh

I was.....

I was talking about Steve Sappinhimer.

Not Warren Sapp

Duhh. :oops:

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:58 pm

He did only have 2.5 his first year in Oakland, ok ok soo

We will have to wait and see what Carter Does this year.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed May 23, 2007 4:49 pm

I actually listened to the whole interview on the Mike&Mike show on Sirius and Stark explained very clearly that the book is meant to create discussion- he picked a lot of players in a lot of sports and understands that a lot of people will not agree with most of the over-rated "choices" (for example the most over-rated pitcher he selected is Sandy Koufax :hmm:

) while very few will disagree with his choices of under-rated players :shock:

This is not meant to be anything more than a discussion piece - this kind of equates with about as much importance as winning the off-season draft or the free agent acquisition of the year award - who cares - it means nothing really - his opinion is as good as any of ours. :lol:

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:33 pm

Overrated: Clinton Portis (Redskins) - This pick has nothing to do with his recent comments about what happens on Ron Mexico's estate stays on Ron Mexico's estate. He is a talented runner. I'm not even basing this on being hurt last season. I just don't think he has been that effective since leaving Denver. His first two seasons in Denver were amazing. He rushed for almost 1550 yards, 5.5 yards per carry, and 15 touchdowns per season. He made the Pro Bowl in 2003. Denver was so impressed they traded him to Washington for Champ Bailey. Since then, his rushing average has dropped to just a tad over 4 yards per carry. In 29 games with Denver, he had 29 touchdowns. In 39 games with Washington, he has 23 touchdowns. He hasn't broke 300 yards receiving since he left Denver. Some would argue that injuries and coaching have caused his numbers to decline. I would argue that he was a good running back that looked great in Denver, because that is what Denver does for good running backs. Once he was removed from that element, we see what he really is. He is not a top 5 running back. Furthermore, he is playing this season to remain in the top 10 running backs. I think the fact that Washington signed Betts to an extension shows that Washington isn't as sold on him as when they traded Champ Bailey to get him.

I think this guy has been reading my posts. As far as Santana goes, I couldn't disagree more. He was second in the league in receiving with mark brunell at the helm. That's not easy.

JonC56 · Post by **JonC56** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:36 am

The opinion of "street cred" gets a 3 page thread and counting. It must be the good ol offseason, and quite possibly the most relevant "street cred has ever felt as a writer.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:55 am

brad7686 wrote:Overrated: Clinton Portis (Redskins) - This pick has nothing to do with his recent comments about what happens on Ron Mexico's estate stays on Ron Mexico's estate. He is a talented runner. I'm not even basing this on being hurt last season. I just don't think he has been that effective since leaving Denver. His first two seasons in Denver were amazing. He rushed for almost 1550 yards, 5.5 yards per carry, and 15 touchdowns per season. He made the Pro Bowl in 2003. Denver was so impressed they traded him to Washington for Champ Bailey. Since then, his rushing average has dropped to just a tad over 4 yards per carry. In 29 games with Denver, he had 29 touchdowns. In 39 games with Washington, he has 23 touchdowns. He hasn't broke 300 yards receiving since he left Denver. Some would argue that injuries and coaching have caused his numbers to decline. I would argue that he was a good running back that looked great in Denver, because that is what Denver does for good running backs. Once he was removed from that element, we see what he really is. He is not a top 5 running back. Furthermore, he is playing this season to remain in the top 10 running backs. I think the fact that Washington signed Betts to an extension shows that Washington isn't as sold on him as when they traded Champ Bailey to get him.

I think this guy has been reading my posts. As far as Santana goes, I couldn't disagree more. He was second in the league in receiving with mark brunell at the helm. That's not easy.

Hard for me to disagree with this writer.

As for clickling on the link...what about positive Skins articles is it OK then???
I'm amazed that when it's a positive article most think it's well written, but let someone write something bad and you're all over them.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:02 am

I like that people are able to extrapolate my entire philosophy on Redskins articles based on my reaction to this one. If I only clicked on puff pieces, I'd be an idiot. I am not. But some dude's overrated/underrated list? That's way too prevalent for my tastes, anyone can come up with a list. The guy basically admitted his goal was to get reactions, i.e. get traffic. I'm not going to help him.

everydayAskinsday · Post by **everydayAskinsday** » Thu May 24, 2007 11:10 am

I get what that writer is getting at with his arguement against Portis but of course Portis isnt going to maintain a 5.5 ypc average for his career no running back ever has (correct me if im wrong) and the for the fact that his touchdowns went down well that is the offense he is playing in..Which im well aware of is the point the writer is making by saying in Denver they took him from 'good' to 'great' but I really dont think thats the case.. Portis has come here and fit what we wanted him to do.. He is still a difference maker on the field.. with his presence on the field it makes us a better team.. to me that makes you one of the top running backs in this league.. up until last year when he was injured.. his lowest rushing total was 1315..and If im not mistaken he was the 5th fastest player in NFL HISTORY to reach 5,000 career rushing yards.. his career ypc is still a very good 4.7 and at age 25 he is already halfway to 100 career rushing touchdowns with 52.. and 100 is the bench mark for great running backs.. so to say he is just trying to hang on to be a top 10 running back in this league baffles me.. there are only a handful of running backs I'd want over Portis..

someone please list off 10 backs better then Portis for me ..

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