THN Official Draft Day Thread

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:51 pm

Watching ESPN right now -

MESHAWN just said " Speed is over-rated at the WR position"

He then brought up tall lanky receivers like himself and also mentioned Michael Westbrook...

Clearly Meshawn is not well.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:16 pm

thaiphoon wrote:TC - you guys got a million of those on your roster in the past 3-4 years. At some point you need to address your WR deficiencies. Don't get me wrong - I'm GLAD you passed on a WR there but that was a stupid move.

Dallas has youth at wide receiver...Crayton, Austin, Rector, Hurd and
Fasano..so obviously wide receiver wasn't a priority need for us in this
draft

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:25 pm

Youth doesn't = quality.

Hell - you coulda even gone OT, C, S or CB and made a better pick.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:31 pm

thaiphoon wrote:Watching ESPN right now -

MESHAWN just said " Speed is over-rated at the WR position"

He then brought up tall lanky receivers like himself and also mentioned Michael Westbrook...

Clearly Meshawn is not well.

He's just advocating Dwayne Jarrett...he made sure he mentioned that "he" ran a 4.4 and went #1 overall.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:33 pm

Hey, Just a thought. But I am one of the guys in favor of keeping our draft picks, but would you consider packaging any of next years picks 3rd round and down to pick up a good player of need?

Right now Lamar Wooley is still available and I believe that he has the potential to be a good defensive end. Just think if we actually had a 2nd round pick this year, we could have a shot at getting a standout D End and the best Defensive player avail.

Retarded.

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:34 pm

Charles Johnson is ok too. No way we can get away with getting into the 2nd this year for a 3rd or lower in 2008 though

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:35 pm

I don't think anyone would do it. We would have to offer our 2nd this year as well as our 3rd next year and our 5th this year.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:20 pm

Both Wooley and Tim Crowder were available where we would have picked 37 this year. I bet the front office feels like retards now that we're pretty much impotent for the rest of the day. The very fact that Gibbs was giving a press conference during the draft today might be indicative that we're willing to dribble out the first half today and come back strong tommorow.

There may be a good player available at D-End in the fifth...when in doubt draft a kid from Hampton University...they always surprise.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:39 pm

IMO - we made our bed and the players that we picked last year are now playing for us - we have to look forward not back - there is no point in saying we could have picked this player or that - hopefully we keep all of next years picks - this is not a super bowl contender and IMO we all need to keep in mind that it will take take time to get back to the top.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:46 am

Ok, day 2 here we go.

Does anyone have any ideas who they might target today or who is left that might be a nice fit? Gibbs said they did put a lot of time and work into these picks, so I'm real curious what they might do.

LOSTHOG · Post by **LOSTHOG** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:37 am

I'm hyped for today. Still plenty of talent out there.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:52 am

I'm hoping for a couple of guys today.

Jacob Bender from my hometown of Mayo, MD (he also played for the Edgewater Blue Devils like myself..... sadly I hadn't heard of him until Friday because there was a big article in the paper).

And the punter from Baylor, Daniel Supervelia (sp?).

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:59 am

Mkristo Bruce
DE | (6'5", 268, 5.12) | WASHINGTON STATE

Scouts Grade: 32

Flags: (M: MENTAL) Does not retain and learn the system(S: SPEED) Player lacks ideal speed at position
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Strengths: Has a quick first step, does a good job of anticipating the snap and makes it difficult for offensive linemen to get into position. Plays with a mean streak, possesses adequate upper body strength and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Added weight during collegiate career and has the frame to continue to bulk up. Possesses good balance and rarely gets knocked to the ground. Has good lateral mobility, uses hands fairly well and flashes effective double moves. Is a relentless pass rusher and looks to strip the ball when gets to the quarterback. Is tall and has long arms so is capable of getting hands up in passing windows. Possesses good athletic ability, can change directions quickly and lined up at linebacker at high school.

Weaknesses: Doesn't show a second gear when trying to turn the corner and lacks ideal closing speed. Lacks ideal lower body strength and isn't a powerful bull rusher. Is undersized, plays too high at times and struggles to hold ground when teams run at him. While plays with a good motor, occasionally disappears from games and is inconsistent. Marginal score on the Wonderlic Test.

