lance briggs

[frankcal20]

yeah, we can't afford that type of player.

[SkinsFreak]

If there's one person in our front office that does not get the recognition that he should, it's our cap guru Eric Schaffer and his ingenious capabilities for working magic with our cap.

Anything's possible.

[frankcal20]

I guess but I think this may be a little much....without help from others.

[PulpExposure]

Not this again.

[Justice Hog]

Trotter - Part II.

I've decided I would rather have Landry than Briggs.

[SkinsFreak]

Trotter - Part II.

I've decided I would rather have Landry than Briggs.

I'm with you 100%. At one time I liked the idea of getting Briggs, but I think Landry would be better for us.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Trotter - Part II.

I've decided I would rather have Landry than Briggs.

Am3n.

[frankcal20]

Please don't do this Snyder....Take Amobe or trade down...don't do anything stupid.

[funbuncher]

I've hated this idea from the start and have been surprised by the amount of support it gets on this board. Why do we never learn our lesson?

Hopefully we are leaking this info on purpose to drive up the value of our pick. But our history shows that we apparently leak info by accident as in the case of everyone knowing a week ahead of time that we were trading up to get Jason Campbell.

BUT, this timing would be perfect, if we were trying to be sly.

I don't even want to trade down though. I hope we sit tight and take Landry. He rules, and I don't completely trust our ability to use whatever picks we gain in the trade down wisely enough to merit our not getting him.

If we do trade down though... I would love Anthony Spencer!

[SkinsFreak]

I don't even want to trade down though. I hope we sit tight and take Landry. He rules, and I don't completely trust our ability to use whatever picks we gain in the trade down wisely enough to merit our not getting him.

At this point, and I already know some will disagree, but I have to say that I agree with funbuncher here.

1. I'd rather get one true stud at #6. Then take a few other average guys to compete for roles. That rather than 7-8 average or below-average picks from the late rounds that we can't sign or half that won't make the team anyway.

2. Take Landry and upgrade the DE position via a trade or free agency.

3. Save our 2008 picks and draft heavy on the d-line and other areas of need next year.

I still think they do something to move up into the 3rd or 4th round this year; either with draft picks from this year or next, or a player trade, or the combination of both. I just think they'll move up.

[Fios]

I'm going to gain a (probably deserved) reputation as a defend-everything-the-team-does-at-all-costs sycophant but the fact of the matter is, I am not reflexively against this trade.
I still don't think it will happen but if the team has done its due diligence and decided Briggs is the best value for this pick, what's wrong with the move? There isn't an inherent value in making the 6th pick because it's theirs to use. If the team says "well, we don't like any defensive player enough (including Landry) to take them 6th, we can't find anyone willing to let us slide down a few slots, our new reality on the defensive side of the ball requires a LB of Briggs' skill set, so this is the best option available to us." Why is that a bad thing?
I just can't fathom how people can say "this is a bad idea" unequivocally as if it were fact and refuse to hear anything to the contrary. What if the team stayed, drafted Landry, and he turns out to be a total bust? Would people still defend the move? Nope, they'd complain about that too.
What I hope happens is that the team gets as much value as possible out of the 6th pick, that's all. The only absolutely bad idea is doing nothing at all.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'm going to gain a (probably deserved) reputation as a defend-everything-the-team-does-at-all-costs sycophant but the fact of the matter is, I am not reflexively against this trade.
I still don't think it will happen but if the team has done its due diligence and decided Briggs is the best value for this pick, what's wrong with the move? There isn't an inherent value in making the 6th pick because it's theirs to use. If the team says "well, we don't like any defensive player enough (including Landry) to take them 6th, we can't find anyone willing to let us slide down a few slots, our new reality on the defensive side of the ball requires a LB of Briggs' skill set, so this is the best option available to us." Why is that a bad thing?
I just can't fathom how people can say "this is a bad idea" unequivocally as if it were fact and refuse to hear anything to the contrary. What if the team stayed, drafted Landry, and he turns out to be a total bust? Would people still defend the move? Nope, they'd complain about that too.
What I hope happens is that the team gets as much value as possible out of the 6th pick, that's all. The only absolutely bad idea is doing nothing at all.

