New Commish deals out punishments for Pacman and Henry....

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:14 pm

I just heard on Sirius radio that Pacman got 1 year and Chris Henry got 8 games!

all right Goodell - well done!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:07 pm

I split this topic since it involved Henry also. I"m sure that this will be a hot topic.

Thanks SkinsJock for adhering to the rules. I apologize if my movement of your post/thread confuses you at all. There's a fine line at times.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2832015

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:21 pm

Wow. If this doesn't get players' attention, I don't know what the hell will!!!

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:43 pm

Pacman will now have more time to watch the storm clouds.

gibbs4president · Post by **gibbs4president** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:46 pm

Might wanna hold onto that money now instead of making it rain so often...

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:51 pm

gibbs4president wrote:Might wanna hold onto that money now instead of making it rain so often...

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:08 pm

It's about time someone laid the smack down on the players that are trying to give the NFL a bad reputation.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:19 pm

A WHOLE YEAR!!!! A WHOLE FREAKIN YEAR!!!!!! :shock:

I was thinking four games..........maybe some fines on top of that! But a whole year!?!??! AND ITS WITHOUT PAY!!!!! DAYUM!!!

I have to think Pacman is very surprised at this! Just because, I'm sure people have looked the other way his whole life just because he could play football. Its about time someone held him accountable! Hopefully, he'll wake up after this!

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:21 pm

That's awesome, Good job Goodell.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:07 pm

Godell is setting a very good precedent amongst the NFL players. There hasn't been any dropoff in performance from the old commishener to the new.

Seeing a new NFL player getting arrested every other day is getting real old and hopefully this will put a stop or at least a dent to it.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:27 pm

Ok. I have a different opinion on this. I am not a Pacman fan , however I think that this punishment is going a little overboard. First, this new policy has not even been approved yet, secondly he hasn't even been convicted yet, and last I think its dumb that there going to allow something that Pacman did a year or two years ago to decide his punishment. If he was going to receive punishment for something that happened a year or two years ago then he should have been punished then not now

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:32 pm

I still think there's a credibility gap. It's not handing out stern punishments so much as consistency, which hasn't been there. I'm not saying there won't be going forward with the new commissioner, I'm just saying until there is it's not going to really send a message.

I think the next time will be more important than this one.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:43 pm

Well, guys I was wrong. The new policy has been aprroved and here is the link.

NFL strengthens personal conduct policy

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10119182

(April 10, 2007) -- The NFL announced changes to its long-standing personal conduct policy and programs for players, coaches, and other team and league employees.

The modifications focus on expanded educational and support programs in addition to increased levels of discipline for violations of the policy, Commissioner Roger Goodell said.

"It is important that the NFL be represented consistently by outstanding people as well as great football players, coaches, and staff," Commissioner Goodell said. "We hold ourselves to higher standards of responsible conduct because of what it means to be part of the National Football League. We have long had policies and programs designed to encourage responsible behavior, and this policy is a further step in ensuring that everyone who is part of the NFL meets that standard. We will continue to review the policy and modify it as warranted."

Added NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw: "The NFL Players Association and the Player Advisory Council have been discussing this issue for several months. We believe that these are steps that the commissioner needs to take and we support the policy. It is important that players in violation of the policy will have the opportunity and the support to change their conduct and earn their way back."

Education
The annual rookie symposium of all drafted players will be expanded to include mandatory year-round rookie orientation by all clubs that will reinforce the information presented at the June symposium.
An expanded annual life-skills program for all players and clubs will be mandatory.
There will be mandatory briefings each year for all players and clubs given by local law enforcement representatives. These briefings will cover laws pertaining to possession of guns, drinking and driving, domestic disputes and other matters, including gang-related activities in the community that could be of significance to players, coaches, and other club-related personnel.
Every club will be required to implement a program for employees to enhance compliance with laws relating to drinking and driving.
Counseling and treatment programs for all club and league employees that violate the policy will be expanded.

Discipline
The standard of socially responsible conduct for NFL employees will be higher. Club and league employees will be held to a higher standard than players. Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL will be subject to discipline, even if not criminal in nature.
Discipline for individuals that violate the policy will include larger fines and longer suspensions.
Repeat violations of the personal conduct policy will be dealt with aggressively, including discipline for repeat offenders even when the conduct itself has not yet resulted in a conviction of a crime.
Individuals suspended under the policy must earn their way back to active status by fully complying with professional counseling and treatment that will include evaluation on a regular basis.
Clubs will be subject to discipline in cases involving violations of the Personal Conduct Policy by club employees. In determining potential club discipline going forward, the commissioner will consider all relevant factors, including the history of conduct-related violations by that club's employees and the extent to which the club's support programs are consistent with best practices as identified and shared with the clubs. Recommended best practices include having a full-time club player development director and a full-time club security director.

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:58 pm

jeremyroyce wrote:Ok. I have a different opinion on this. I am not a Pacman fan , however I think that this punishment is going a little overboard. First, this new policy has not even been approved yet, secondly he hasn't even been convicted yet, and last I think its dumb that there going to allow something that Pacman did a year or two years ago to decide his punishment. If he was going to receive punishment for something that happened a year or two years ago then he should have been punished then not now

The dude has been arrested 9 times, 9 TIMES.

