yahoo draft grade

[brad7686]

Washington Redskins: One pick in the first five rounds is a major disappointment. Granted, the pick – LSU safety LaRon Landry – is an amazing player who likely will give the Redskins the best safety tandem in the NFL. With Sean Taylor and Landry, going over the middle will be nothing less than medieval torture for Washington opponents. But as good as that pick is, going another 136 selections before your next choice is rough. And the Redskins got little more than backup depth and special teams guys in linebackers Dallas Sartz and H.B. Blades and tight end Tyler Ecker. Quarterback Jordan Palmer, brother of Cincinnati's Carson Palmer, might be nothing more than a camp novelty.
Grade: D+

He didn't even mention the lack of D-line attention. Only the Eagles had a worse grade and only Seattle was tied. In the NFC anyway.

[andyjens89]

The best way to grade a draft is to wait at least 3 to 5 years afterwards

[KazooSkinsFan]

Restricted to THIS draft, I give the Skins an A.

- They picked the best player available, 5 years from now we will be glad that was the approach (and hopefully they will have made the right choice too)

- They sat on their hands for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round. Must have killed Dan the Man to do that. But it was the best possible move.

- In the later rounds they still looked for quality (at the level of low round picks) and didn't just take fliers on positions they HOPED would work out.

Now granted in giving them the A I'm ignoring having traded too many picks away, but just on this draft I was impressed.

[HailSkins94]

I agree with the grade. Not because of the Landry pick he is going to be a stud, but because of the lack of picks. Just not acceptable.

[HEROHAMO]

Washington Redskins: One pick in the first five rounds is a major disappointment. Granted, the pick – LSU safety LaRon Landry – is an amazing player who likely will give the Redskins the best safety tandem in the NFL. With Sean Taylor and Landry, going over the middle will be nothing less than medieval torture for Washington opponents. But as good as that pick is, going another 136 selections before your next choice is rough. And the Redskins got little more than backup depth and special teams guys in linebackers Dallas Sartz and H.B. Blades and tight end Tyler Ecker. Quarterback Jordan Palmer, brother of Cincinnati's Carson Palmer, might be nothing more than a camp novelty.
Grade: D+

He didn't even mention the lack of D-line attention. Only the Eagles had a worse grade and only Seattle was tied. In the NFC anyway.

How can you honestly grade a teams draft before even seeing the players that were picked play?

What if Sartz,Blades and Landry end up going to the pro bowl in the next three years? What will the so called draft experts say then?

Exactly you cant really grade these players until they play. There will always be busts and late round gems.

[brad7686]

Washington Redskins: One pick in the first five rounds is a major disappointment. Granted, the pick – LSU safety LaRon Landry – is an amazing player who likely will give the Redskins the best safety tandem in the NFL. With Sean Taylor and Landry, going over the middle will be nothing less than medieval torture for Washington opponents. But as good as that pick is, going another 136 selections before your next choice is rough. And the Redskins got little more than backup depth and special teams guys in linebackers Dallas Sartz and H.B. Blades and tight end Tyler Ecker. Quarterback Jordan Palmer, brother of Cincinnati's Carson Palmer, might be nothing more than a camp novelty.
Grade: D+

He didn't even mention the lack of D-line attention. Only the Eagles had a worse grade and only Seattle was tied. In the NFC anyway.

How can you honestly grade a teams draft before even seeing the players that were picked play?

What if Sartz,Blades and Landry end up going to the pro bowl in the next three years? What will the so called draft experts say then?

Exactly you cant really grade these players until they play. There will always be busts and late round gems.

I don't really see what the problem is. We took two players that will probably be productive in this league, didn't really address that many needs, and didn't draft any potential sleepers. Seems pretty fair to me.

[SkinsFreak]

I don't really see what the problem is. We took two players that will probably be productive in this league, didn't really address that many needs, and didn't draft any potential sleepers. Seems pretty fair to me.

Didn't address needs and didn't draft any potential sleepers?

Dude... you're killing me with this crap.

[PulpExposure]

I don't really see what the problem is. We took two players that will probably be productive in this league, didn't really address that many needs, and didn't draft any potential sleepers. Seems pretty fair to me.

Didn't address needs and didn't draft any potential sleepers?

Dude... you're killing me with this crap.

Don't you know that the sky is indeed falling?

Brad is worried that the Redskin's valuable 6th and 7th round picks were thrown away. There could have been a Tom Brady!!!

