Good job Imus

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:40 am

I don't feel sorry for these girls. They played basketball on national television and most or all of them are getting a free education at Rutgers University. Boo-hoo.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:45 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote: He's just being used as a scapegoat because black folk didn't want to look in the mirror and admit who the real problem is. It's not Imus, who is he? He's nobody. The problem with us, is us. We're on our worst enemy and before we can stop asking other people to disrespecting, who about we stop disrespecting ourselves.

That just might be the most thoughtful and intelligent post you've ever made here brother. I couldn't agree more.

Respect from others will only come with self-respect.

Not saying that's right... just that it seems to be the way it is.

As long as words like 'niggah' are being used as terms of endearment, there's a problem.

The word 'nigger' has nothing to do with color... I'm not really sure why any conotation of it would be flattering to anyone - nor do i understand the hypocrisy of it only being okay for a fellow person of color to use the term.

I'd like to hear the late great Martin Luther King's response to being called 'niggah'... somehow, I don't think he'd find it too appealing. It seems to go against EVERYTHING that the race struggle has been about.

Hopefully one day, people will figure out that as long as you're calling people black or white (or red, yellow or green for that matter), you have a problem. You're slotting individuals into categories and the only category that matters is 'human'.

IMO, guys like Jesse Jackson don't further the cause... they hinder it. Equality is equality... it doesn't entitle the oppressed to become the oppressor in an effort to be pro-active about it.

There can be NO unsubstantiated hatred in equality... from any color.

My 2 cents

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:05 pm

ATV wrote:I don't feel sorry for these girls. They played basketball on national television and most or all of them are getting a free education at Rutgers University. Boo-hoo.

Awesome post. :puke:

I wasn't aware that getting a free education because of athletic prowess entitled the general public to cast whatever prejudices they wanted.

I wasn't aware that being on TV was a perfect justification for bigotry.

Your crystal clear outlook on things is very inspirational.

What's next? If you've received four years of scholarship money, have been on TV, and then get a good job and start a family... you're allowed to be lynched for having it so easy?

gibbs4president · Post by **gibbs4president** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:42 pm

ATV wrote:I don't feel sorry for these girls. They played basketball on national television and most or all of them are getting a free education at Rutgers University. Boo-hoo.

It's not about feeling sorry for anybody. What you said was completely beside the point about anything.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:50 pm

BossHog wrote:Hopefully one day, people will figure out that as long as you're calling people black or white (or red, yellow or green for that matter), you have a problem. You're slotting individuals into categories and the only category that matters is 'human'.

"I'm not racist. I don't dislike people simply for the color of their skin. It's laziness to do it that way. Besides, there are way too many valid reasons to hate people on an individual basis...and it's more time-consuming. Almost a hobby, really."
TCWest10

There. I quoted me. Somebody had to.
I suppose it would help if I had something substantial to say once in a while.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:06 pm

I don't feel sorry for these girls. They played basketball on national television and most or all of them are getting a free education at Rutgers University. Boo-hoo.

There. That's lesson 1 in ATV's "Guide to Making Friends". Lesson 2 will follow shortly.

gibbs4president · Post by **gibbs4president** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:02 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/1 ... index.html

CBS Fires Imus Over Remarks

wow.......

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:11 pm

I'm glad I don't have my own radio program where i'm expected to be funny. Although i doubt i would say anything like what he said. But you have to say something.

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:22 pm

I have to say after much deliberation, I do not think Imus should be fired. After reading everyones thoughts on here and elsewhere, I do not think that Imus is a racist. Him getting fired is another example of America being to sensitive over things. There is a double standard about which race can make fun of another one. When is the last time you heard a white comedian making fun of the way black people act (other than Kramer in which he is a true racist)? Black comedians make fun of white people all of the time and its normal. Maybe science can find a way to change our skin pigmentation to just one color and that way we will have to find other ways to say "you are discriminating against me".