Overall: Bruce was redshirted in 2002. He appeared in 13 games as a backup and on special teams in 2003 finishing the year with nine total tackles, two tackles for loss, two sacks, and one fumble recovery. In 2004, Bruce started all 11 games, recorded 60 total tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, 6.5 sacks, three fumble recoveries, and two forced fumbles. He played in all 11 games in 2005, when he tallied 67 total tackles, 15 tackles for loss, 10 sacks, two fumble recoveries, and three forced fumbles. Bruce started all 12 contests in 2006 and finished with 67 tackles, 16 tackles for loss, 11 sacks, one interception, two forced fumbles, and two fumble recoveries, earning him Associated Press All-America Second Team honors.

Bruce possesses a good blend of athletic ability and playmaking instincts. He also has good size potential. Unfortunately, Bruce is a great college football player with very little upside as an NFL prospect. His top-end speed is marginal and he needs to continue to add weight to his frame. Bruce will get selected no higher than the fifth round of the 2007 draft.

This guy is still available and he has great size. He wouldn't be a starter but could be a project for us. These are the type of guys we pick up.

HardDawg · Post by **HardDawg** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:46 am

Bruce would be a good addition. But I'm starting to think we might just address our DE needs in the offseason with one of the overflow DE from another team.

Call me crazy but this draft class is really weak across the board. The only two guys left on the board that I would want are TE Chandler from Iowa to play opposite Cool

ey and QB Zabransky from Boise St to back up JC... Any thoughts?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:54 am

Sepulveda to Pittsburg

HardDawg · Post by **HardDawg** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:14 pm

I know we need a DE BAD but is anyone out there hoping we take a decent backup to JC? Zabransky or Troy Smith seem like a steal down here if they are available...

funbuncher · Post by **funbuncher** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:04 pm

We're coming up in 3 picks! These guys still on the board:

Brandon Siler LB
Rufus Alexander LB
Tim Shaw LB

Walter Thomas DT

Gibbs specifically mentioned depth at LB at pess conf yesterday.

I've watched Siler and he's a stud. Don't know why he's dropped this far. Shaw is the guy that played next to PUZ at Penn state that no one knew but was just as productive.

Thomas is that back flipping monster who barely played because of grades or behavior or something.

What DE's out there?

Top Kicker Mason Crosby out there as well.

What will we do?!!

HardDawg · Post by **HardDawg** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:09 pm

Im Pulling for Crosby/Zabransky or Troy Smith... Knowing Vinny we'll end up with some guy who played Div III ball in Canada...

funbuncher · Post by **funbuncher** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:10 pm

Brandon Siler
ILB | (6'1", 241, 4.62) | FLORIDA

Scouts Grade: 76
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Strengths: Aggressive, has a quick first step and makes plays at the line of scrimmage. Plays with a mean streak and is big enough to hold ground against most fullbacks when stays low to the ground. Shown above-average upper body strength and flashes the ability to shed blocks quickly. Uses hands to protect legs and generally does a nice job of fighting off cut blocks. Plays with a good motor and always seems to be around the ball at the end of the play. Displays good straight-line speed, closes fairly well and flashes the ability to deliver big hits. Wraps up upon contact and is a sound open field tackler when gets into good position. Times blitzes well, flashes the ability to run through blockers in the backfield and takes the shortest path to the quarterback.

Weaknesses: Doesn't always take sound pursuit angles, has problems locating the ball carrier despite size and gets caught out of position at times. Fast on a straight-line but lacks ideal athleticism. He's a bit stiff in the hips and loses too much time in transition when changing directions. He lacks ideal range in zone coverage and isn't fluid enough to match up versus quicker NFL running backs man-to-man. Lacks ideal ball skills and isn't a playmaker in coverage.