I mean...because guys drafted that low become starters, right?

Oh wait, statistical analysis showing they don't.

Players drafted in the 6th and 7th round have a 9% chance of starting for an NFL team after 4 years.

Getting riled up over low round selections does not make any sense because it's so rare they actually pan out. it makes a lot more sense to pick for value then, since at least the better rated guys have a better chance of making the pick work out. Picking for need with a low draft pick is even worse than picking for need with a high round pick.

[SkinsFreak]

I don't really see what the problem is. We took two players that will probably be productive in this league, didn't really address that many needs, and didn't draft any potential sleepers. Seems pretty fair to me.

Didn't address needs and didn't draft any potential sleepers?

Dude... you're killing me with this crap.

Don't you know that the sky is indeed falling?

Brad is worried that the Redskin's valuable 6th and 7th round picks were thrown away. There could have been a Tom Brady!!!

I mean...because guys drafted that low become starters, right?

Oh wait, statistical analysis showing they don't.

Players drafted in the 6th and 7th round have a 9% chance of starting for an NFL team after 4 years.

Getting riled up over low round selections does not make any sense because it's so rare they actually pan out. it makes a lot more sense to pick for value then, since at least the better rated guys have a better chance of making the pick work out. Picking for need with a low draft pick is even worse than picking for need with a high round pick.

Agreed and well said. It's funny how FACTS always seem to paint a clearer picture.

BTW - no late round sleepers??? I actually think Blades will become a starter in this league, and a pretty good one at that. I also believe, when he finally gets his chance, whenever that might be, that Jordan Palmer might have potential. I may even add Sartz to that list as well. I really feel the Skins did their homework there. So to say that we didn't draft any potential late round sleepers is... well... very premature, and I'll just leave it at that. Talk to me five years from now, and then, and only then, will we be able to have a legitimate and factual conversation on the subject.

[SkinsJock]

From all that I have heard recently the true measure of a draft is not known for at least 3 - 4 years - it will be interesting to see where we are in 3- 4 years from now as the result of only having 1 first day pick in 2007 - I've got a feeling it will probably not be anywhere near as bad as a lot of others think.

This is a little like the perception that the Redskins always were going to be in "cap hell" forever because of how we signed everyone to those ridiculous salaries and as far as I know we never had to really cut anyone - NOT 1 - for cap reasons after all those dire predictions - these guys cannot get a job with a team so they deride the choices of those that do have the jobs that these guys are basically just jealous of.

I think a testimony of these guys opinions is how many picks on the first day who are "can't miss" NFL talent according to these guys and they just never make it.

[PulpExposure]

BTW - no late round sleepers??? I actually think Blades will become a starter in this league, and a pretty good one at that. I also believe, when he finally gets his chance, whenever that might be, that Jordan Palmer might have potential. I may even add Sartz to that list as well. I really feel the Skins did their homework there. So to say that we didn't draft any potential late round sleepers is... well... very premature, and I'll just leave it at that. Talk to me five years from now, and then, and only then, will we be able to have a legitimate and factual conversation on the subject.

Yeah, well I remember them drafting Mario Monds and thinking he was a great sleeper, too.

When's the last time one of our 6th round picks actually started a full season for the Redskins? By my count it was Ed Simmons in 1987.

I mean hell, in 2002 we drafted Reggie Coleman in the 6th round, Jeff Grau, Gregg Scott and Rock Cartwright in the 7th. Rock has been a find, but as a special teamer and emergency RB player.

We just shouldn't expect an all-pro or hell, even a good starter, from the 6th and 7th rounds because the odds are seriously stacked against that.

[HEROHAMO]

I have said this before but I feel a need to say it again.

A player coming into a good system has a far better chance of becoming successfull.

Its all about developing the talent you get. Its like a prize winning rose gardner.

The players we pick are like rose seeds. Gibbs is the Gardner and our system is the soil. If we water the plants every day and give it plenty of sunshine we are sure to get prize winning roses.

Bringing in free agents is like just bringing in a nice rose from another garden.

We will be fine Gibbs has been doing great so far. He has done it before he will bring us back again.

IN conclusion I give our draft an A- the minus is only due to the fact that we had a lack of picks.