I'm with you, Fios. Like you I'm not "lobbying" for the trade, but if Gibbs and GW think it's the best move to take Briggs and #31 I'm in their camp. If that makes us sycophants of the team, so be it. Being a sycophant for Joe Gibbs is not the worst thing I'll be called this week. Besides, who has done more to deserve the benefit of the doubt from us then Joe Gibbs?

[funbuncher]

I just can't fathom how people can say "this is a bad idea" unequivocally as if it were fact and refuse to hear anything to the contrary. What if the team stayed, drafted Landry, and he turns out to be a total bust? Would people still defend the move? Nope, they'd complain about that too.
What I hope happens is that the team gets as much value as possible out of the 6th pick, that's all. The only absolutely bad idea is doing nothing at all.

Agreed, there is no sure thing no matter WHAT we do. We are all just giving our own opinions on what WE think they should do. Agree also that they should have a much better grasp on that than any of us do. But sadly, we foul up our personnel evaluations sometimes to a point where we are a laughing stock to many around the league. These media turds are usually exagerrating to a degree, but we all know it is true to some extent, and I hate that and want it to change, and hopefully that starts tomorrow morning when we start putting foot to ass! I'm obviously getting carried away, since there wont even be a scoreboard tomorrow.

Briggs/Landry/Adams/Okoye/Whoever, we'll all line up behind them in the end and root our tails off.

Hail to the Redskins!

[SkinsFreak]

Yep!

[The Hogster]

I just can't fathom how people can say "this is a bad idea" unequivocally as if it were fact and refuse to hear anything to the contrary. What if the team stayed, drafted Landry, and he turns out to be a total bust? Would people still defend the move? Nope, they'd complain about that too.
What I hope happens is that the team gets as much value as possible out of the 6th pick, that's all. The only absolutely bad idea is doing nothing at all.

Agreed, there is no sure thing no matter WHAT we do. We are all just giving our own opinions on what WE think they should do. Agree also that they should have a much better grasp on that than any of us do. But sadly, we foul up our personnel evaluations sometimes to a point where we are a laughing stock to many around the league. These media turds are usually exagerrating to a degree, but we all know it is true to some extent, and I hate that and want it to change, and hopefully that starts tomorrow morning when we start putting foot to ass! I'm obviously getting carried away, since there wont even be a scoreboard tomorrow.

Briggs/Landry/Adams/Okoye/Whoever, we'll all line up behind them in the end and root our tails off.

Hail to the Redskins!

I am not convinced that overhauling the LB's will solve everything..I mean we were dead last in the league in passes of 20 yards or more completed against. That is a product of poor defensive line pressure and being thin in the secondary. WLB doesn't address that, and I might add we have Lemar Marshall who held down that spot pretty well for a 3rd ranked defense...and a young guy in McIntosh that we don't want to let go...but don't want to play ??? thats a head scratcher.

I say take Okoye or Landry and draft for depth in the later rounds. I just don't trust our scouting department. Anyone can make a safe pic in the top 10 even Cerrato.....but are we all satisfied in his ability to evaluate talent from picks 31 through 150?
I know I'm not.

Laron Landry is an Ed Reed type of player...Lance Briggs is just another high priced free agent who will spend more time at the car dealership than he will in the QB's hip pocket.

[gregory smith]

No, No, No No! Is rocky a bust? Probably not. Can Marcus still play? yes. Is Fletcher a tackling machine? Yes. We have more pressing needs. STOP THE RUN, RUSH THE PASSER. Yes, Landry is intriguing, but he can't cover for 9 seconds! We need a scenario where we can trade down a few spots and pick up a pass rusher, a run stuffer, and who knows what the front office has in mind? There is one common denomitor in all of the Gibb's great teams. OL and DL, football is won at the line of scrimmage , our skill players are in place, get that fierce dl and we will be back! Jamal Anderson (I am a Razorback by the way) Carricker, who knows? I have a good feeling about this draft. It is deep, trade down, acquire players.

[Redskin in Canada]

People forget that Briggs was GREAT in Chicago ...

... next to URlacher. How much will his play keep up without Brian next to him is a very open question. Here we go again, we focus on tyhe -individual- as opposed to the -UNIT- in which that individual play.

When we get disappointed, we ask why did this or that player went bust?

Well, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that a GREAt play by a single individual is the result of a collective effort. No single line backer can shine if the DL does not block properly. That is why Lemar Marshall did not do well last year among other reasons. The DL did not block opposing blockers that came on his way. That is why the running game of others against us was lethal.