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:44 pm

Cappster wrote:I have to say after much deliberation, I do not think Imus should be fired. After reading everyones thoughts on here and elsewhere, I do not think that Imus is a racist. Him getting fired is another example of America being to sensitive over things. There is a double standard about which race can make fun of another one. When is the last time you heard a white comedian making fun of the way black people act (other than Kramer in which he is a true racist)? Black comedians make fun of white people all of the time and its normal. Maybe science can find a way to change our skin pigmentation to just one color and that way we will have to find other ways to say "you are discriminating against me".

I think Moonves pandered to Jesse and Sharpton. I know CBS doesn't want rallies outside their station over something considered racist. I think it is for that reason only he got fired because he was worth 15 mil a year to CBS.

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:02 pm

What the hell? I was just stating my opinion.

They're big girls. They can handle it.

I'm supposed to be more concerned with Don Imus?

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:24 pm

Concerning Imus, my feeling, again, echoes the author's of Goofyblog....

Well that’s the end for Imus, CBS just fired him.

I have mixed feelings about this mess. While what Imus said was insulting, demeaning and stupid, why is this particular incident getting so much attention, and why is the axe coming down on him, when so many others are able to get away with the same thing with no real ramifications?

It was only a month ago that that right wing wacko Ann Coulter called Presidential Candidate John Edwards a “Faggot”. And back when Clinton was in office, Rush Limbaugh called a 13 year old Chelsea Clinton a “Dog”. Bill O’Reilly has called Mexicans “Wetbacks”, and yet, he still has his stupid show.

If his crime was being demeaning to black women, or women in general, then why are **** ass Sexist Rap videos like this tolerated?

Why are there no protests by Jesse Jackson and and Al Sharpton when Black Comedians and Rap “Stars” use the “Ho” word to describe woman almost continuously (I think the Rap world, “Ho” is synonymous with “woman”).

I’m not saying Imus deserves a pass here, what I’m pissed off about is the hypocrisy and inconsistency in the societal reaction to all this.

If the punishment for Imus is that he loses his job, then the right-wing whackos and the misogynistic rappers should be doing hard time.

http://goofyblog.net/imus-gets-canned-from-job/

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:29 pm

That some great stuff from Whitlock, easily the best column of his I've ever read. I was dissapointed to see Wilbon jumping on the "crucify Imus" bandwagon.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:48 pm

Wilbon is a sell-out, I stopped listening to him last year after he said he didn't see Wade getting preferential treatment in the NBA Finals. Note the ESPN gig followed shorty thereafter. This entire incident makes me want to vomit, this country has lost its mind.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:25 pm

Well, well. Al Sharpton finally wins one. I know, I know. (Why is every first word repeated?) It's not really his victory. Sponsors, right? The bottom line? The Reverend (who once accused the father of a childhood friend of abducting a teenager, violating her, stuffing her into a garbage bag filled with dung and leaving her for dead) was the face of the public outrage. (All charges were eventually dropped, as it was discovered that the teen had come up with a creative way to not get grounded for sneaking out to a party.)
Most people I know in my area regard him with a certain disdain, especially since the day he paraded a befuddled Bill Cosby around our streets and towns, soliciting funds for the defense...20 years ago.
Awesome. I'm not solely bitter over Imus, it seems. It turns out my main problem is with Big Al.

Not enough to buy Sirius or XM, though.

Incidentally, I read that Imus was meeting the Rutgers team at the Governor's Mansion in Jersey today.
Now I see on the news that Corzine was injured in an accident.
Anybody know where C. Vernon Mason is these days? This smells fishy.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:32 am

Fios wrote:Wilbon is a sell-out, I stopped listening to him last year after he said he didn't see Wade getting preferential treatment in the NBA Finals. Note the ESPN gig followed shorty thereafter. This entire incident makes me want to vomit, this country has lost its mind.

The US is not alone in this. Here in the UK too, the nazism of political correctness pervades all of public life. Puking is indeed the only appropriate action to take. We have a situation in this country where some particularly witless local authorities have chosen to abolish "Christmas" lighting decorations in their towns during the festive season, to replace them with "winter" decorations. This was in an attempt to avoid offence to the Islamic community, most of whom couldn't have given a stuff about the use of the word "Christmas" anyway.