[Countertrey]

SkinsFreak wrote:
BTW - no late round sleepers??? I actually think Blades will become a starter in this league, and a pretty good one at that. I also believe, when he finally gets his chance, whenever that might be, that Jordan Palmer might have potential. I may even add Sartz to that list as well. I really feel the Skins did their homework there. So to say that we didn't draft any potential late round sleepers is... well... very premature, and I'll just leave it at that. Talk to me five years from now, and then, and only then, will we be able to have a legitimate and factual conversation on the subject.


Yeah, well I remember them drafting Mario Monds and thinking he was a great sleeper, too.

I don't think the coaching staff thinks either of the LB's is a sleeper, but rather, good picks that slipped. They were surprised when Sartz (he appears tailor made for Williams D) was there, and really surprized when Blades was there. They drafted Palmer as a project.

[brad7686]

I don't really see what the problem is. We took two players that will probably be productive in this league, didn't really address that many needs, and didn't draft any potential sleepers. Seems pretty fair to me.

Didn't address needs and didn't draft any potential sleepers?

Dude... you're killing me with this crap.

Don't you know that the sky is indeed falling?

Brad is worried that the Redskin's valuable 6th and 7th round picks were thrown away. There could have been a Tom Brady!!!

I mean...because guys drafted that low become starters, right?

Oh wait, statistical analysis showing they don't.

Players drafted in the 6th and 7th round have a 9% chance of starting for an NFL team after 4 years.

Getting riled up over low round selections does not make any sense because it's so rare they actually pan out. it makes a lot more sense to pick for value then, since at least the better rated guys have a better chance of making the pick work out. Picking for need with a low draft pick is even worse than picking for need with a high round pick.

Agreed and well said. It's funny how FACTS always seem to paint a clearer picture.

BTW - no late round sleepers??? I actually think Blades will become a starter in this league, and a pretty good one at that. I also believe, when he finally gets his chance, whenever that might be, that Jordan Palmer might have potential. I may even add Sartz to that list as well. I really feel the Skins did their homework there. So to say that we didn't draft any potential late round sleepers is... well... very premature, and I'll just leave it at that. Talk to me five years from now, and then, and only then, will we be able to have a legitimate and factual conversation on the subject.

I said there would be two productive players, blades was one of them. The other three picks, especially the Sartz one when Ben Patrick/Mason Crosby were still on the board, weren't used to their ultimate potential. Sartz would have still been available in the 6th, probly the 7th. It's not that they draft bad players, its that they miss out on better ones, when they could get the one they drafted in the next round. The exception this draft would be blades, who was a good pick in the 6th.

[Irn-Bru]

brad7686, who are the sleepers that we missed out on? Who are the players that other teams will have as studs in 2 years while our guys are still sitting on the bench, or at home?

[1niksder]

I said there would be two productive players, blades was one of them. The other three picks, especially the Sartz one when Ben Patrick/Mason Crosby were still on the board, weren't used to their ultimate potential. Sartz would have still been available in the 6th, probly the 7th. It's not that they draft bad players, its that they miss out on better ones, when they could get the one they drafted in the next round. The exception this draft would be blades, who was a good pick in the 6th.

Ben Patrick??? they were looking for a blocking TE that can also catch, not a pass catcher that could block a little. Tyler Ecker fits that mold better than Patrick.

Mason Crosby would have been a great pick for a team with only 5 picks unless you can bring in someone like Tyler Fredrickson on the cheap to compete with a kicker that you already like.

When get to the second day you should take the best player available, but when you have to WAIT until the second day to pick you still have to look at need while looking for the BPA

[brad7686]

I said there would be two productive players, blades was one of them. The other three picks, especially the Sartz one when Ben Patrick/Mason Crosby were still on the board, weren't used to their ultimate potential. Sartz would have still been available in the 6th, probly the 7th. It's not that they draft bad players, its that they miss out on better ones, when they could get the one they drafted in the next round. The exception this draft would be blades, who was a good pick in the 6th.

Ben Patrick??? they were looking for a blocking TE that can also catch, not a pass catcher that could block a little. Tyler Ecker fits that mold better than Patrick.

Mason Crosby would have been a great pick for a team with only 5 picks unless you can bring in someone like Tyler Fredrickson on the cheap to compete with a kicker that you already like.

When get to the second day you should take the best player available, but when you have to WAIT until the second day to pick you still have to look at need while looking for the BPA

Ok so you don't want a kicker who will be elite, or a TE that will catch AND block effectively, you would rather have a linebacker that looks like scarecrow. Its about value. Both the players i mentioned have a ton more value than Dallas Sartz. He probly would have gone in the 7th in all reality. Wait till then. The skins pay no attention to how the draft is supposed to unfold.