You bring the one guy and you assume that the entire unit will replicate the conduct of another unit? Dream on. This is what is wrong with this front office. They think in terms of individuals and not in terms of whole defensive units.

[Fios]

Can you point out where anyone here said Briggs is THE answer? You're so reflexively anti-front office that you're not even taking the time to read posts. And, if Williams (as stated in an earlier post) is shifting his SYSTEM and that system dictates a Briggs-type LB, isn't that exactly what you are pining for? No one is assuming anything about Briggs but you seem to be assuming the FO can't possibly make the correct decision.

[funbuncher]

Here is the latest from John Clayton...

Briggs deal on life support
<Apr. 27> Drew Rosenhaus will make one more frantic push to get Briggs traded, and the Redskins will be the key target, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports.
The Redskins' chances of trading out of the sixth pick appear dead, particularly if Brady Quinn is gone. The Dolphins have apparently decided not to trade up to No. 6, even if Quinn is there.


JLC says 50/50, and Clayton describes the deal as "on life support".

We will all just have to wait and see! Bahhhh!

[Redskin in Canada]

... but you seem to be assuming the FO can't possibly make the correct decision.

You would be right to say that with the exception of Gibbs, I feel that the two clowns should be kept miles away from the Draft.

Why do I assume that this is wrong, you ask? Well, I will give you three positions with far greater urgency for good and healthy bodies in them:

1) Defensive End;
2) Defensive Tackle; and
3) Left Guard

Briggs would not do anything for any of those and he would take a premium pick away to fill them in. Without a good DL, our system does not work. We know that. You could bring Brian Urlacher if you might as well as part of the package and without a solid DL, it would mean little.

This game is won and lost in the trenches. I could even arguethat if a TRADE is going to be made for an established player, we need far more urgently a GREAT DE and DT than a LB.

[The Hogster]

Here is the latest from John Clayton...

Briggs deal on life support
<Apr. 27> Drew Rosenhaus will make one more frantic push to get Briggs traded, and the Redskins will be the key target, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports.
The Redskins' chances of trading out of the sixth pick appear dead, particularly if Brady Quinn is gone. The Dolphins have apparently decided not to trade up to No. 6, even if Quinn is there.


JLC says 50/50, and Clayton describes the deal as "on life support".

We will all just have to wait and see! Bahhhh!

I for one am excited about picking at 6. We don't need Briggs. I would literally cry if we do this deal. We wonder why our players don't give it their all...what must Rocky and Lemar be thinking?? What were Rock Cartwright and Nemo thinking when we brought in Duckett and didn't play him??

I'll tell you what...no one can stay motivated every day if it becomes apparent that no matter what you do, you will not get an opportunity.

Rocky was a leader in special teams tackles. Holdman was a matador and he still can't get on the field.

Rock Cartwright rushed for over 100 yards in the only game where he touched the ball 10 times....yet we trade away our 3rd round pick this year just to rent Duckett for 20 carries in a year??? That makes NO sense, I don't care how you spin it.

How does ST fell when we wouldn't renegotiate his contract, but offer Arch a big deal.

What in the world is wrong with Cerrato...just look at him. He even looks retarded.

Duckett is in Chicago and our 2nd and 3rd round picks are in someone elses pocket?? and what do we have to show for it? Nothing....now they are trying to trade their way out of a potential pro bowl player just to recover the picks we threw away.

[spudstr04]

Redskins May Still Trade for Briggs
Chicago Weighs Offer For Its Disgruntled Star

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 27, 2007; Page E01

The Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears have rekindled talks under which the Bears would trade Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs to the Redskins, NFL sources said yesterday.

While a deal was not a certainty, one source with knowledge of the situation said there was a "50-50" chance a trade would be completed before Washington makes its first selection in the NFL draft tomorrow. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was possible the teams also would swap their first-round draft picks, with the Bears receiving Washington's sixth overall selection in return for Chicago's 31st pick.

Last month the Redskins offered their sixth overall pick to Chicago for Briggs, 26, and the Bears' first-round pick. The Bears countered by asking Washington to add linebacker Rocky McIntosh to the offer, and when the Redskins refused the sides broke off talks. However, the teams have discussed other scenarios in recent days, according to sources, with the Redskins holding firm to their original offer and refusing to include McIntosh or other draft picks in a trade.