But all the time that you have idiots like Jackson and Sharpton, who (as far as I can tell) only posture in order to shore up their core support, then this kind of limp wristed response from the decision makers like CBS management will be the result.

The only offence that should be caused by Imus' comments is that they were crass. But then I'm white, middle class, and English, and so the likes of Messrs Jackson and Sharpton would probably deem that my opinion is irrelevant, or worse. My 2 cents

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:38 am

ATV, the degradation of women is not solely limited to rap videos. It can be seen through the media/entertainment industry. I have a dislike for a lot of rap music but to simply call out one genre is just as wrong as only calling out Imus. There's a bigger picture to all of us this.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:07 am

I’m not saying Imus deserves a pass here, what I’m pissed off about is the hypocrisy and inconsistency in the societal reaction to all this.

Oh! The irony! :wink:

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:31 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:

Only you could take a topic about Imus making a smart ass remark and turn it into liberal vs. conservative!

Really? Only I would see a political connection?

- I was listening to Air America late in the week after he'd been fired from MS-NoBodyCares and CBS and they were very concerned about losing Imus to reach audiences with a liberal message they don't reach.

- I read an AP story talking about Democratic politicians saying they are losing a venue they received a sympathetic ear in as the Right got from Rush and Sean.

But only I thought of that, huh? It's only when non-liberals refer to politics it's political. Sure. Though I wrote this earlier and I was wrong on the part that it would be downplayed. This is actually a case where going Left didn't save him.

And BTW, I'm not happy about that. I disliked him a lot and thought it was a stupid comment, but I did not like him being fired over it and I think the reaction and firings were absurd. I listen to Air America because I want to hear different views. Freedom means hearing things you disagree with and allowing things you disagree with to be said. It scares me far more to not hear things I disagree with then to hear them.

Even dumber then his comment was the Rutgers coach saying "Now the heeling process can begin." :roll:

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:02 am

Even dumber then his comment was the Rutgers coach saying "Now the heeling process can begin."

Even dumber than spelling than "then" or heal "heel"?

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:49 am

ATV wrote:
Even dumber then his comment was the Rutgers coach saying "Now the heeling process can begin."

Even dumber than spelling than "then" or heal "heel"?

Look, I've asked you repeatedly to obey the rules... you just appear to think that you can do whatever you like here... you can't. There's nothing in your post that ISN'T directed at a poster - something we don't allow outside of smack and something that you have been amply warned about.

Since you obviously don't respect the house and don't feel any need to heed the warnings that you've been given, I see no reason to allow you to continue posting. We'll start with a one month suspension, and at the end of that time, you can send an email asking to be re-instated. The staff will review the re-instatement at that time.

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:27 pm

Our rules categorically state that profanity is not to be used ANYWHERE but smack...There won't be any more warnings

And the Dems are running on this ** policy - KazooSkinsFan

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=10

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:36 pm

ATV wrote:
Our rules categorically state that profanity is not to be used ANYWHERE but smack...There won't be any more warnings

And the Dems are running on this ** policy - KazooSkinsFan

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=10

OK, pretty mild, but I edited it

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:44 pm

ATV wrote:
Our rules categorically state that profanity is not to be used ANYWHERE but smack...There won't be any more warnings

And the Dems are running on this ** policy - KazooSkinsFan

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=10

Oh... the 'he did it too' defense. :roll:

Nobody likes a rat.

Yeah so? What business is that of yours? The suspension isn't for doing something once... it's for repeatedly breaking rules... swearing... attacking posters outside of smack...

You were amply warned beforehand... you still seem to think you're above the rules... I just wanted to give you a chance to read the post so you knew what was up, and now that you have, your account will be suspended for a month.

ATV · Post by **ATV** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:48 pm

Oh... the 'he did it too' defense.

Yes, otherwise known as the Let's Not Be Hypocritical defense. I thought the warning was for both of us (only one of us has since used profanity in the Lounge).