[SkinsFreak]

I said there would be two productive players, blades was one of them. The other three picks, especially the Sartz one when Ben Patrick/Mason Crosby were still on the board, weren't used to their ultimate potential. Sartz would have still been available in the 6th, probly the 7th. It's not that they draft bad players, its that they miss out on better ones, when they could get the one they drafted in the next round. The exception this draft would be blades, who was a good pick in the 6th.

Ben Patrick??? they were looking for a blocking TE that can also catch, not a pass catcher that could block a little. Tyler Ecker fits that mold better than Patrick.

Mason Crosby would have been a great pick for a team with only 5 picks unless you can bring in someone like Tyler Fredrickson on the cheap to compete with a kicker that you already like.

When get to the second day you should take the best player available, but when you have to WAIT until the second day to pick you still have to look at need while looking for the BPA

Ok so you don't want a kicker who will be elite, or a TE that will catch AND block effectively, you would rather have a linebacker that looks like scarecrow.

Yes, because that's what Joe Gibbs, Al Saunders and Gregg Williams wanted. Sorry, but I'll go along with them.

[SkinsFreak]

The skins pay no attention to how the draft is supposed to unfold.

What are you talking about? The players they WANTED were there when their pick came up, so they grabbed em', and that's how the draft unfolded.

[brad7686]

The skins pay no attention to how the draft is supposed to unfold.

What are you talking about? The players they WANTED were there when their pick came up, so they grabbed em', and that's how the draft unfolded.

the point is they could have waited. Sartz is not a fifth round pick. they had an opportunity to add some slippers and instead took someone way too early. the exact opposite of what they should have done. they don't understand value, which is why they will never be in the league of the patriots, broncos, etc. personnel wise. Its funny how everyone understands this concept as far as taking landry over a good defensive end, but dont understand it later on in the draft when its magnified ten fold, since there aren't many good players left.

[SkinsFreak]

the point is they could have waited. Sartz is not a fifth round pick.

Wow, how do you know that?

Some felt he should have been drafted earlier. Did you do some research to see how he might have fit it with all of the different defensive schemes around the league? If so, let us know whom you spoke with, so we can confirm that every team thought he should have gone in the 7th round.

[brad7686]

the point is they could have waited. Sartz is not a fifth round pick.

Wow, how do you know that?

Some felt he should have been drafted earlier. Did you do some research to see how he might have fit it with all of the different defensive schemes around the league? If so, let us know whom you spoke with, so we can confirm that every team thought he should have gone in the 7th round.

Obviously there will be disagreement about prospects but pretty much everyone considered him a late rounder or free agent. There were some people who were considered second rounders, that were available, which is my point. If they would rather have addressed need than take the best player, that would be fine. But they have a ton of linebackers.

[wormer]

D+???

My issue with this grade is it is primarily based on PICKS THEY DID NOT HAVE.

IMHO you should be graded on what you did given what you had.

They are being graded based on a lack of picks which 1) should not be done and 2) if it IS done, should be noted in terms of what they got for the picks they did not have.

Plus as has been said countless times here, you really can not grade a draft until the players have a chance to perform.

I bet the Chargers were graded out high when they picked Ryan Leaf. I also seem to recall everyone sporting wood over a certain prior years Super Bowl winer drafting a Heisman Trophy winning WR a few years back... How did that one work out?

[PulpExposure]

and 2) if it IS done, should be noted in terms of what they got for the picks they did not have.

Ug do you really want to use that as a rebuttal?

2nd rounder: LB who was hardly used.
3rd rounder: TJ Duckett
4th rounder: Brandon Lloyd.

Uh yeah...

[wormer]

and 2) if it IS done, should be noted in terms of what they got for the picks they did not have.

Ug do you really want to use that as a rebuttal?

2nd rounder: LB who was hardly used.
3rd rounder: TJ Duckett
4th rounder: Brandon Lloyd.

Uh yeah...

Yea...I did not really word that exactly how I wanted to but you actually make my point... They are being given a bad draft grade based on NON-draft-day activties. Meaning, the 2007 draft should be looked at on it's own merits.

They had X picks and picked X players with those picks. I would also accept trades made on draft day that got them players and/or picks.

Saying they had a bad draft cuz the traded thier 3rd round pick 9 months ago makes no sense to me.