The Bears have remained open to trading Briggs and have bristled at the contract demands of his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. According to one league source, the Bears could settle for Washington's original offer prior to Saturday should no better deal come along. The Redskins could in turn request additional compensation for their first-round draft choice.

Briggs, a two-time Pro Bowl weak-side linebacker, has been in a contract dispute with Chicago since the Bears lost to Indianapolis in the Super Bowl. The dispute centers on Chicago's decision to name Briggs the team's franchise player, which allows it to pay him a one-year contract at $7.2 million. Briggs wants a long-term contract and has threatened to sit out most of next season if the Bears don't trade him or work out an extension.

As a rule the Redskins do not discuss specific trades, and team officials reached last night refused to comment on the possibility of a trade for Briggs.

During a news conference Tuesday, Coach Joe Gibbs was asked about Briggs and, while he did not rule out a deal, he said that for every 100 trades discussed between teams one actually gets finalized. "It's extremely hard to do," he said.

Gibbs and Redskins owner Daniel Snyder have professed a preference for established veteran players over draft picks and said they planned to continue aggressively exploring possible player acquisitions.

Snyder spent parts of two nights with Briggs and Rosenhaus during the NFL meetings in Arizona last month, and Rosenhaus has a reputation at Redskins Park as a dealmaker and someone Snyder likes working with.

Redskins Brandon Lloyd and Shawn Springs were present on at least one of those nights, with Snyder asking their opinion of Briggs, sources said. Some league sources believe the Redskins already have contract parameters in place with Briggs should they acquire him. The team used a similar tactic when attempting to trade for cornerback Dre' Bly earlier this offseason, proposing a hefty contract to the player during trade talks.

The Redskins are looking for more playmakers on defense following a season in which they registered just six interceptions and a franchise-low 19 sacks. They have been exploring options to trade their sixth pick since they have lingering questions about many highly rated college prospects.

Briggs was drafted by Chicago in the third round in 2003, and posted one sack and two interceptions last season. He is the only NFL player to return an interception for a touchdown in each of the last three seasons and made 134 tackles in 2006. Some scouts believe his production was a result of Chicago's defensive system, which is designed for the weak-side linebacker to make plays in certain situations. The scouts also noted that the overall talent on the Bears defense -- middle linebacker Brian Urlacher may be the best defensive player in the game -- helped Briggs immensely. They cautioned against expecting he would automatically have the same impact in Washington.

The Redskins are adopting many aspects of the Bears' defense this season, however, according to sources, and on their internal scouting reports they highly value Briggs's ability to thrive in downfield pass-defense coverage. The Redskins have concerns about depth at linebacker, with strong-side linebacker Marcus Washington coming back from major hip surgery and McIntosh having knee problems. Briggs's presence in pass coverage would allow the team to blitz other linebackers as a means of addressing its pass rush problems.

The Redskins' lack of a top-flight defensive end remains a major issue, but there are no ends worthy of the sixth overall pick in this year's draft in the estimation of many NFL clubs, including the Redskins, sources said. Snyder and Gibbs would likely continue exploring trade or free agent options to land one should they get Briggs.

The Redskins also have diligently scouted all players likely to get picked in the first round in case they did swap their pick for a lower selection. Bolstering the defense, which was ranked 31st in the league last season, remains a priority in the draft.

Fourteen of the top defensive players came to Redskins Park for visits last week, and with the Bears' 31st pick the Redskins would likely consider a handful of players who have earned high marks internally should they still be available. Pittsburgh cornerback Darrelle Revis, and Mississippi linebacker Patrick Willis are of particular interest, sources said, but both will likely be gone by the 31st pick. Texas cornerback Aaron Ross and safety Michael Griffin, and Oklahoma linebacker Rufus Alexander, have strong ratings and could be available.

The Redskins are also intrigued by receivers Ted Ginn Jr. (Ohio State) and Dwayne Bowe (Louisiana State University). Although wide receiver is not a pressing need, they could be tempted to take one of them at the end of the first round if they trade down.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/26/AR2007042602711.html?nav=hcmodule

[Fios]

Already posted amigo

[spudstr04]

my bad

[Fios]

No worries!