He should be kicked out of the league for god's sake.

9 Times, are you kidding me.

Like Goodell said, playing in the NFL is a privelege not a right and clearly Pacman has abused that privelege.

Think of it this way, if Pacman worked at McDonalds, he would have been fired after his 3rd arrest.

Cats get nine lives, football players don't.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:17 pm

air_hog wrote:
jeremyroyce wrote:Ok. I have a different opinion on this. I am not a Pacman fan , however I think that this punishment is going a little overboard. First, this new policy has not even been approved yet, secondly he hasn't even been convicted yet, and last I think its dumb that there going to allow something that Pacman did a year or two years ago to decide his punishment. If he was going to receive punishment for something that happened a year or two years ago then he should have been punished then not now

The dude has been arrested 9 times, 9 TIMES.

He should be kicked out of the league for god's sake.

9 Times, are you kidding me.

Like Goodell said, playing in the NFL is a privelege not a right and clearly Pacman has abused that privelege.

Think of it this way, if Pacman worked at McDonalds, he would have been fired after his 3rd arrest.

Cats get nine lives, football players don't.

Can you please provide a link of all 9 arrests? From what I understand he had just been questioned by the police a few times and also the incident thats going on right now . With the ladies at that Bar where he threw $80,000

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:33 pm

People can say what they want about Sean but at least he's not making it rain at the strip clubs. :lol:

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:19 pm

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/titans/2007-02-21-jones-shooting_x.htm[/quote]

Jones made a threat against the guards in the club. After they were kicked out, one of his homies returned, shooting up the guards.

Security guard Aaron Cudworth, a mixed-martial artist with professional fighting experience, intervened and scuffled with Jones and members of his entourage, he said.

Jones then threatened to kill the guard, Susnar said.

Order was eventually restored and everyone moved outside before the gunman opened fire toward the front door of the club, hitting Cudworth, security guard Tom Urbanski and a female customer, he said.

"He goes out, retrieves a gun, then shoots two security guards, pretty much making good on the threat made by Pacman Jones," Susnar said.

Cudworth, who was shot in the chest and arm, was released from University Medical Center on Tuesday. Urbanski, 43, remained at the hospital in critical condition. He was expected to live, but a bullet severed his spine and paralyzed him below the waist, his father told the paper.

"He's going to be paralyzed for life, and what did he do?" Don Urbanski said.

This does not include his assault of one of the dancers.

Does anyone here doubt that anyone in any profession would ever work again in their current jobs if we pulled the same adolescent gangsta crap?
This thug should never be permitted to touch an NFL player with his filthy hands ever again.

This "punishment" is just an inconvenience to this jerk.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:03 am

Where is gay4pacman?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:07 am

And didn't he hit one of the strippers and bite a security guard? What a manly thing to do. Clearly this guy is the lining of scum in the bucket after you wash your rims.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:17 pm

I still don't agree with the punishment. Do you guys remember Albert Haynesworth stompping on the head of Andre Guorde? He only got like 4 games for trying to hurt someone on purpose after the play was over!!!! Only 4 games? Whats up with that? The guy could have been killed. And only 4 games? I don't get it.

gibbs4president · Post by **gibbs4president** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:21 pm

jeremyroyce wrote:I still don't agree with the punishment. Do you guys remember Albert Haynesworth stompping on the head of Andre Guorde? He only got like 4 games for trying to hurt someone on purpose after the play was over!!!! Only 4 games? Whats up with that? The guy could have been killed. And only 4 games? I don't get it.

That was also a 1-time thing. Pacman Jones and Chris Henry have routinely been involved with the law and have refused to make changes in their lifestyle. If these large suspensions don't change that now, then soon they'll both be out of the league.

gus · Post by **gus** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:22 pm

Unless you work for a drug cartel, on any other job in the world you would have been fired in the 1st offense.

Now it hurts in his pocket, so maybe he'll understand, but I really don't think so. I bet pacman played his last down already.

Gus

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:39 pm

gibbs4president wrote:
jeremyroyce wrote:I still don't agree with the punishment. Do you guys remember Albert Haynesworth stompping on the head of Andre Guorde? He only got like 4 games for trying to hurt someone on purpose after the play was over!!!! Only 4 games? Whats up with that? The guy could have been killed. And only 4 games? I don't get it.

That was also a 1-time thing. Pacman Jones and Chris Henry have routinely been involved with the law and have refused to make changes in their lifestyle. If these large suspensions don't change that now, then soon they'll both be out of the league.

So, then what would have happened if this one time thing resulted into a death? You can't say well its a one time thing lets let it slide. No what he did was on purpose and intended to inflict harm on another person. I'm sorry but I still think that the suspension was too much. I think that Pacman should get some punishment but not to this degree.

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:44 pm

Somebody better put a leash on Smoot, can't afford to lose more CB's.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:06 pm

If the union puts up any kind of defense whatsoever this should get thrown out or at least reduced. The suspensions are completely ex post facto. The events leading to the suspension all occurred before the new personal conduct policy was instated. That seems to me to be very unconstitutional, as any new bills or laws can't be enforced ex post facto.