Overall: Siler appeared in all 12 games (six starts)as a true freshman in 2004 and finished with 77 total tackles, 9.5 tackles for loss, and two sacks, earning SEC Freshman of the Year honors (coaches). In 2005 he started all 12 games and recorded 64 total tackles, nine tackles for loss, four sacks, seven fumble recoveries, and one safety. Siler started 13 of 14 games in 2006, missing the Western Carolina game because of a knee injury, and registered 77 total tackles, 10 tackles for loss, three sacks, one forced fumble, and one fumble recovery, earning him third team All-American honors (AP) and second team All-SEC accolades (coaches and media).
Siler is an effective interior run stuffer who plays with a mean streak and never stops working. However, while he's fast on a straight-line, he doesn't display great agility when working laterally and he's a bit sluggish in coverage. Simply put; Siler is a better football player than athlete and he will need to overcome his lack of ideal physical tools in order to earn a starting job in the NFL. We think he's capable of doing so, which is why he grades out as a third round prospect.

funbuncher · Post by **funbuncher** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:13 pm

Finally, we pick!

Dallas Sartz
OLB | (6'4", 235, 4.71) | USC

Scouts Grade: 39

Flags: (D: DURABILITY) Player that can't stay healthy(O: OVERACHIEVER) Player that lacks AA and skills Selected by: Washington Redskins
Round: 5
Pick (Overall): 6(143)
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Strengths: Possesses good size and the frame to add even more bulk as a "SAM" linebacker in the NFL. Reads keys well, has adequate initial quickness and can make plays behind the line of scrimmage. Plays with a good motor and always seems to be around the ball at the end of the play. Plays with a mean streak and flashes the ability to deliver the big hit. Times blitzes well, takes the shortest path to the passer and flashes the ability to power through blockers in the middle. Has long arms and generally gets hands up when isn't going to get to the quarterback. He pays attention to details and displays good football intelligence. Covered kicks at the collegiate level, blocked a punt during sophomore season and should make an impact on special teams.

Weaknesses: Plays too high, hasn't shown great lower body strength and gets driven back at times. Doesn't always take sound angles to the ball and gets caught out of position at times. Takes too long to open hips when forced to turn and run downfield and isn't fast enough to run with most backs. Depth in drops is inconsistent and doesn't show great awareness in zone coverage. Uses hands too much in coverage and could draw some flags if doesn't improve technique. Lacks ideal ball skills and isn't a playmaker. Fails to breakdown in space too much and is an inconsistent open field tackler. Missed most of the 2005 season with a dislocated shoulder and durability is somewhat of a concern.

Overall: Sartz saw action as a backup SLB linebacker and on special teams in 12 of 13 games as a true freshman in 2002, finishing with 8 total tackles and one interception. In 2003, he played at both SLB and safety, appearing in all 13 games and starting the final six at linebacker. He recorded 60 total tackles, six tackles for loss, two sacks, and a blocked punt. Sartz appeared in all 13 games in 2004 at SLB linebacker and registered 48 total tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, and one interception, earning an All-Pac 10 honorable mention. The 2005 season ended for him after dislocating his shoulder against Arkansas (9/17) and receiving a medical redshirt. Sartz returned in 2006 and started all 13 games, making 70 total tackles, 9.5 tackles for loss, seven sacks, one forced fumble, and two fumble recoveries, garnering his second All-Pac 10 honorable mention selection.
Sartz may not be strong enough to consistently match up at "SAM" linebacker in the NFL and he's not fast or athletic enough to play in space. However, he is a tough overachiever-type with good size. Sartz is tough against the run, he can get to the quarterback and he should be a quality special teams' contributor in the NFL. He projects as a late-round pick or a rookie free agent.

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HardDawg · Post by **HardDawg** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:14 pm

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I sat here all day for some LB from USC? Vinny....YOUR FIRED!

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:16 pm

What the hell are the Redskins doing with their draft picks?!?!?

First we pick a guy named "LANDRY" and now a guy named "DALLAS"?!?!?!

Is this team having COWBOYS envy or what?!?!?

lol

HardDawg · Post by **HardDawg** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:18 pm

You don't draft a B Grade Special Teamer with our SECOND pick. When's the last time ANY guy knew how to play defense on the West Coast. This is a disaster!

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:19 pm

Justice Hog wrote:What the hell are the Redskins doing with their draft picks?!?!?

First we pick a guy named "LANDRY" and now a guy named "DALLAS"?!?!?!

Is this team having COWBOYS envy or what?!?!?

lol

i just asked the same thing...
http://www.thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23435 :?:

HardDawg · Post by **HardDawg** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:21 pm

Im not waiting around for the next pick. We'll get some guy named Tony Tuna from Eastern Canadien State...Off to the pub...God im pissed!